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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 6, 2023 15:41:32 GMT -5
Eve is not one of the names I heard. I don't think they can afford her. Or if they even want to. She's already making $25k more than what Joe was.
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Post by dizzydean on Feb 6, 2023 15:49:38 GMT -5
Eve is not one of the names I heard. I don't think they can afford her. Or if they even want to. She's already making $25k more than what Joe was. Schall and Erin Lindsey would be my guess.
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Post by bvolley17 on Feb 6, 2023 16:03:32 GMT -5
Eve is not one of the names I heard. I don't think they can afford her. Or if they even want to. She's already making $25k more than what Joe was. Schall and Erin Lindsey would be my guess. I wonder if we would see Lindsey at HC and keep Schall at first assistant. If it’s not Mike, I think he’ll end up on staff regardless unless someone is bringing a crew with them. How good is Lindsey? The record at Santa Clara isn’t great. But I know she’s been around a lot of great coaches and programs.
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Post by hammer on Feb 6, 2023 17:37:36 GMT -5
As I understand it, UNC is down to two. Both with very strong ties to Chapel Hill. So Tom Brady's out?
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Post by gibbyb1 on Feb 6, 2023 18:03:09 GMT -5
Schall and Erin Lindsey would be my guess. I wonder if we would see Lindsey at HC and keep Schall at first assistant. If it’s not Mike, I think he’ll end up on staff regardless unless someone is bringing a crew with them. How good is Lindsey? The record at Santa Clara isn’t great. But I know she’s been around a lot of great coaches and programs. Who doesn’t bring a new crew with them? It’s very rare that head coaches retain staff.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Feb 6, 2023 18:09:04 GMT -5
I wonder if we would see Lindsey at HC and keep Schall at first assistant. If it’s not Mike, I think he’ll end up on staff regardless unless someone is bringing a crew with them. How good is Lindsey? The record at Santa Clara isn’t great. But I know she’s been around a lot of great coaches and programs. Who doesn’t bring a new crew with them? It’s very rare that head coaches retain staff. l like Mike, I think he’s a very good asst, but UNC is I believe a combined 85-75 during his tenure. Has his impact on the program warrant being elevated to head coach? Being an incredibly nice person that people like, doesn’t in and of itself warrant being the head coach? If they do hire him, I’d have to wonder why they didn’t hire him right away if they felt he was the guy.
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Post by bvolley17 on Feb 6, 2023 18:16:31 GMT -5
Who doesn’t bring a new crew with them? It’s very rare that head coaches retain staff. l like Mike, I think he’s a very good asst, but UNC is I believe a combined 85-75 during his tenure. Has his impact on the program warrant being elevated to head coach? Being an incredibly nice person that people like, doesn’t in and of itself warrant being the head coach? If they do hire him, I’d have to wonder why they didn’t hire him right away if they felt he was the guy. I agree with you. But be careful, anytime anyone calls that out about 100 people come on here and tell you you’re stupid. And by the way most of them post it seems like Mike is the most well-respected man that has ever lived. Because he is well respected and knowing the girls on the team wanted him, and a few other things I’ve heard from people during the process about his tenure at UNC, I could see an incoming coach finding value there.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Feb 6, 2023 18:35:28 GMT -5
l like Mike, I think he’s a very good asst, but UNC is I believe a combined 85-75 during his tenure. Has his impact on the program warrant being elevated to head coach? Being an incredibly nice person that people like, doesn’t in and of itself warrant being the head coach? If they do hire him, I’d have to wonder why they didn’t hire him right away if they felt he was the guy. I agree with you. But be careful, anytime anyone calls that out about 100 people come on here and tell you you’re stupid. And by the way most of them post it seems like Mike is the most well-respected man that has ever lived. Because he is well respected and knowing the girls on the team wanted him, and a few other things I’ve heard from people during the process about his tenure at UNC, I could see an incoming coach finding value there. As I said I like Mike very much and know he can coach, it just isn’t as cut and dried as people sometime believe. Hell, he may get it and knock it out of the park, it’s just not a given.
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Feb 6, 2023 18:41:16 GMT -5
I agree with you. But be careful, anytime anyone calls that out about 100 people come on here and tell you you’re stupid. And by the way most of them post it seems like Mike is the most well-respected man that has ever lived. Because he is well respected and knowing the girls on the team wanted him, and a few other things I’ve heard from people during the process about his tenure at UNC, I could see an incoming coach finding value there. As I said I like Mike very much and know he can coach, it just isn’t as cut and dried as people sometime believe. Hell, he may get it and knock it out of the park, it’s just not a given. Maybe Mike doesn't want to be a HC, I don't recall her name but the Stanford asst was for years just that a solid assistant coach who people had great thinkgs to say about her.
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Post by bkedane on Feb 6, 2023 18:46:07 GMT -5
As I said I like Mike very much and know he can coach, it just isn’t as cut and dried as people sometime believe. Hell, he may get it and knock it out of the park, it’s just not a given. Maybe Mike doesn't want to be a HC, I don't recall her name but the Stanford asst was for years just that a solid assistant coach who people had great thinkgs to say about her. He applied. He interviewed. He is one of two or three finalists. He has not withdrawn from consideration. This suggests he wants the job doesn't it?
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 6, 2023 18:50:25 GMT -5
There’s a tendency right now for sitting HC’s to throw out crazy numbers to see what sticks. It’s not sticking most places. Anyone who has traveled the club circuit the last 10 years or played Triangle teams knows Mike is one of the most respected in the sport. I don't see why any AD would throw money at any sitting HC when the facts show that most current successful HCs weren't hired via that route. The only way a HC is worth additional salary is if they can show that where they are they can build a self-sustaining program. Only then are they worth more money. I can only think of three, and even those three are special situations where it is more the coaches understanding the existing situation and not screwing it up, more than creating it at a new program. Agreed. I think that certain programs, lets call them "blue bloods", almost HAVE to poach (or at least attempt to poach) successful P5 head coaches for optics. But in reality, IMO, almost all of these head coach poaching hires is relatively immaterial, and in some cases I think it's just a level of laziness that deep pocketed programs are able to have because they can. You can find quality coaching at dozens of schools. Most of these HC's, even at the best programs, aren't "special", and I'm sure a number of associate head coaches at P5 programs or head coaches at non high-profile programs could do just as good of a job, if given the chance.
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Post by oldhead on Feb 6, 2023 21:56:08 GMT -5
Who doesn’t bring a new crew with them? It’s very rare that head coaches retain staff. l like Mike, I think he’s a very good asst, but UNC is I believe a combined 85-75 during his tenure. Has his impact on the program warrant being elevated to head coach? Being an incredibly nice person that people like, doesn’t in and of itself warrant being the head coach? If they do hire him, I’d have to wonder why they didn’t hire him right away if they felt he was the guy. Well, one reason was one prominent HC was given some space to consider the move/family/etc. Its a box they had to check.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 6, 2023 22:02:06 GMT -5
just that a solid assistant coach who people had great thinkgs to say about her. I think that sells Denise Corlett just a little short.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Feb 7, 2023 1:38:50 GMT -5
I don't see why any AD would throw money at any sitting HC when the facts show that most current successful HCs weren't hired via that route. The only way a HC is worth additional salary is if they can show that where they are they can build a self-sustaining program. Only then are they worth more money. I can only think of three, and even those three are special situations where it is more the coaches understanding the existing situation and not screwing it up, more than creating it at a new program. Agreed. I think that certain programs, lets call them "blue bloods", almost HAVE to poach (or at least attempt to poach) successful P5 head coaches for optics. But in reality, IMO, almost all of these head coach poaching hires is relatively immaterial, and in some cases I think it's just a level of laziness that deep pocketed programs are able to have because they can. You can find quality coaching at dozens of schools. Most of these HC's, even at the best programs, aren't "special", and I'm sure a number of associate head coaches at P5 programs or head coaches at non high-profile programs could do just as good of a job, if given the chance. I'd think it's more about recruiting than coaching. Top P5 program + "name coach" - admins assume there won't be a big drop off in recruiting. It reveals what is attracting top players to blue blood programs - the school/program, the coach, or a combination of the two.
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 7, 2023 3:00:17 GMT -5
Agreed. I think that certain programs, lets call them "blue bloods", almost HAVE to poach (or at least attempt to poach) successful P5 head coaches for optics. But in reality, IMO, almost all of these head coach poaching hires is relatively immaterial, and in some cases I think it's just a level of laziness that deep pocketed programs are able to have because they can. You can find quality coaching at dozens of schools. Most of these HC's, even at the best programs, aren't "special", and I'm sure a number of associate head coaches at P5 programs or head coaches at non high-profile programs could do just as good of a job, if given the chance. I'd think it's more about recruiting than coaching. Top P5 program + "name coach" - admins assume there won't be a big drop off in recruiting. It reveals what is attracting top players to blue blood programs - the school/program, the coach, or a combination of the two.
I don't specifically disagree with that (admins assume there won't be a drop off in recruiting by poaching a bigger name power 5 coach), however, I still think it's mostly overrated. Players will come and go for a variety of reasons, and I'm not sure it's really the coaching that's the defining factor. USC still managed to sign elite recruits despite not poaching a big power 5 head coach after Haley. Ohio State managed to keep its prized recruits AND get more despite not poaching a big power 5 head coach. Same for Washington and Cook (at the time). Ulmer wasn't a big time power 5 coach and yet Oregon still recruited well even earlier on in his tenure (I'd argue that it was actually recruiting better than under Moore). Sometimes it's nuanced - Penn State lost a prized future recruit, but is gaining valuable high profile transfers despite not poaching a big power 5 head coach. Minnesota poached Cook, who was a bigger power 5 head coach, yet both Booth and Wenass left and even though Murr is using her covid year to go there, it sounds like Minnesota was on her short list regardless of who was coaching. Do we really think Stanford wouldn't have been able to continually land elite recruits but for Hambly? And then there are situations where the players can't possibly be going there for "name" coaching (because the coaches have continually underperformed), but still do anyway - Florida, UCLA.
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