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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 16, 2023 14:02:40 GMT -5
Actually I don’t think I’m clever for recognizing it, I was surprised that you didn’t recognize it as sarcasm. You’re the one who’s made a big deal about it.
lmao pathetic Here, I'll help you and anyone else who doesn't recognize it  . It was sarcasm. He doesn't really think you're a grounded person, probably the direct opposite. Careful HOLIDAY! You start mentioning things like common sense and people like doughhead get their shorts in a bunch. (That was sarcasm) TIL... Dropping F bombs count as substantive discussion. Good to know. Ooops, I almost forgot, (That was sarcasm) I would answer that, but it would only incense some people. They probably should have tried house arrest and an ankle monitor. And in case the doughhead is lurking around... that was sarcasm.
btw that's how you actually provide receipts. You misread something HOLIDAY said and then went into defense mode about it. Nothing to get defensive about! Probably got heated because explaining to you why a rational person wouldn't interpret sarcasm there was like beating my head against a wall. Yeah, I don’t know how to provide receipts in that manner but I would love to know how for future references. Again, instead of simply stating that you missed it, you have to justify it by saying any rational person would’ve missed HOLIDAY’s sarcasm. I’m fairly rational (I can see other people’s perspectives and acknowledge when I don’t have a counter argument) but I also recognized that the statement was sarcastic. As for my jabs at you, well they were petty and meant to be annoying. I’m surprised you let them get to you. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 16, 2023 14:03:59 GMT -5
We’ll ignore your lack of an actual definition for a viable fetus, and focus on the fact you disagree with what merv and BP agreed on. What BP then said regarding those who disagreed with merv’s first sentence holds true. merv Is a viable fetus a human being? Is it a person? I think so. Is it alive? Also, yes. BP But many on this board do not seem to recognize your first sentence. Let me know if you have any questions. Try looking up the definitions. Then, shut the f#ck up with stupid assed posts. And there it is! 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by moody on Mar 16, 2023 14:13:39 GMT -5
Stop with the inflammatory crap. NO ONE thinks it’s a privilege to kill babies nor is anyone talking about killing babies. Want to reduce abortions? Reduce unwanted pregnancies. Well then stop fighting so hard to make sure it continues to happen. It’s a simple as that baby killer. People are fighting for a woman’s right to choose. Do you support reducing unwanted pregnancies? |
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Post by moody on Mar 16, 2023 14:16:25 GMT -5
Try looking up the definitions. Then, shut the f#ck up with stupid assed posts. And there it is! 🤣🤣🤣 Look up the definitions and stop being a fool. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 16, 2023 14:17:25 GMT -5
Well then stop fighting so hard to make sure it continues to happen. It’s a simple as that baby killer. People are fighting for a woman’s right to choose. Do you support reducing unwanted pregnancies? People are fighting for the woman’s choice of killing her own baby. Let’s not doctor it up and put a pretty bow on it like you always try to do. |
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Post by moody on Mar 16, 2023 14:20:03 GMT -5
People are fighting for a woman’s right to choose. Do you support reducing unwanted pregnancies? People are fighting for the woman’s choice of killing her own baby. Let’s not doctor it up and put a pretty bow on it like you always try to do. You’re just making abortion a wedge issue with the inflammatory posts. You are ignoring my question. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 16, 2023 14:28:01 GMT -5
Look up the definitions and stop being a fool. You’ve been “streets behind” on this conversation all day!🤣 Last time…BP said there were some on OTN who disagreed with him and merv’s thought that a fetus is a living human being. Merv said “Like who?” YOU said “Where and when?” I said you (moody) and some others that agreed with you. I then referred to which thread it was an where to find it. Whether BP and merv are correct is not the point being discussed. The point being discussed is whether or not they agree and who disagrees with that. I REALLY hope that helps. I REALLY doubt it will. |
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Post by moody on Mar 16, 2023 14:30:30 GMT -5
Look up the definitions and stop being a fool. You’ve been “streets behind” on this conversation all day!🤣 Last time…BP said there were some on OTN who disagreed with him and merv’s thought that a fetus is a living human being. Merv said “Like who?” YOU said “Where and when?” I said you (moody) and some others that agreed with you. I then referred to which thread it was an where to find it. Whether BP and merv are correct is not the point being discussed. The point being discussed is whether or not they agree and who disagrees with that. I REALLY hope that helps. I REALLY doubt it will. There is a specific definition of a fetus. Look it up, wordsmith. |
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Post by donut on Mar 16, 2023 15:10:25 GMT -5
Again, instead of simply stating that you missed it, you have to justify it by saying any rational person would’ve missed HOLIDAY’s sarcasm. I’m fairly rational (I can see other people’s perspectives and acknowledge when I don’t have a counter argument) but I also recognized that the statement was sarcastic. Clearly not lol. They didn't. I found them sad and pathetic. Just pointing out that actually "you're the one who's made a big deal about it" lol |
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Post by oldnewbie on Mar 16, 2023 18:47:59 GMT -5
A fetus which can't live outside the womb isn't a person and isn't really alive. I haven't seen anyone in this conversation (or others) claim a viable fetus isn't alive or isn't a person. Perhaps you can point me to where someone said that. That would be oldnewbie - the one I have been going back and forth with on this for the last several days. oldnewbie believes that Jewish Law is the definitive statement on when life begins - which is only after birth (first breath). That would exclude the viable fetus as either a person, human, or any form of 'life'. (page 10 for reference). So much wrong in such a short post. What are you doing? I never said "Jewish Law is the definitive statement on when life begins", and it is certainly not my belief system. What I did say is that it is a legal tradition thousands of years old that is counter to your beliefs, and asked why you feel your beliefs took precedence. It looks to me like you have wildly mischaracterized what Jewish law says, but I am not Jewish, don't know enough about it and certainly have never held that up as my belief system, so I'm not in position to explain or defend it. I did say that I liked the interpretation, and for a centuries old tradition I find it pretty well reasoned and that they got a lot right. Then you go and say that I believe "Jewish Law is the definitive statement on when life begins". Where do you get off making %*$# up like that? What I did ask is where you felt it was wrong and where you took issue with it. You avoided doing that. You kept repeating that none of your views are based on religion. For the sake of argument, lets suspend all disbelief and assume that you studied the history of this issue from all sides, and through sheer logic arrived at the same belief system that arose out of the Evangelical movement in the 1970s for some less than upstanding motives. If you want to have an honest discussion on human rights, lets get to the root of what we are talking about before you start making stuff up. Here is a good place to start: Universal Declaration of Human RightsThen you will have a field day with this: UN Human Rights Committee Asserts that Access to Abortion and Prevention of Maternal Mortality are Human Rights |
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 16, 2023 19:28:18 GMT -5
That would be oldnewbie - the one I have been going back and forth with on this for the last several days. oldnewbie believes that Jewish Law is the definitive statement on when life begins - which is only after birth (first breath). That would exclude the viable fetus as either a person, human, or any form of 'life'. (page 10 for reference). So much wrong in such a short post. What are you doing? I never said "Jewish Law is the definitive statement on when life begins", and it is certainly not my belief system. What I did say is that it is a legal tradition thousands of years old that is counter to your beliefs, and asked why you feel your beliefs took precedence. It looks to me like you have wildly mischaracterized what Jewish law says, but I am not Jewish, don't know enough about it and certainly have never held that up as my belief system, so I'm not in position to explain or defend it. I did say that I liked the interpretation, and for a centuries old tradition I find it pretty well reasoned and that they got a lot right. Then you go and say that I believe "Jewish Law is the definitive statement on when life begins". Where do you get off making %*$# up like that? What I did ask is where you felt it was wrong and where you took issue with it. You avoided doing that. You kept repeating that none of your views are based on religion. For the sake of argument, lets suspend all disbelief and assume that you studied the history of this issue from all sides, and through sheer logic arrived at the same belief system that arose out of the Evangelical movement in the 1970s for some less than upstanding motives. If you want to have an honest discussion on human rights, lets get to the root of what we are talking about before you start making stuff up. Here is a good place to start: Universal Declaration of Human RightsThen you will have a field day with this: UN Human Rights Committee Asserts that Access to Abortion and Prevention of Maternal Mortality are Human RightsThat is fine. We aren't getting anywhere and you really aren't interested in engaging. Time to move on. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Mar 16, 2023 19:34:22 GMT -5
So much wrong in such a short post. What are you doing? I never said "Jewish Law is the definitive statement on when life begins", and it is certainly not my belief system. What I did say is that it is a legal tradition thousands of years old that is counter to your beliefs, and asked why you feel your beliefs took precedence. It looks to me like you have wildly mischaracterized what Jewish law says, but I am not Jewish, don't know enough about it and certainly have never held that up as my belief system, so I'm not in position to explain or defend it. I did say that I liked the interpretation, and for a centuries old tradition I find it pretty well reasoned and that they got a lot right. Then you go and say that I believe "Jewish Law is the definitive statement on when life begins". Where do you get off making %*$# up like that? What I did ask is where you felt it was wrong and where you took issue with it. You avoided doing that. You kept repeating that none of your views are based on religion. For the sake of argument, lets suspend all disbelief and assume that you studied the history of this issue from all sides, and through sheer logic arrived at the same belief system that arose out of the Evangelical movement in the 1970s for some less than upstanding motives. If you want to have an honest discussion on human rights, lets get to the root of what we are talking about before you start making stuff up. Here is a good place to start: Universal Declaration of Human RightsThen you will have a field day with this: UN Human Rights Committee Asserts that Access to Abortion and Prevention of Maternal Mortality are Human RightsThat is fine. We aren't getting anywhere and you really aren't interested in engaging. Time to move on. You didn't respond to anything in the first place, then lied about what I said, and now you say I am not engaged? Each time I challenged you at all, you went silent. You wouldn't consider how another belief compared to yours. Now you won't consider what human rights are and where they come from. I didn't expect you to run from a challenge faster than Holiday. |
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Post by donut on Mar 16, 2023 19:47:28 GMT -5
A fetus which can't live outside the womb isn't a person and isn't really alive. I haven't seen anyone in this conversation (or others) claim a viable fetus isn't alive or isn't a person. Perhaps you can point me to where someone said that. oldnewbie believes that Jewish Law is the definitive statement on when life begins He hasn't stated that at all. He's pointing out that you act as if your religious belief is the definitive statement on when life begins
There's no real justification for the severe abortion bans sweeping the country other than Christian (mostly Evangelical) beliefs
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 16, 2023 21:00:10 GMT -5
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Post by moody on Mar 16, 2023 21:09:01 GMT -5
you think this is good news for the GOP? It's not. |
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