|
|
Post by BearClause on May 15, 2023 16:55:16 GMT -5
Florida is looking at some serious problems now. Rumors about a boycott by Hispanic truck drivers. Also apparently where construction workers are refusing to work in Florida, where there's plenty of work elsewhere.
|
|
bluepenquin
Hall of Fame
4-Time VolleyTalk Poster of the Year (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016) All-VolleyTalk 2nd Team 2023
Posts: 13,255 
|
Post by bluepenquin on May 15, 2023 17:02:22 GMT -5
Florida is looking at some serious problems now. Rumors about a boycott by Hispanic truck drivers. Also apparently where construction workers are refusing to work in Florida, where there's plenty of work elsewhere. Upset that DeSantis signed a law making it illegal to illegally enter the country - as opposed to having a blind eye on illegal entry into the US. I suspect this will be wildly popular in Florida - and probably have majority support among Hispanics. |
|
|
|
Post by geddyleeridesagain on May 15, 2023 17:23:48 GMT -5
Florida is looking at some serious problems now. Rumors about a boycott by Hispanic truck drivers. Also apparently where construction workers are refusing to work in Florida, where there's plenty of work elsewhere. Upset that DeSantis signed a law making it illegal to illegally enter the country - as opposed to having a blind eye on illegal entry into the US. I suspect this will be wildly popular in Florida - and probably have majority support among Hispanics. Nah, this is going to backfire just as it did in Alabama a decade ago. Produce rotting in fields, construction projects struggling for labor, and so on. DeSantis has overreached again in another attempt to burnish his national rep. |
|
|
|
Post by BearClause on May 15, 2023 17:28:22 GMT -5
Florida is looking at some serious problems now. Rumors about a boycott by Hispanic truck drivers. Also apparently where construction workers are refusing to work in Florida, where there's plenty of work elsewhere. Upset that DeSantis signed a law making it illegal to illegally enter the country - as opposed to having a blind eye on illegal entry into the US. I suspect this will be wildly popular in Florida - and probably have majority support among Hispanics. I'm thinking Supremeacy Clause? Other states have made attempts to enforce separate laws on immigration that were struck down by federal courts. The reality is that they're going to have a pretty tough time with the agricultural and construction sector if employers have to strictly check for status. Industries are going to suffer. This has been the reality for decades where looking the other way was the only way for these industries to be able to have enough people. But Florida will probably get what they deserve. This is who they voted for, and elections have consequences. I suppose the best part will be when Trump won't be able to find enough employees to keep his businesses running while he takes a vacation at Club Fed. |
|
|
|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 15, 2023 22:52:48 GMT -5
One of the many reasons he is wildly popular. Good job Ron.
|
|
|
|
Post by volleyguy on May 15, 2023 22:55:47 GMT -5
One of the many reasons he is wildly popular. Good job Ron. Yes, wildly popular despite it being blatantly unconstitutional. Right up your alley. |
|
|
|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 15, 2023 23:15:01 GMT -5
One of the many reasons he is wildly popular. Good job Ron. Yes, wildly popular despite it being blatantly unconstitutional. Right up your alley. I’m glad you care about what is constitutional including the right to keep and bear arms. It’s adorable. |
|
|
|
Post by volleyguy on May 15, 2023 23:19:47 GMT -5
Yes, wildly popular despite it being blatantly unconstitutional. Right up your alley. I’m glad you care about what is constitutional including the right to keep and bear arms. It’s adorable. , being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. It's too bad that you didn't spend any of that time off you had trying to learn how to read. |
|
bluepenquin
Hall of Fame
4-Time VolleyTalk Poster of the Year (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016) All-VolleyTalk 2nd Team 2023
Posts: 13,255
|
Post by bluepenquin on May 16, 2023 7:04:34 GMT -5
Upset that DeSantis signed a law making it illegal to illegally enter the country - as opposed to having a blind eye on illegal entry into the US. I suspect this will be wildly popular in Florida - and probably have majority support among Hispanics. I'm thinking Supremeacy Clause? Other states have made attempts to enforce separate laws on immigration that were struck down by federal courts. The reality is that they're going to have a pretty tough time with the agricultural and construction sector if employers have to strictly check for status. Industries are going to suffer. This has been the reality for decades where looking the other way was the only way for these industries to be able to have enough people. But Florida will probably get what they deserve. This is who they voted for, and elections have consequences. I suppose the best part will be when Trump won't be able to find enough employees to keep his businesses running while he takes a vacation at Club Fed. This is one of the major issues where the 'new' MAGA Republicans differ from the more conservative establishment Republicans - Immigration policy. MAGA are 100% populists - even the name implies total populism (America first). MAGA populism sees Immigration (and no tariffs) as an attack on American worker. This has the appearance of putting US labor as a top priority. This is a dramatic shift from the Conservative Republicans (for a lack of better term) - who has always been seen as being pro-business. The Conservative Republican has typically taken a more conciliatory view on immigration and illegal immigration - as they provide an important part of the US Economy. And they don't see or side with labor on tariffs - but see free international trade as being a huge net good for the economy and consumers. Republicans were unanimous in their support of NAFTA - there is no way Republicans would support something like NAFTA today. This has been a fundamental change in the Republican party over the last 30 years. For me - I don't share MAGAs opinion on Immigration. But, I also don't see how the current situation is remotely sustainable or good. It would be nice if we could greatly expand legal immigration and work visas in this country while being able to stop the flood of illegal crossings. |
|
|
|
Post by mervinswerved on May 16, 2023 8:01:00 GMT -5
I'm thinking Supremeacy Clause? Other states have made attempts to enforce separate laws on immigration that were struck down by federal courts. The reality is that they're going to have a pretty tough time with the agricultural and construction sector if employers have to strictly check for status. Industries are going to suffer. This has been the reality for decades where looking the other way was the only way for these industries to be able to have enough people. But Florida will probably get what they deserve. This is who they voted for, and elections have consequences. I suppose the best part will be when Trump won't be able to find enough employees to keep his businesses running while he takes a vacation at Club Fed. This is one of the major issues where the 'new' MAGA Republicans differ from the more conservative establishment Republicans - Immigration policy. MAGA are 100% populists - even the name implies total populism (America first). MAGA populism sees Immigration (and no tariffs) as an attack on American worker. This has the appearance of putting US labor as a top priority. This is a dramatic shift from the Conservative Republicans (for a lack of better term) - who has always been seen as being pro-business. The Conservative Republican has typically taken a more conciliatory view on immigration and illegal immigration - as they provide an important part of the US Economy. And they don't see or side with labor on tariffs - but see free international trade as being a huge net good for the economy and consumers. Republicans were unanimous in their support of NAFTA - there is no way Republicans would support something like NAFTA today. This has been a fundamental change in the Republican party over the last 30 years. For me - I don't share MAGAs opinion on Immigration. But, I also don't see how the current situation is remotely sustainable or good. It would be nice if we could greatly expand legal immigration and work visas in this country while being able to stop the flood of illegal crossings. There isn't a single "non-MAGA" person in a position of power in the GOP outside of maybe Mitt Romney. The two leading candidates for their presidential nomination have identical platforms. |
|
|
|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 16, 2023 8:06:07 GMT -5
This is one of the major issues where the 'new' MAGA Republicans differ from the more conservative establishment Republicans - Immigration policy. MAGA are 100% populists - even the name implies total populism (America first). MAGA populism sees Immigration (and no tariffs) as an attack on American worker. This has the appearance of putting US labor as a top priority. This is a dramatic shift from the Conservative Republicans (for a lack of better term) - who has always been seen as being pro-business. The Conservative Republican has typically taken a more conciliatory view on immigration and illegal immigration - as they provide an important part of the US Economy. And they don't see or side with labor on tariffs - but see free international trade as being a huge net good for the economy and consumers. Republicans were unanimous in their support of NAFTA - there is no way Republicans would support something like NAFTA today. This has been a fundamental change in the Republican party over the last 30 years. For me - I don't share MAGAs opinion on Immigration. But, I also don't see how the current situation is remotely sustainable or good. It would be nice if we could greatly expand legal immigration and work visas in this country while being able to stop the flood of illegal crossings. There isn't a single "non-MAGA" person in a position of power in the GOP outside of maybe Mitt Romney. The two leading candidates for their presidential nomination have identical platforms. Mitt Romney? He’s one of the most despised people in the Republican Party. |
|
|
|
Post by mikegarrison on May 16, 2023 8:27:31 GMT -5
There isn't a single "non-MAGA" person in a position of power in the GOP outside of maybe Mitt Romney. The two leading candidates for their presidential nomination have identical platforms. Plenty of them, actually. Like, for instance, our beloved Senate Minority Leader. The thing is, they can mostly hold their positions of power, but they have real problems trying to get enough GOP voter support to avoid getting primaried if they try to move out of their established nests. |
|
bluepenquin
Hall of Fame
4-Time VolleyTalk Poster of the Year (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016) All-VolleyTalk 2nd Team 2023
Posts: 13,255
|
Post by bluepenquin on May 16, 2023 8:30:35 GMT -5
This is one of the major issues where the 'new' MAGA Republicans differ from the more conservative establishment Republicans - Immigration policy. MAGA are 100% populists - even the name implies total populism (America first). MAGA populism sees Immigration (and no tariffs) as an attack on American worker. This has the appearance of putting US labor as a top priority. This is a dramatic shift from the Conservative Republicans (for a lack of better term) - who has always been seen as being pro-business. The Conservative Republican has typically taken a more conciliatory view on immigration and illegal immigration - as they provide an important part of the US Economy. And they don't see or side with labor on tariffs - but see free international trade as being a huge net good for the economy and consumers. Republicans were unanimous in their support of NAFTA - there is no way Republicans would support something like NAFTA today. This has been a fundamental change in the Republican party over the last 30 years. For me - I don't share MAGAs opinion on Immigration. But, I also don't see how the current situation is remotely sustainable or good. It would be nice if we could greatly expand legal immigration and work visas in this country while being able to stop the flood of illegal crossings. There isn't a single "non-MAGA" person in a position of power in the GOP outside of maybe Mitt Romney. The two leading candidates for their presidential nomination have identical platforms. Depends on whether you believe there are GOP senators in a position of power? McConnell isn't MAGA. DeSantis is MAGA like Trump. But he doesn't carry the personal baggage of Trump, which would make him acceptable to the Never Trumpers and some in the party that will not vote for Trump. Nikki Haley and Tim Scott aren't MAGA - although they have to play to the base to some sense since MAGA controls the party. Doesn't matter - since they aren't MAGA, they cannot win a primary - they are VP potential. Pence really isn't MAGA - and also has no shot. Romney, Sununu, Hogan are clearly not MAGA and don't even pretend. Then there are a bunch of people - a majority of the senate - that are playing in the middle. They are Conservative Republicans, but have accepted much of the MAGA movement - McConnell, Rubio, Cruz, Cotton etc... The real dividing line in the party is foreign policy. The 'Conservative' Republican (McConnell/Haley/Pence) take on foreign policy is a complete deal breaker. Most of the Neocon Republicans cannot coexist with the MAGA movement and are leaving the party (unless they already left it). I know of some MAGA Republicans that are holding out on DeSantis based on his foreign policy positions - this is a very delicate balance for DeSantis to pull off. |
|
bluepenquin
Hall of Fame
4-Time VolleyTalk Poster of the Year (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016) All-VolleyTalk 2nd Team 2023
Posts: 13,255
|
Post by bluepenquin on May 16, 2023 8:32:27 GMT -5
There isn't a single "non-MAGA" person in a position of power in the GOP outside of maybe Mitt Romney. The two leading candidates for their presidential nomination have identical platforms. Plenty of them, actually. Like, for instance, our beloved Senate Minority Leader. The thing is, they can mostly hold their positions of power, but they have real problems trying to get enough GOP voter support to avoid getting primaried if they try to move out of their established nests. You may be surprised how disliked McConnell is among the MAGA people in the party. He is really held no higher than Romney among those people. |
|
|
|
Post by mikegarrison on May 16, 2023 8:34:03 GMT -5
Cotton isn't MAGA? You have a really tight definition of "MAGA", apparently.
Cruz and Rubio are spineless and will simply do or say anything to anyone, so while I don't think they are "MAGA" by nature, they are certainly happy to be "MAGA" on the campaign trail or when sucking up to someone like Trump.
|
|
