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Post by HOLIDAY on Mar 20, 2023 13:47:14 GMT -5
L O L, we’re not making fun of blue penguins comment about unborn children? He’s just a horrible human being isn’t he? The reason we're making fun of it is over your head. Requires thinking skills beyond "DEMOCRATS BAD! FOX NEWS GOOD!"
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 20, 2023 13:58:00 GMT -5
Consider: UN Human Rights: Women’s autonomy, equality and reproductive health Working Group on discrimination against women and girlsThe Working Group reminds readers of women’s human rights, which include the rights without discrimination to: equality, dignity, autonomy, information, bodily integrity, respect for private life, the highest attainable standard of health, including sexual and reproductive health, and freedom from torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. The right of a woman or girl to make autonomous decisions about her own body and reproductive functions is at the core of her basic rights to equality, privacy, and bodily integrity. Equality in reproductive health includes access, without discrimination, to affordable, quality contraception, including emergency contraception. The decision as to whether to continue a pregnancy or terminate it may shape a woman’s entire future personal life as well as family life. The decision has a crucial impact on women’s enjoyment of other human rights. The decision is therefore fundamentally and primarily the woman’s decision. I view the UN Human Rights view mostly a crock of dung - certainly not the definitive statement on human rights. Your last sentence - decision of an abortion is fundamentally the women's decision? Is this absolute. Does this include an abortion in the middle of being in labor? This would mean at any time during the 3rd trimester. |
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Post by cindra on Mar 20, 2023 14:17:16 GMT -5
Consider: UN Human Rights: Women’s autonomy, equality and reproductive health Working Group on discrimination against women and girlsThe Working Group reminds readers of women’s human rights, which include the rights without discrimination to: equality, dignity, autonomy, information, bodily integrity, respect for private life, the highest attainable standard of health, including sexual and reproductive health, and freedom from torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. The right of a woman or girl to make autonomous decisions about her own body and reproductive functions is at the core of her basic rights to equality, privacy, and bodily integrity. Equality in reproductive health includes access, without discrimination, to affordable, quality contraception, including emergency contraception. The decision as to whether to continue a pregnancy or terminate it may shape a woman’s entire future personal life as well as family life. The decision has a crucial impact on women’s enjoyment of other human rights. The decision is therefore fundamentally and primarily the woman’s decision. I view the UN Human Rights view mostly a crock of dung - certainly not the definitive statement on human rights. Does this include an abortion in the middle of being in labor? does this ever happen? |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 20, 2023 14:26:03 GMT -5
I view the UN Human Rights view mostly a crock of dung - certainly not the definitive statement on human rights. Does this include an abortion in the middle of being in labor? does this ever happen? Does that matter, if blue is trying to see what your established parameters are? |
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Post by donut on Mar 20, 2023 14:43:33 GMT -5
The reason we're making fun of it is over your head. Requires thinking skills beyond "DEMOCRATS BAD! FOX NEWS GOOD!"
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Post by donut on Mar 20, 2023 14:45:08 GMT -5
Does that matter, if blue is trying to see what your established parameters are? *~whataboutisms~*, especially ones that rely on ridiculous slippery slopes (classic conservative tactic), don't matter, you are correct |
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 20, 2023 16:07:31 GMT -5
I view the UN Human Rights view mostly a crock of dung - certainly not the definitive statement on human rights. Does this include an abortion in the middle of being in labor? does this ever happen? I guess I would like an acknowledgement that we are killing a human life. I can respect that one still believes that the women's right to her own body is the superior right (or more so if a 'under most circumstances'). |
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Post by oldnewbie on Mar 20, 2023 16:07:36 GMT -5
Consider: UN Human Rights: Women’s autonomy, equality and reproductive health Working Group on discrimination against women and girlsThe Working Group reminds readers of women’s human rights, which include the rights without discrimination to: equality, dignity, autonomy, information, bodily integrity, respect for private life, the highest attainable standard of health, including sexual and reproductive health, and freedom from torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. The right of a woman or girl to make autonomous decisions about her own body and reproductive functions is at the core of her basic rights to equality, privacy, and bodily integrity. Equality in reproductive health includes access, without discrimination, to affordable, quality contraception, including emergency contraception. The decision as to whether to continue a pregnancy or terminate it may shape a woman’s entire future personal life as well as family life. The decision has a crucial impact on women’s enjoyment of other human rights. The decision is therefore fundamentally and primarily the woman’s decision. I view the UN Human Rights view mostly a crock of dung - certainly not the definitive statement on human rights. Your last sentence - decision of an abortion is fundamentally the women's decision? Is this absolute. Does this include an abortion in the middle of being in labor? This would mean at any time during the 3rd trimester. You actually consider yourself the definitive view on human rights? You are unable to discuss the basis of your beliefs (just definitely not from you know where), so apparently you just divined them yourself? You take 50 years of work by a lot of very qualified and dedicated people, proclaim it "dung" and just handwave it away. You don't even feel any obligation to read the opinion and how and why it was reached. You just know. No need to read up on the horrors of women's health care around the world or the way women's health has been a key mechanism used to oppress and enslave women. That is very open-minded of you. I lived with a guy in college who was back from the Peace Corps in Africa, and was taking the classes he was missing for med school. He got into every school he applied to and went to the best med school in the US. He had professors who advised him not to go into women's health, because doctors from that school weren't "abortion doctors". He didn't listen. He dedicated himself to women's health because he was so impacted by what he saw in Africa. He got an up close view into what happens to women without access to proper reproductive healthcare and how they were manipulated, controlled, diminished and oppressed. Give me a realistic hypothetical and I will give you a real answer. As long as we are making silly %*$# up, then there was a medical condition during labor where the doctors had a binary choice to save the baby or save the mom. Second scenario, the baby has horns, cloven hooves and there is definitive proof that it was the spawn of Satan and Jesus has come back and told her, the doctors and her religious leader that she can not let it out into the world. In reality, the woman is more invested in that pregnancy than anybody. If she is not having major mental issues, then she is still in control of decision making. She should have the privacy to make decisions for herself without you or your governor sticking their noses in it. Whatever is going on in her situation, she knows intimately about it and you know nothing about it, so I'll take her call over yours every time. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Mar 20, 2023 16:13:21 GMT -5
Does that matter, if blue is trying to see what your established parameters are? Yes, I think it does matter. I asked Blue if he was a pacifist who revered life and would not ever harm or kill even to prevent evil. I said I assumed not, and Blue didn't answer. Is it valid to now use that to claim that Blue really is a blood thirsty murderer, that its just a matter of degree? |
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 20, 2023 16:16:24 GMT -5
I view the UN Human Rights view mostly a crock of dung - certainly not the definitive statement on human rights. Your last sentence - decision of an abortion is fundamentally the women's decision? Is this absolute. Does this include an abortion in the middle of being in labor? This would mean at any time during the 3rd trimester. In reality, the woman is more invested in that pregnancy than anybody. If she is not having major mental issues, then she is still in control of decision making. She should have the privacy to make decisions for herself without you or your governor sticking their noses in it. Whatever is going on in her situation, she knows intimately about it and you know nothing about it, so I'll take her call over yours every time. Does a parent have the right to kill their child? They know intimately what is best for their child, therefore the State has no role in protecting the life of the Child? Why would the state have no say/role in the life of a human - if they don't have a role in the life of all humans? |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 20, 2023 16:39:09 GMT -5
Lol, yes, you’re so important. That’s why I blue manages to make you all look like idiots in just a few sentences. But you need that confidence so you go with that. English, please. Really? You can't figure out typos? |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 20, 2023 16:42:17 GMT -5
Does that matter, if blue is trying to see what your established parameters are? *~whataboutisms~*, especially ones that rely on ridiculous slippery slopes (classic conservative tactic), don't matter, you are correct As "ridiculous" as a slippery slope may be, my question is always, "Is it possible?". Second question becomes, "If it is possible, is there a way to safeguard against that possibility?" Third question, "Do we need to safe guard against that possibility?" |
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 20, 2023 16:42:50 GMT -5
Really? You can't figure out typos? Dude, can you figure out holiday? If you can, please let us know. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 20, 2023 16:47:07 GMT -5
Really? You can't figure out typos? Dude, can you figure out holiday? If you can, please let us know. That was an easy one. I'm surprised donut couldn't figure it out, but then he also has problems recognizing some sarcasm on here. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Mar 20, 2023 16:48:19 GMT -5
In reality, the woman is more invested in that pregnancy than anybody. If she is not having major mental issues, then she is still in control of decision making. She should have the privacy to make decisions for herself without you or your governor sticking their noses in it. Whatever is going on in her situation, she knows intimately about it and you know nothing about it, so I'll take her call over yours every time. Does a parent have the right to kill their child? They know intimately what is best for their child, therefore the State has no role in protecting the life of the Child? Why would the state have no say/role in the life of a human - if they don't have a role in the life of all humans? That discussion goes back and forth constantly, as you well know, with a whole host of issues with people all over the spectrum claiming abuse where CPS should step in, or claiming that government is overstepping its bounds. You give me 10 examples one way, I'll give you 20 the other way. None of that has one iota to do with a woman's autonomy over her own body and her own healthcare. We can have this discussion forever. Can a parent kill their kid? Pretty cut and dried, right? Get mad, bash your kids head in. Not really any question. But it starts to get fuzzy pretty quickly: Woman with severe postpartum depression, abandoned by the father, feels nothing to live for and does the unthinkable Same situation, but they find the woman in a zombie state and the baby died from neglect. Father? Mother? Who do you charge for what? Father, working 18 hours a day, hasn't slept for weeks, mom is passed out, gone, working, whatever, and baby won't stop crying. Shakes the baby a little too hard, begging it to stop. You have no one to watch the kid and leave them in the car for "just a second", but it is hot and they die. Same thing, but you left the baby with an untrustworthy 16 year old so you could go to work or go shopping? Same thing, but you were doing drugs? You left a loaded gun where your kid could find it. You left alcohol available and your kid crashed the car and killed themselves? You didn't vaccinate your kid and they died from measles? Door is ajar and toddler opens it while you are asleep from exhaustion and gets hit by a car. Same, but falls off balcony. On, and on, and on, as fuzzy as you can make it. It's all a completely different scenario once the kid is not physically attached and intimately connected to the woman and affecting her health. |
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