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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 24, 2023 6:36:58 GMT -5
Lol. You guys do you have a sense of humor. And the nitpicking begins. Meanwhile our commander in chief falls up stairs, shakes hands with ghosts, looks bewildered onstage, looks bewildered coming off stage, slurs words, tells a whole segment of the population that they don't culturally qualify if they don't vote for him, cracks jokes at a press conference regarding a mass shooting, and there's nothing to see here. Frickin hilarious. |
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Post by longboards on May 24, 2023 7:00:13 GMT -5
Lol. You guys do you have a sense of humor. And the nitpicking begins. Meanwhile our commander in chief falls up stairs, shakes hands with ghosts, looks bewildered onstage, looks bewildered coming off stage, slurs words, tells a whole segment of the population that they don't culturally qualify if they don't vote for him, cracks jokes at a press conference regarding a mass shooting, and there's nothing to see here. Frickin hilarious. I don't think many people are excited about Biden... If the GOP could put up a decent middle leaving candidate they'd run away with the election. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 24, 2023 7:25:08 GMT -5
And the nitpicking begins. Meanwhile our commander in chief falls up stairs, shakes hands with ghosts, looks bewildered onstage, looks bewildered coming off stage, slurs words, tells a whole segment of the population that they don't culturally qualify if they don't vote for him, cracks jokes at a press conference regarding a mass shooting, and there's nothing to see here. Frickin hilarious. I don't think many people are excited about Biden... If the GOP could put up a decent middle leaving candidate they'd run away with the election. With the apparent disarray that the GOP are in right now, I don't think the "Red Hats" of the party would support any candidate other than their guy. Don't know if enough of the general population would vote for a moderate GOP candidate. It's possible, I'm just saying that I don't know. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 24, 2023 7:30:20 GMT -5
I don't think many people are excited about Biden... If the GOP could put up a decent middle leaving candidate they'd run away with the election. With the apparent disarray that the GOP are in right now, I don't think the "Red Hats" of the party would support any candidate other than their guy. Don't know if enough of the general population would vote for a moderate GOP candidate. It's possible, I'm just saying that I don't know. here is the interesting thing about it. Donald Trump is not extreme right. If you look at his policies alone he’s actually quite moderate. I’m surprise he has so much support in the Republican Party given his opinion on the Ukraine war. I think most conservatives support that effort. He’s way more moderate on abortion then DeSantis is. But because he’s the big bad wolf with the red hat, people ignore his policies and go with the media’s opinion. |
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Post by bluepenquin on May 24, 2023 7:33:07 GMT -5
This guy just oozes charisma. And yet - he is the single candidate this year that is feared by the Democratic Party and Trump. |
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Post by mervinswerved on May 24, 2023 7:46:22 GMT -5
This guy just oozes charisma. And yet - he is the single candidate this year that is feared by the Democratic Party and Trump. If you say so. I'm not Trump or the Democratic party so I'll have to take your word for it. |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on May 24, 2023 9:03:38 GMT -5
This guy just oozes charisma. And yet - he is the single candidate this year that is feared by the Democratic Party and Trump. “Fear” might have been an appropriate term say, six months ago. I don’t think that’s necessarily true today. |
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Post by BearClause on May 24, 2023 9:15:17 GMT -5
And yet - he is the single candidate this year that is feared by the Democratic Party and Trump. “Fear” might have been an appropriate term say, six months ago. I don’t think that’s necessarily true today. There are a lot of people citing polls, but at this point they’re worthless. It hasn’t gotten to the point where effective attacks on DeSantis have happened in earnest. He’s more an idea on the national stage than a candidate who has really done anything. And if anything, Republican infighting over the primaries could lead to hurt feelings all around. |
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Post by volleyguy on May 24, 2023 9:16:11 GMT -5
This guy just oozes charisma. And yet - he is the single candidate this year that is feared by the Democratic Party and Trump. DeSantis from 3 months ago might have raised some fears, but I don’t think that’s nearly the case now. Trump’s not going anywhere. If DeSantis somehow manages to snag the nomination, that process will be brutal for him nevertheless, and he will need to try and coalesce the base while pivoting to a general election. I feel more glee than fear at that prospect. |
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Post by bluepenquin on May 24, 2023 9:42:05 GMT -5
And yet - he is the single candidate this year that is feared by the Democratic Party and Trump. DeSantis from 3 months ago might have raised some fears, but I don’t think that’s nearly the case now. Trump’s not going anywhere. If DeSantis somehow manages to snag the nomination, that process will be brutal for him nevertheless, and he will need to try and coalesce the base while pivoting to a general election. I feel more glee than fear at that prospect. Trump pretty much praises each new candidate in the Republican primary - but has total disdain for DeSantis. Trump has spent 5X more money attacking DeSantis then his PACs spent attacking Democrats in the 2022 election. There is little doubt who Trump fears among his Republican challengers. As for the Democrats - they sure do spend a ton of time obsessing over DeSantis. Someone like Newsom has spent a bunch of time doing DeSantis parodies and talking about Florida. The MSM obsession with misinformation over what is going on in Florida is crazy. |
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Post by cindra on May 24, 2023 9:59:37 GMT -5
DeSantis from 3 months ago might have raised some fears, but I don’t think that’s nearly the case now. Trump’s not going anywhere. If DeSantis somehow manages to snag the nomination, that process will be brutal for him nevertheless, and he will need to try and coalesce the base while pivoting to a general election. I feel more glee than fear at that prospect. Trump pretty much praises each new candidate in the Republican primary - but has total disdain for DeSantis. Trump has spent 5X more money attacking DeSantis then his PACs spent attacking Democrats in the 2022 election. There is little doubt who Trump fears among his Republican challengers. As for the Democrats - they sure do spend a ton of time obsessing over DeSantis. Someone like Newsom has spent a bunch of time doing DeSantis parodies and talking about Florida. The MSM obsession with misinformation over what is going on in Florida is crazy. They don't fear him as a candidate or a threat to Biden, they fear him because he's basically running Florida as a culture war test site |
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Post by volleyguy on May 24, 2023 10:02:00 GMT -5
DeSantis from 3 months ago might have raised some fears, but I don’t think that’s nearly the case now. Trump’s not going anywhere. If DeSantis somehow manages to snag the nomination, that process will be brutal for him nevertheless, and he will need to try and coalesce the base while pivoting to a general election. I feel more glee than fear at that prospect. Trump pretty much praises each new candidate in the Republican primary - but has total disdain for DeSantis. Trump has spent 5X more money attacking DeSantis then his PACs spent attacking Democrats in the 2022 election. There is little doubt who Trump fears among his Republican challengers. As for the Democrats - they sure do spend a ton of time obsessing over DeSantis. Someone like Newsom has spent a bunch of time doing DeSantis parodies and talking about Florida. The MSM obsession with misinformation over what is going on in Florida is crazy. I think the conventional wisdom--whatever that means these days--is that Trump won't win a general election. Putting attention on DeSantis, by the political world or by the media, is a logical corollary to that. DeSantis is clearly intentionally pushing the envelope in Florida as a sort of a branding exercise--that's not misinformation. It's what is keeping him in the conversation and spotlight. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 24, 2023 10:04:38 GMT -5
There is little doubt who Trump fears among his Republican challengers. Yes, but being able to out-Trump Trump is not a formula for winning the general election. Trump lost the popular vote both times, you know. |
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Post by mervinswerved on May 24, 2023 10:21:00 GMT -5
I think the conventional wisdom--whatever that means these days--is that Trump won't win a general election. If the CW is he can't win or is very unlikely to win, I think the CW is wrong. Biden is/will be the favorite against Trump, but my rough guess is he's a 3-1 or 4-1, rather than something more prohibitive. And with the likely chance of the Biden admin teaming with Republicans to gut social spending and the less likely possibility of them just crashing the economy through rate hikes or default, it wouldn't take much for Trump to overcome those 2020 margins. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 24, 2023 10:31:52 GMT -5
I think the conventional wisdom--whatever that means these days--is that Trump won't win a general election. If the CW is he can't win or is very unlikely to win, I think the CW is wrong. Biden is/will be the favorite against Trump, but my rough guess is he's a 3-1 or 4-1, rather than something more prohibitive. And with the likely chance of the Biden admin teaming with Republicans to gut social spending and the less likely possibility of them just crashing the economy through rate hikes or default, it wouldn't take much for Trump to overcome those 2020 margins. In a US where we tend to have very close elections and the last time a party held the Presidency for more than two elections was 1988, 4-1 odds are very big. I do agree, however, that the biggest risk to Biden is Biden. The Dems could hand over the White House by default if they run Biden again and he 1) suffers a major health crisis, or 2) suffers a public aging crisis. I mean, it's always a risk that your candidate could die in October just before the election, but when he's over 80 that risk is much higher. Biden is about the same age (a little older) than my dad, which gives me some perspective on the age question. Dad's still active and independent, but he's also not the strong and vital guy he was 10 years ago. |
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