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Post by bluepenquin on May 25, 2023 16:57:54 GMT -5
It's so rich that this entire conversation started because blue accused mike of relying on misinformation/having his facts wrong and all we've learned is blue had no idea what he was talking about. Say what? School system didn't ban any books. Article says it banned books. Article wasn't honest in its reporting - it was blatant misinformation. Seems pretty simple. |
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Post by donut on May 25, 2023 17:13:21 GMT -5
Well - when you have news organizations that tells a total lie - or imply something that isn't happening. No books were banned - and The Guardian should be ashamed for reporting this. To start with - the state of Florida has nothing to do with this. This was a school district (I believe in the Miami area and a very liberal school district) that did their annual review of books and decided that 3 books were more age appropriate for middle school than grade school. As such, the book that was 'banned' according to this article was just moved to the middle school library - where it will probably be read more often. This story gets picked up Political and Axios - despite zero reporting or understand of what is going on. We get this kind of crap reporting about Florida every day... Speaking of telling total lies... No wonder you didn't provide a source.
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Post by oldnewbie on May 26, 2023 9:01:24 GMT -5
It's so rich that this entire conversation started because blue accused mike of relying on misinformation/having his facts wrong and all we've learned is blue had no idea what he was talking about. Say what? School system didn't ban any books. Article says it banned books. Article wasn't honest in its reporting - it was blatant misinformation. Seems pretty simple. Talk about misinformation, did you even read the article? You are making crap up. Article DID NOT say it was the "school system" (whatever you mean by that), it said it was "an educational institution in Miami-Dade county". Article DID NOT say it "banned books", it said "the poem was removed for reading by elementary school children". So, the article not only didn't say what you said it did, but what the school actually did was ban the book from young readers specifically due to recent legislation in Florida spearheaded by DeSantis. From the article: "The most recent legislation, enacted earlier this month, requires schools to remove books immediately based on a complaint from a single parent." |
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Post by thevolleybaker on May 26, 2023 10:51:25 GMT -5
This guy just oozes charisma. Asperger’s? I’m autistic (Aspergers is just autism) please don’t associate us with this fascist @$$%*!*. You can be lacking in empathy and socially inept without being autistic. I’m pretty sure DeSantis isn’t and I doubt he would admit he was given the right’s views on autism. I know this comment wasn’t mean in a cruel way and I don’t intend any hate to the commenter. I wasn’t going to say anything until I saw that members of the Trump campaign are now claiming DeSantis is autistic as a way to, I don’t know like question his fitness or office or whatever way they’re trying to spin it. Him being autistic, if he is, would have nothing to do with his capability to be president. Where the focus should be is his fascist policies that have already caused harm and will continue doing so to marginalized communities. That to me makes him unfit for any political office in our democracy. |
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Post by bluepenquin on May 26, 2023 11:28:15 GMT -5
Say what? School system didn't ban any books. Article says it banned books. Article wasn't honest in its reporting - it was blatant misinformation. Seems pretty simple. Talk about misinformation, did you even read the article? You are making crap up. Article DID NOT say it was the "school system" (whatever you mean by that), it said it was "an educational institution in Miami-Dade county". Article DID NOT say it "banned books", it said "the poem was removed for reading by elementary school children". So, the article not only didn't say what you said it did, but what the school actually did was ban the book from young readers specifically due to recent legislation in Florida spearheaded by DeSantis. From the article: "The most recent legislation, enacted earlier this month, requires schools to remove books immediately based on a complaint from a single parent." The word 'ban' was used 8 times in the article (the Gaurdian) including the headline. Seems hard to argue that they didn't use it. If you read the Miami Herald's stories - you can get a bit more detail that is left out of the Guardian. Even though the Herald is written with a leftist slant. It is factually incorrect to say the school is required to immediately remove a book based on a single complaint. The article in the Herald wrote about one book with a complaint that they didn't remove. Should this poem have been removed from this grade school? I don't know. I think it is reasonable for those deciding (teachers and principals) to determine that a poem is better off in middle school than grade school. Maybe it should be in both. But if these kinds of decisions that happen at EVERY school library are going to be met with 'banning books' - then the use of banning has lost any meaning. It would be interesting to see the % of grade school libraries that currently has this poem - the % of middle school and HS libraries? That would actually be useful information in our understanding - instead of automatically talking about book banning to support a preconceived narrative. BTW, DeSantis has expanded school choice in the state of Florida - a move that gives him or the state even less control or interest in what books are in a library or what courses are being taught. Kinda of contra to the common perception of him and wanting to micro-manage education. |
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Post by leftcoaster71 on May 26, 2023 12:40:31 GMT -5
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Post by donut on May 26, 2023 12:49:36 GMT -5
Talk about misinformation, did you even read the article? You are making crap up. Article DID NOT say it was the "school system" (whatever you mean by that), it said it was "an educational institution in Miami-Dade county". Article DID NOT say it "banned books", it said "the poem was removed for reading by elementary school children". So, the article not only didn't say what you said it did, but what the school actually did was ban the book from young readers specifically due to recent legislation in Florida spearheaded by DeSantis. From the article: "The most recent legislation, enacted earlier this month, requires schools to remove books immediately based on a complaint from a single parent." The word 'ban' was used 8 times in the article (the Gaurdian) including the headline. Seems hard to argue that they didn't use it. If you read the Miami Herald's stories - you can get a bit more detail that is left out of the Guardian. Even though the Herald is written with a leftist slant. It is factually incorrect to say the school is required to immediately remove a book based on a single complaint. The article in the Herald wrote about one book with a complaint that they didn't remove. Should this poem have been removed from this grade school? I don't know. I think it is reasonable for those deciding (teachers and principals) to determine that a poem is better off in middle school than grade school. Maybe it should be in both. But if these kinds of decisions that happen at EVERY school library are going to be met with 'banning books' - then the use of banning has lost any meaning. It would be interesting to see the % of grade school libraries that currently has this poem - the % of middle school and HS libraries? That would actually be useful information in our understanding - instead of automatically talking about book banning to support a preconceived narrative. BTW, DeSantis has expanded school choice in the state of Florida - a move that gives him or the state even less control or interest in what books are in a library or what courses are being taught. Kinda of contra to the common perception of him and wanting to micro-manage education. Backtrack, pivot, repeat. |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 26, 2023 13:10:05 GMT -5
Talk about misinformation, did you even read the article? You are making crap up. Article DID NOT say it was the "school system" (whatever you mean by that), it said it was "an educational institution in Miami-Dade county". Article DID NOT say it "banned books", it said "the poem was removed for reading by elementary school children". So, the article not only didn't say what you said it did, but what the school actually did was ban the book from young readers specifically due to recent legislation in Florida spearheaded by DeSantis. From the article: "The most recent legislation, enacted earlier this month, requires schools to remove books immediately based on a complaint from a single parent." The word 'ban' was used 8 times in the article (the Gaurdian) including the headline. Seems hard to argue that they didn't use it. If you read the Miami Herald's stories - you can get a bit more detail that is left out of the Guardian. Even though the Herald is written with a leftist slant. It is factually incorrect to say the school is required to immediately remove a book based on a single complaint. The article in the Herald wrote about one book with a complaint that they didn't remove. Should this poem have been removed from this grade school? I don't know. I think it is reasonable for those deciding (teachers and principals) to determine that a poem is better off in middle school than grade school. Maybe it should be in both. But if these kinds of decisions that happen at EVERY school library are going to be met with 'banning books' - then the use of banning has lost any meaning. It would be interesting to see the % of grade school libraries that currently has this poem - the % of middle school and HS libraries? That would actually be useful information in our understanding - instead of automatically talking about book banning to support a preconceived narrative. BTW, DeSantis has expanded school choice in the state of Florida - a move that gives him or the state even less control or interest in what books are in a library or what courses are being taught. Kinda of contra to the common perception of him and wanting to micro-manage education. I never claimed the word "ban" didn't appear in the article. You claimed that the "School system didn't ban any books." but that the "Article says it banned books." That is wrong, and you intentionally misrepresent the article. Both the article and the author reference a single book that was removed for reading by elementary age children, not that it "banned books". Those are your words, to confuse the issue and misrepresent the article. The article DID NOT say a "school system", it very clearly referenced one institution. The article DID NOT say that the school banned the book, it clearly said that it took that book away from elementary school kids. The article did quote the author as fighting against book bans in Florida. The article did say that "Book bans have surged in Florida in the wake of a series of laws signed by the Republican governor, Ron DeSantis" The article did say that "According to PEN America, 565 books were banned in Florida schools in the 2021-22 school year." The article did quote the author saying “So they ban my book from young readers, confuse me with Oprah, fail to specify what parts of my poetry they object to, refuse to read any reviews, and offer no alternatives … Unnecessary book bans like these are on the rise, and we must fight back,” Your claim of what is "factually incorrect" is worth about as much as your other false claims. "Any material that is subject to an objection on the basis of sub-sub-subparagraph b.(I) or sub-sub-subparagraph b.(II) must be removed within 5 school days of receipt of the objection and remain unavailable to students of that school until the objection is resolved." |
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 26, 2023 13:32:38 GMT -5
True to sleazy form the media and the darlings on Volley Talk are in full throttle election mode. Turn to any network and see all kinds of anti-DeSantis rhetoric. It goes back to my same claim. Liberals could not win an election without the media. They would lose every single time.Isn’t that the definition of election interference. Sure it is but they’ll never admit it because it would take a person of integrity to admit that.
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Post by volleyguy on May 26, 2023 13:53:52 GMT -5
True to sleazy form the media and the darlings on Volley Talk are in full throttle election mode. Turn to any network and see all kinds of anti-DeSantis rhetoric. It goes back to my same claim. Liberals could not win an election without the media. They would lose every single time.Isn’t that the definition of election interference. Sure it is but they’ll never admit it because it would take a person of integrity to admit that. The media has always been a part of elections, dingleberry. Running campaign ads, doing interviews on cable news shows, talk shows and having surrogates appear on those same shows is nothing new. There may be less effort to hide behind partisanship, but both sides are part of that trend. There's no way Trump would have won in 2016 without the full-throated support of Murdoch and Fox News, and you know it. Wasn't it you who kept bragging about how Fox's rating were kicking everyone else's butt? |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on May 26, 2023 14:01:57 GMT -5
Is this that Salinas character? Proud Boys, Moms for Liberty, DeSantis fangurl…nothing illegal about any of that, of course (give the Proud Boys some time, though), but it’s strongly indicative of a particular, uh, mindset. Florida. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by oldnewbie on May 26, 2023 14:33:56 GMT -5
True to sleazy form the media and the darlings on Volley Talk are in full throttle election mode. Turn to any network and see all kinds of anti-DeSantis rhetoric. It goes back to my same claim. Liberals could not win an election without the media. They would lose every single time.Isn’t that the definition of election interference. Sure it is but they’ll never admit it because it would take a person of integrity to admit that. All I am seeing are reports of actual DeSantis rhetoric, from DeSantis. That makes him look how he looks. The media is just relaying the message. |
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Post by mervinswerved on May 26, 2023 14:54:34 GMT -5
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Post by leftcoaster71 on May 26, 2023 15:07:14 GMT -5
Is this that Salinas character? Proud Boys, Moms for Liberty, DeSantis fangurl…nothing illegal about any of that, of course (give the Proud Boys some time, though), but it’s strongly indicative of a particular, uh, mindset. Florida. 🤷♂️ Yes, that's the crazy lady. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 26, 2023 16:28:51 GMT -5
True to sleazy form the media and the darlings on Volley Talk are in full throttle election mode. Turn to any network and see all kinds of anti-DeSantis rhetoric. It goes back to my same claim. Liberals could not win an election without the media. They would lose every single time.Isn’t that the definition of election interference. Sure it is but they’ll never admit it because it would take a person of integrity to admit that. The media has always been a part of elections, dingleberry. Running campaign ads, doing interviews on cable news shows, talk shows and having surrogates appear on those same shows is nothing new. There may be less effort to hide behind partisanship, but both sides are part of that trend. There's no way Trump would have won in 2016 without the full-throated support of Murdoch and Fox News, and you know it. Wasn't it you who kept bragging about how Fox's rating were kicking everyone else's butt? Don’t legitimize what shouldn’t be OK. Isn’t that the very reason you people hate Fox News so bad? You can’t complain about one and then accept the other. You either feel that the media shouldn’t be influencing politics or you don’t? Which is it? |
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