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Post by volleyguy on Mar 18, 2023 22:31:48 GMT -5
You introduced the topic, make up all kinds of inconsistent arguments about it, accuse others of doing and saying things that aren't true, and then ask why anyone is debating the topic. You're completely looney tunes. There were no inconsistencies. I watched the game on YouTube. So it’s a little bit difficult to lie about what you actually see. If you wanna pretend that’s not what the game is then go ahead but you know that’s a bald faced lie. Why anyone would think it was a good idea to play a game so poisonous mentally is beyond me. The only consistent thing is that you think it’s bad. But your arguments about video games leading to violence, and other people’s actual statements, among other things were inconsistent or wrong. I know what the video game is, and I didn’t say anything about what it actually is. But as usual, you distract with your accusations about bald faced lies.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 18, 2023 22:39:39 GMT -5
GTA is fun! I've played all of them since the original on PlayStation and I have never shot a prostitute. They're great games! Great games that encourage people to do offensive sexual acts, violence, and mistreating women. Are you sure you’re a liberal? I'm entirely sure I'm not a liberal.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 19, 2023 2:36:14 GMT -5
Great games that encourage people to do offensive sexual acts, violence, and mistreating women. Are you sure you’re a liberal? I'm entirely sure I'm not a liberal. I am entirely sure that you are
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Post by longboards on Mar 19, 2023 6:13:22 GMT -5
I'm entirely sure I'm not a liberal. I am entirely sure that you are Because someone isn't 🦇 💩 crazy like you doesn't mean they're a democrat or liberal.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 19, 2023 7:39:19 GMT -5
I am entirely sure that you are Because someone isn't 🦇 💩 crazy like you doesn't mean they're a democrat or liberal. I’m afraid it does. Everything you people stand for is eventual destruction to the United States. You’re just too stupid to see it.
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Post by bobinmd on Mar 19, 2023 8:27:42 GMT -5
I am entirely sure that you are Because someone isn't 🦇 💩 crazy like you doesn't mean they're a democrat or liberal. Exactly.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 19, 2023 8:32:06 GMT -5
Because someone isn't 🦇 💩 crazy like you doesn't mean they're a democrat or liberal. Exactly. Good morning Bob. Notice despite constantly saying you’re going back over to the volleyball side you still find this side fascinating. I think you’re addicted.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 20, 2023 8:18:20 GMT -5
You keep inferring that I am interjecting my beliefs on others? I have stated that there are two competing 'rights'. The right of a women to control her own body and the right of a human life. I haven't said that one takes precedent over the other - but that killing a living human isn't a good thing. If saying that killing a human is not good and is just interjecting my own belief - then I would be guilty. But being opposed to killing another living human isn't just a Christian value - it is a basic human decency value. Either you believe that the unborn child is a living human at some point (viability, heartbeat) and that it is okay to kill that living human because the right to control one's body is more important. Or you don't believe that an unborn child is a living human (Jewish Law). I have been told here that no one believes that an unborn child is not a human (after viability). No idea what you think - you really don't want to engage. My opinion - if one thinks that the right of the women to control her body takes precedent over killing a living human - then that is an argument worth having (competing rights). This is not a discussion you are interested in engaging in - and frankly it isn't something where we are going to change minds. I think this is a tough discussion w/o any easy answers. Any opinion by definition is interjecting one's beliefs and values on another. To say that it is only one side that is interjecting their values - would be dishonest. To say that a women has the right to an abortion because the unborn child isn't a human life - then this is where I disagree. I believe that an unborn child is a human life at some point before they take their first breath outside the womb. I'm perfectly happy to discuss any of this, even though you keep saying I am not. I don't particularly appreciate you telling me what I do or don't think or you making up terms and arguments and assigning them to me. That is just building a strawman and iis a dishonest argument. When I refer to your religious belief I am referring to the fact that you have made no secret of the fact that you are a conservative Christian (absolutely nothing wrong with that) and that your starting point for this discussion just happens to be the current evangelical belief of when human life starts and what rights to attribute to a fetus when. It makes little difference whether you attribute your starting position to religion or not, that is still where your position is. Is my opinion on when human life starts the same as common Christian thought? Are you implying that only a Christian can believe that human life exists at the point of viability? I just don't understand your fascination with religion on this topic? I have stated that human life begins at some point before birth. Yet you continue to imply that this is just a Christian belief? I have stated that what Christians believe in terms of human life - is irrelevant to this discussion - but you continue to bring this up for some unknown obsession? I have stated that rights of an unborn human life vs. the rights of a women to have control over their body are unreconcilable rights with no easy solution that results in some harm to one side. Yet you continue to act like I aways take the side of the unborn child? No matter what side one comes down on - I don't understand how one doesn't have remorse over the alternative side. This is awful.
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Post by mervinswerved on Mar 20, 2023 9:02:46 GMT -5
I think it's just a little bit of a distraction to talk about life beginning at viability when what's actually happening is abortion is being banned long before viability.
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Post by donut on Mar 20, 2023 11:32:53 GMT -5
I'm perfectly happy to discuss any of this, even though you keep saying I am not. I don't particularly appreciate you telling me what I do or don't think or you making up terms and arguments and assigning them to me. That is just building a strawman and iis a dishonest argument. When I refer to your religious belief I am referring to the fact that you have made no secret of the fact that you are a conservative Christian (absolutely nothing wrong with that) and that your starting point for this discussion just happens to be the current evangelical belief of when human life starts and what rights to attribute to a fetus when. It makes little difference whether you attribute your starting position to religion or not, that is still where your position is. rights of an unborn human life
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Post by oldnewbie on Mar 20, 2023 13:31:33 GMT -5
I'm perfectly happy to discuss any of this, even though you keep saying I am not. I don't particularly appreciate you telling me what I do or don't think or you making up terms and arguments and assigning them to me. That is just building a strawman and iis a dishonest argument. When I refer to your religious belief I am referring to the fact that you have made no secret of the fact that you are a conservative Christian (absolutely nothing wrong with that) and that your starting point for this discussion just happens to be the current evangelical belief of when human life starts and what rights to attribute to a fetus when. It makes little difference whether you attribute your starting position to religion or not, that is still where your position is. Is my opinion on when human life starts the same as common Christian thought? Are you implying that only a Christian can believe that human life exists at the point of viability? I just don't understand your fascination with religion on this topic? I have stated that human life begins at some point before birth. Yet you continue to imply that this is just a Christian belief? I have stated that what Christians believe in terms of human life - is irrelevant to this discussion - but you continue to bring this up for some unknown obsession? I have stated that rights of an unborn human life vs. the rights of a women to have control over their body are unreconcilable rights with no easy solution that results in some harm to one side. Yet you continue to act like I aways take the side of the unborn child? No matter what side one comes down on - I don't understand how one doesn't have remorse over the alternative side. This is awful. You really want me to believe that you have such strong opinions about a subject you have thought so little about that you don't even know whether your opinion is largely the same as Evangelical Christian thought? I literally don't care about your religion, but I do care about where your views come from and how you articulate the basis for them. So far you have given no indication for the basis for your views and why they make sense over all other possible views. Did they just well up inside you magically, and you assume you are just inherently just better and smarter than everyone else so that you don't need to explain them or listen to or even consider other points of view? Are you an absolute pacifist such that you would never hurt another under any circumstances at any time? Do you ever think it is okay to fight back to stop an aggressor? To defend your home? Defend your family? To stop an evil like Hitler? Does defending yourself make you a blood-thirsty murderer? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume your answer is no. In that same manner, where do you get off saying things like "I don't understand how one doesn't have remorse over the alternative side"? Whoever said there is no remorse? Whoever said that it is not most likely the most painful and most difficult decision of a young woman's life? Now lets also consider that the simplistic views you have stated, with no nuance, no sense of history or origin or impact, have been used to oppress women and enslave them, both physically and economically, going back as far as you care to look. I've listed the UN Human Rights Commissions work on defining what human rights are and how they apply to women. Views such as you have expressed, when rigidly applied in law as many US states currently are, have been a major source of oppression of women throughout history. I invite you to challenge yourself and actually read some of the decades of work that has been put into their positions on this subject to better understand the issue and why they take the positions they do. You can disagree in the end, but at least be informed and know what you are advocating for. Consider: UN Human Rights: Women’s autonomy, equality and reproductive health Working Group on discrimination against women and girlsThe Working Group reminds readers of women’s human rights, which include the rights without discrimination to: equality, dignity, autonomy, information, bodily integrity, respect for private life, the highest attainable standard of health, including sexual and reproductive health, and freedom from torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. The right of a woman or girl to make autonomous decisions about her own body and reproductive functions is at the core of her basic rights to equality, privacy, and bodily integrity. Equality in reproductive health includes access, without discrimination, to affordable, quality contraception, including emergency contraception. The decision as to whether to continue a pregnancy or terminate it may shape a woman’s entire future personal life as well as family life. The decision has a crucial impact on women’s enjoyment of other human rights. The decision is therefore fundamentally and primarily the woman’s decision.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 20, 2023 13:34:38 GMT -5
rights of an unborn human life Yes it’s just icky isn’t it to talk about the rights of unborn children.
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Post by donut on Mar 20, 2023 13:36:06 GMT -5
Yes it’s just icky isn’t it to talk about the rights of unborn children. I don’t know why you respond to posts which are over your head.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 20, 2023 13:38:29 GMT -5
Yes it’s just icky isn’t it to talk about the rights of unborn children. I don’t know why you respond to posts which are over your head. L O L, we’re not making fun of blue penguins comment about unborn children? He’s just a horrible human being isn’t he?
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Post by donut on Mar 20, 2023 13:39:53 GMT -5
I don’t know why you respond to posts which are over your head. L O L, we’re not making fun of blue penguins comment about unborn children? He’s just a horrible human being isn’t he? The reason we're making fun of it is over your head. Requires thinking skills beyond "DEMOCRATS BAD! FOX NEWS GOOD!"
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