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Post by For_volley06 on Feb 9, 2024 13:15:47 GMT -5
I think she is a perfect fit for Michigan State. The B1G is a tough league obviously, being a great coach is one thing, having the AD and school supporting the program and getting the players is also another thing. Leah has proven she can do more with less. What she did at Illinois State was amazing. How she finished with what she started with at MSU over the past two season has been tremendous. People want to play for her. I would rank her in the top 6-7 coaches easily. Really, “top 6-7, easily”? Based on what? I don’t see Johnson or the current composition of her roster as being even near the top ten in the B1G. She’s located in a talent rich state, but can’t sign any of the best players. She’s really gonna have to up her game to keep up with the teams currently in the conference, and those about to enter. Two years in an she has 13-27 conference record and the nonConference scheduling is abysmal. She’s clearly a good coach-just based on what she did at Illinois State-but in this conference, the coaches are all better than just “good”, so she is in much deeper water than she was at Illinois State and I am not sure the volleyball infrastructure at MSU will attract the players she needs to be much better than they are now. I’ve listened to her talk and talked to people on the staff, and I’m just not sure that they have or what is being done is good enough to make the gains that have to be made to be competitive … but hey, maybe I’m wrong and they’ll win the conference next fall. Sorry 🏐 Just a rough list of the top coaches in the B1G… 1) Cook 2) Sheffield 3) Shondell 4) Flynn Oldenburg 5) Ulmer 6) Tamas 7) Cook 8) Schumacher-Cawley 9) Keller 10) Reft Curious as to what Alfie Reft has done for you to put him as high as #10, for head coaches? |
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Feb 9, 2024 14:23:14 GMT -5
Really, “top 6-7, easily”? Based on what? I don’t see Johnson or the current composition of her roster as being even near the top ten in the B1G. She’s located in a talent rich state, but can’t sign any of the best players. She’s really gonna have to up her game to keep up with the teams currently in the conference, and those about to enter. Two years in an she has 13-27 conference record and the nonConference scheduling is abysmal. She’s clearly a good coach-just based on what she did at Illinois State-but in this conference, the coaches are all better than just “good”, so she is in much deeper water than she was at Illinois State and I am not sure the volleyball infrastructure at MSU will attract the players she needs to be much better than they are now. I’ve listened to her talk and talked to people on the staff, and I’m just not sure that they have or what is being done is good enough to make the gains that have to be made to be competitive … but hey, maybe I’m wrong and they’ll win the conference next fall. Sorry 🏐 Just a rough list of the top coaches in the B1G… 1) Cook 2) Sheffield 3) Shondell 4) Flynn Oldenburg 5) Ulmer 6) Tamas 7) Cook 8) Schumacher-Cawley 9) Keller 10) Reft Curious as to what Alfie Reft has done for you to put him as high as #10, for head coaches? Or Tamas, Keller for that matter being at 6 and 9 respectively is laughable. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2024 18:40:56 GMT -5
Silly list. Never going to agree.
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 9, 2024 18:50:16 GMT -5
I think she is a perfect fit for Michigan State. The B1G is a tough league obviously, being a great coach is one thing, having the AD and school supporting the program and getting the players is also another thing. Leah has proven she can do more with less. What she did at Illinois State was amazing. How she finished with what she started with at MSU over the past two season has been tremendous. People want to play for her. I would rank her in the top 6-7 coaches easily. Really, “top 6-7, easily”? Based on what? I don’t see Johnson or the current composition of her roster as being even near the top ten in the B1G. She’s located in a talent rich state, but can’t sign any of the best players. She’s really gonna have to up her game to keep up with the teams currently in the conference, and those about to enter. Two years in an she has 13-27 conference record and the nonConference scheduling is abysmal. She’s clearly a good coach-just based on what she did at Illinois State-but in this conference, the coaches are all better than just “good”, so she is in much deeper water than she was at Illinois State and I am not sure the volleyball infrastructure at MSU will attract the players she needs to be much better than they are now. I’ve listened to her talk and talked to people on the staff, and I’m just not sure that they have or what is being done is good enough to make the gains that have to be made to be competitive … but hey, maybe I’m wrong and they’ll win the conference next fall. Sorry 🏐 Just a rough list of the top coaches in the B1G… 1) Cook 2) Sheffield 3) Shondell 4) Flynn Oldenburg 5) Ulmer 6) Tamas 7) Cook 8) Schumacher-Cawley 9) Keller 10) Reft  In all seriousness, I think when it comes to "top coaches" there should be a list of best recruiters and best coaches, very different list, IMO. For example, among the best recruiters - I'd put Sheffield and Keller near the top....but as for coaching...meh. When I think of a "good coach", I think of someone who develops players into better versions of themselves both on the court and off the court, develops good strategies with the team that they have against any given opponent and helps the team execute those strategies, and develops an overall program where the recruited players enjoy and want to stay at for the duration of their undergrad career. Being able to convince [insert any given athlete] to play for a program doesn't make someone a good "coach", it makes them a good sales person.... but that is just me. |
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Post by Kearney Kingston on Feb 9, 2024 22:41:21 GMT -5
I think she is a perfect fit for Michigan State. The B1G is a tough league obviously, being a great coach is one thing, having the AD and school supporting the program and getting the players is also another thing. Leah has proven she can do more with less. What she did at Illinois State was amazing. How she finished with what she started with at MSU over the past two season has been tremendous. People want to play for her. I would rank her in the top 6-7 coaches easily. Really, “top 6-7, easily”? Based on what? I don’t see Johnson or the current composition of her roster as being even near the top ten in the B1G. She’s located in a talent rich state, but can’t sign any of the best players. She’s really gonna have to up her game to keep up with the teams currently in the conference, and those about to enter. Two years in an she has 13-27 conference record and the nonConference scheduling is abysmal. She’s clearly a good coach-just based on what she did at Illinois State-but in this conference, the coaches are all better than just “good”, so she is in much deeper water than she was at Illinois State and I am not sure the volleyball infrastructure at MSU will attract the players she needs to be much better than they are now. I’ve listened to her talk and talked to people on the staff, and I’m just not sure that they have or what is being done is good enough to make the gains that have to be made to be competitive … but hey, maybe I’m wrong and they’ll win the conference next fall. Sorry 🏐 Just a rough list of the top coaches in the B1G… 1) Cook 2) Sheffield 3) Shondell 4) Flynn Oldenburg 5) Ulmer 6) Tamas 7) Cook 8) Schumacher-Cawley 9) Keller 10) Reft When was the last time a bottom 4 or 5 team ever battled into the upper 4 or 5. Its nearly impossible and just got doubly tough with four great programs coming into the league. |
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Post by For_volley06 on Feb 13, 2024 9:53:49 GMT -5
When was the last time a bottom 4 or 5 team ever battled into the upper 4 or 5. Its nearly impossible and just got doubly tough with four great programs coming into the league. I think there will be more leveling out of talent over the next few years providing opportunity for some bottom teams to make a move. Yes, NIL/Collective spend will draw the best girls to the heaviest spending programs, but this part of the game seems like it will be changing and more regulated in the next few years. Covid year players and the ability to stick around a program for so long, are over. The quality of club volleyball has grown drastically over the last few years all over the country, and will continue. Girls are up to speed and coming in at a skill level where they can impact more programs, in their first year. Beach volleyball has pulled so many talented girls from the west coast schools over the years. As the schools in the middle of the country adopt and invest in beach programs, it will have the same effect. Then again, I always tend to root for the underdogs  |
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Post by outofrotation on Feb 13, 2024 11:30:30 GMT -5
Really, “top 6-7, easily”? Based on what? I don’t see Johnson or the current composition of her roster as being even near the top ten in the B1G. She’s located in a talent rich state, but can’t sign any of the best players. She’s really gonna have to up her game to keep up with the teams currently in the conference, and those about to enter. Two years in an she has 13-27 conference record and the nonConference scheduling is abysmal. She’s clearly a good coach-just based on what she did at Illinois State-but in this conference, the coaches are all better than just “good”, so she is in much deeper water than she was at Illinois State and I am not sure the volleyball infrastructure at MSU will attract the players she needs to be much better than they are now. I’ve listened to her talk and talked to people on the staff, and I’m just not sure that they have or what is being done is good enough to make the gains that have to be made to be competitive … but hey, maybe I’m wrong and they’ll win the conference next fall. Sorry 🏐 Just a rough list of the top coaches in the B1G… 1) Cook 2) Sheffield 3) Shondell 4) Flynn Oldenburg 5) Ulmer 6) Tamas 7) Cook 8) Schumacher-Cawley 9) Keller 10) Reft When was the last time a bottom 4 or 5 team ever battled into the upper 4 or 5. Its nearly impossible and just got doubly tough with four great programs coming into the league. Missouri sure seems to be trending up that way…. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2024 11:41:28 GMT -5
When was the last time a bottom 4 or 5 team ever battled into the upper 4 or 5. Its nearly impossible and just got doubly tough with four great programs coming into the league. Missouri sure seems to be trending up that way…. this is dumb lmao. Missouri was a pretty consistently ranked team for a long time and has been to multiple sweet 16s in the last 10 years. Then they got bad bc Taylor |
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Post by photos1 on Feb 13, 2024 11:57:01 GMT -5
Curious as to what Alfie Reft has done for you to put him as high as #10, for head coaches? Or Tamas, Keller for that matter being at 6 and 9 respectively is laughable. Seriously? Tamas has been to a Final 4, a Sweet 16 after defeating defending champion Kentucky, at Kentucky among the three times he has taken Illinois to the tournament. I doubt Skinner thinks Tamas is laughable. Keller took over a dumpster fire of a program at a school of hostile clueless administrators. They have improved every year he has been the SC head coach and won matches in the tournament the past two years. I believe the most difficult part of Keller’s job is getting elite recruits to a great university campus that is sadly surrounded by a growing hellscape of a deteriorating city. I certainly wouldn’t advise the parent of a high school recruit to send their daughter to such a dangerous environment to play volleyball in front of sparse crowds-no matter how elite that head coach is. Keller is a very good volleyball coach, certainly better than a lightweight like Leah Johnson. Reft has been a successful assistant at Illinois, San Diego and with the USNT. After Reft returned to be the full time head coach last September after his USNT duties at the Olympic qualifier, the UCLA team improved dramatically (including road wins against tournament qualifiers Wash St and USC), but it’s difficult to play in the post season without a quality setter. Reft faces the same location and lack of a fan base as Keller does. Those are just my opinions, and I am surprised opinions continue to draw such triggered reactions. Those coaches that did not make my top ten list are for the most part quality coaches, but this is about winning in the deep waters of the B1G, and being say, 13-27 like Leah Johnson has been in conference the past two years is not acceptable in many places. Some of these coaches don’t have good enough rosters to be competitive in the B1G. I’m not sure a couple of these coaches understand the level of player required at this level. A coach like Aird certainly had a roster in 2023 that was good enough to be in the tournament-and win matches, but they didn’t, and they seemed to fade as the season went on; that has to be on the coach. Adam Hughes, the 7-13 man, is a great blocking coach… yep, he's a great blocking coach, but he’s the head coach of a losing program that has been 7-13 in conference for the past three years. Michigan, Rutgers and Iowa have head coaches that may have positions that exceed their abilities. Mean? Probably, but accurate. 🏐 |
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 13, 2024 12:13:40 GMT -5
Or Tamas, Keller for that matter being at 6 and 9 respectively is laughable. Seriously? Tamas has been to a Final 4, a Sweet 16 after defeating defending champion Kentucky, at Kentucky among the three times he has taken Illinois to the tournament. I doubt Skinner thinks Tamas is laughable. Keller took over a dumpster fire of a program at a school of hostile clueless administrators. They have improved every year he has been the SC head coach and won matches in the tournament the past two years. I believe the most difficult part of Keller’s job is getting elite recruits to a great university campus that is sadly surrounded by a growing hellscape of a deteriorating city. I certainly wouldn’t advise the parent of a high school recruit to send their daughter to such a dangerous environment to play volleyball in front of sparse crowds-no matter how elite that head coach is. Keller is a very good volleyball coach, certainly better than a lightweight like Leah Johnson. Reft has been a successful assistant at Illinois, San Diego and with the USNT. After Reft returned to be the full time head coach last September after his USNT duties at the Olympic qualifier, the UCLA team improved dramatically (including road wins against tournament qualifiers Wash St and USC), but it’s difficult to play in the post season without a quality setter. Reft faces the same location and lack of a fan base as Keller does. Those are just my opinions, and I am surprised opinions continue to draw such triggered reactions. Those coaches that did not make my top ten list are for the most part quality coaches, but this is about winning in the deep waters of the B1G, and being say, 13-27 like Leah Johnson has been in conference the past two years is not acceptable in many places. Some of these coaches don’t have good enough rosters to be competitive in the B1G. I’m not sure a couple of these coaches understand the level of player required at this level. A coach like Aird certainly had a roster in 2023 that was good enough to be in the tournament-and win matches, but they didn’t, and they seemed to fade as the season went on; that has to be on the coach. Adam Hughes, the 7-13 man, is a great blocking coach… yep, he's a great blocking coach, but he’s the head coach of a losing program that has been 7-13 in conference for the past three years. Michigan, Rutgers and Iowa have head coaches that may have positions that exceed their abilities. Mean? Probably, but accurate. 🏐 It's not triggered, it just that your opinions are consistently bad. |
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Post by sparty1855el on Feb 13, 2024 12:30:09 GMT -5
Her overall B1G record looks bad but I have a hard time faulting Johnson for a 4-16 first season when she arrived on campus to a roster of 6-7 players left over from Cathy George. Several of which were non P5 level players that have since left the program (Danziger - Jacksonville State, Stothoff - William & Mary, A. O'Gorman - LSU Beach, Olin - Central Michigan, M. O'Gorman - South Alabama). Cathy George deciding to retire in mid January rather than after the season also left them in a bad spot in terms of recruiting from the portal.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Feb 13, 2024 12:34:45 GMT -5
Or Tamas, Keller for that matter being at 6 and 9 respectively is laughable. Seriously? Tamas has been to a Final 4, a Sweet 16 after defeating defending champion Kentucky, at Kentucky among the three times he has taken Illinois to the tournament. I doubt Skinner thinks Tamas is laughable. Keller took over a dumpster fire of a program at a school of hostile clueless administrators. They have improved every year he has been the SC head coach and won matches in the tournament the past two years. I believe the most difficult part of Keller’s job is getting elite recruits to a great university campus that is sadly surrounded by a growing hellscape of a deteriorating city. I certainly wouldn’t advise the parent of a high school recruit to send their daughter to such a dangerous environment to play volleyball in front of sparse crowds-no matter how elite that head coach is. Keller is a very good volleyball coach, certainly better than a lightweight like Leah Johnson. Reft has been a successful assistant at Illinois, San Diego and with the USNT. After Reft returned to be the full time head coach last September after his USNT duties at the Olympic qualifier, the UCLA team improved dramatically (including road wins against tournament qualifiers Wash St and USC), but it’s difficult to play in the post season without a quality setter. Reft faces the same location and lack of a fan base as Keller does. Those are just my opinions, and I am surprised opinions continue to draw such triggered reactions. Those coaches that did not make my top ten list are for the most part quality coaches, but this is about winning in the deep waters of the B1G, and being say, 13-27 like Leah Johnson has been in conference the past two years is not acceptable in many places. Some of these coaches don’t have good enough rosters to be competitive in the B1G. I’m not sure a couple of these coaches understand the level of player required at this level. A coach like Aird certainly had a roster in 2023 that was good enough to be in the tournament-and win matches, but they didn’t, and they seemed to fade as the season went on; that has to be on the coach. Adam Hughes, the 7-13 man, is a great blocking coach… yep, he's a great blocking coach, but he’s the head coach of a losing program that has been 7-13 in conference for the past three years. Michigan, Rutgers and Iowa have head coaches that may have positions that exceed their abilities. Mean? Probably, but accurate. 🏐 Correct, Tamas and Reft with Hambly's former Illinois recruits *slow golf clap. How has that gone recently? Keller is a great dude, great recruiter. Has had some recent fanstastic talent from the portal and??? Nada.... What did Johnson inherit? I'll wait... |
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Post by photos1 on Feb 13, 2024 14:19:45 GMT -5
Seriously? Tamas has been to a Final 4, a Sweet 16 after defeating defending champion Kentucky, at Kentucky among the three times he has taken Illinois to the tournament. I doubt Skinner thinks Tamas is laughable. Keller took over a dumpster fire of a program at a school of hostile clueless administrators. They have improved every year he has been the SC head coach and won matches in the tournament the past two years. I believe the most difficult part of Keller’s job is getting elite recruits to a great university campus that is sadly surrounded by a growing hellscape of a deteriorating city. I certainly wouldn’t advise the parent of a high school recruit to send their daughter to such a dangerous environment to play volleyball in front of sparse crowds-no matter how elite that head coach is. Keller is a very good volleyball coach, certainly better than a lightweight like Leah Johnson. Reft has been a successful assistant at Illinois, San Diego and with the USNT. After Reft returned to be the full time head coach last September after his USNT duties at the Olympic qualifier, the UCLA team improved dramatically (including road wins against tournament qualifiers Wash St and USC), but it’s difficult to play in the post season without a quality setter. Reft faces the same location and lack of a fan base as Keller does. Those are just my opinions, and I am surprised opinions continue to draw such triggered reactions. Those coaches that did not make my top ten list are for the most part quality coaches, but this is about winning in the deep waters of the B1G, and being say, 13-27 like Leah Johnson has been in conference the past two years is not acceptable in many places. Some of these coaches don’t have good enough rosters to be competitive in the B1G. I’m not sure a couple of these coaches understand the level of player required at this level. A coach like Aird certainly had a roster in 2023 that was good enough to be in the tournament-and win matches, but they didn’t, and they seemed to fade as the season went on; that has to be on the coach. Adam Hughes, the 7-13 man, is a great blocking coach… yep, he's a great blocking coach, but he’s the head coach of a losing program that has been 7-13 in conference for the past three years. Michigan, Rutgers and Iowa have head coaches that may have positions that exceed their abilities. Mean? Probably, but accurate. 🏐 It's not triggered, it just that your opinions are consistently bad. As you post without citing one of those “opinions” that “are consistently bad”. Your intellectual ignorance is sad…. but I sense you feel good now… #sad4U but you know that… 🏐 |
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Post by outofrotation on Feb 13, 2024 14:20:26 GMT -5
Missouri sure seems to be trending up that way…. this is dumb lmao. Missouri was a pretty consistently ranked team for a long time and has been to multiple sweet 16s in the last 10 years. Then they got bad bc Taylor It’s dumb? Missouri was in bottom 5.. all the other context wasn’t giving. Also Michigan state wasn’t bottom 4/5 under George the whole time. They had made sweet 16s and made regional finals in 2017? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2024 14:44:47 GMT -5
That 2017 msu team is up there as one of my favorite teams ever that isn’t from Pitt or UK same with 22 San Diego
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