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B1G 2023
Jun 9, 2023 11:23:49 GMT -5
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Jun 9, 2023 11:23:49 GMT -5
If we’re ranking the OH position for these top teams, I’d probably put Minnesota just ahead of Wisconsin. Landfair is a first team AA and Wucherer (if she stays healthy) is no joke. I’m excited to see how they match up with TTA and Orzol this year! I’d put the OHs for the top five teams in the following order: 1. Minnesota (Landfair-Wucherer) 2. Wisconsin (TTA-Orzol) 3. Nebraska (Murray-Krause/Batenhorst) 4. Purdue (Hudson-Chicoine) 5. Penn State (Mruzik-Markley/Starck) Not sure Purdue is ahead of PSU. Mruzik is one of the best and much better than NE hitters. Mruzik is excellent but I still have questions about their other outside spot. For Purdue, the positions are pretty much locked down for Hudson and Chicoine, and both appear to be studs from what I’ve seen (Hudson is the reigning FOTY and Chicoine was the MVP of the U21s). For Nebraska, I get a lot of exposure to the team because they’re my partner’s favorite team. Murray has looked lethal so far and is on my shortlist for FOTY this year, and Batenhorst and Krause have both stepped up their games, Batenhorst especially so.
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Post by vollectator on Jun 9, 2023 12:26:28 GMT -5
NE hitters give us husker fans a lot of reasons to be optimistic, but they're not proven in BIG competition. to say they're the best at this point is just homer talk. it could very well be a different story at the end of the season because this group has that potential. as a team we need to get over Mt. Madison. that one's getting old and annoying.
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Post by tablealgebra on Jun 9, 2023 13:50:09 GMT -5
Not sure Purdue is ahead of PSU. Mruzik is one of the best and much better than NE hitters. Mruzik is excellent but I still have questions about their other outside spot. For Purdue, the positions are pretty much locked down for Hudson and Chicoine, and both appear to be studs from what I’ve seen (Hudson is the reigning FOTY and Chicoine was the MVP of the U21s). For Nebraska, I get a lot of exposure to the team because they’re my partner’s favorite team. Murray has looked lethal so far and is on my shortlist for FOTY this year, and Batenhorst and Krause have both stepped up their games, Batenhorst especially so. These five groups all look pretty close to me. I'd put PSU 4th because of depth, and one could similarly argue for Nebraska over UW. My guess is that the gap between 1st and 5th best OH group is more narrow than 5th and 6th (which, who is 6th anyway? Illinois (Terry)? OSU if Londot plays outside? Indiana with Saris/Geddes?)
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Jun 9, 2023 14:58:21 GMT -5
Mruzik is excellent but I still have questions about their other outside spot. For Purdue, the positions are pretty much locked down for Hudson and Chicoine, and both appear to be studs from what I’ve seen (Hudson is the reigning FOTY and Chicoine was the MVP of the U21s). For Nebraska, I get a lot of exposure to the team because they’re my partner’s favorite team. Murray has looked lethal so far and is on my shortlist for FOTY this year, and Batenhorst and Krause have both stepped up their games, Batenhorst especially so. These five groups all look pretty close to me. I'd put PSU 4th because of depth, and one could similarly argue for Nebraska over UW. My guess is that the gap between 1st and 5th best OH group is more narrow than 5th and 6th (which, who is 6th anyway? Illinois (Terry)? OSU if Londot plays outside? Indiana with Saris/Geddes?) Yeah there definitely is a larger gap between 5 and 6 than 1 and 5. I’d probably put Illinois in 6th right now for Terry alone, but Illinois’s very thin at OH outside of her. I’d probably have Indiana over OSU since we at least know who their starters are, plus I’d prefer seeing Londot develop at opposite.
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 9, 2023 15:15:25 GMT -5
Best OH in the conference? Not sure about that. WI has second team AA and freshman of the year that beat out yours. 🙄 Penn State's are at least as good. MN > NE. Didn't you have two elite setters in recent past? Maybe Cook "Orrs" setters that aren't named Lauren? If we’re ranking the OH position for these top teams, I’d probably put Minnesota just ahead of Wisconsin. Landfair is a first team AA and Wucherer (if she stays healthy) is no joke. I’m excited to see how they match up with TTA and Orzol this year! I’d put the OHs for the top five teams in the following order: 1. Minnesota (Landfair-Wucherer) 2. Wisconsin (TTA-Orzol) 3. Nebraska (Murray-Krause/Batenhorst) 4. Purdue (Hudson-Chicoine) 5. Penn State (Mruzik-Markley/Starck) I'm not quite sure how you could justify putting Nebraska above Purdue right now. Based on collegiate play so far, Hudson is better than both Krause and Batenhorst, and Chicoine has been just as effective as Murray offensively during her international stints, and is a better backcourt player.
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Post by pcll0718 on Jun 9, 2023 15:59:11 GMT -5
If we’re ranking the OH position for these top teams, I’d probably put Minnesota just ahead of Wisconsin. Landfair is a first team AA and Wucherer (if she stays healthy) is no joke. I’m excited to see how they match up with TTA and Orzol this year! I’d put the OHs for the top five teams in the following order: 1. Minnesota (Landfair-Wucherer) 2. Wisconsin (TTA-Orzol) 3. Nebraska (Murray-Krause/Batenhorst) 4. Purdue (Hudson-Chicoine) 5. Penn State (Mruzik-Markley/Starck) I'm not quite sure how you could justify putting Nebraska above Purdue right now. Based on collegiate play so far, Hudson is better than both Krause and Batenhorst, and Chicoine has been just as effective as Murray offensively during her international stints, and is a better backcourt player.
Nebraska pins vs Purdue pins. Huskers by several miles. Hudson had a couple nightmare matches against Nebraska last year. Hudson hit under .200 in conference play (20 matches) you can imagine it to be close between these two teams. it definitely is not.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Jun 9, 2023 16:10:52 GMT -5
If we’re ranking the OH position for these top teams, I’d probably put Minnesota just ahead of Wisconsin. Landfair is a first team AA and Wucherer (if she stays healthy) is no joke. I’m excited to see how they match up with TTA and Orzol this year! I’d put the OHs for the top five teams in the following order: 1. Minnesota (Landfair-Wucherer) 2. Wisconsin (TTA-Orzol) 3. Nebraska (Murray-Krause/Batenhorst) 4. Purdue (Hudson-Chicoine) 5. Penn State (Mruzik-Markley/Starck) I'm not quite sure how you could justify putting Nebraska above Purdue right now. Based on collegiate play so far, Hudson is better than both Krause and Batenhorst, and Chicoine has been just as effective as Murray offensively during her international stints, and is a better backcourt player. A few reasons: 1. Batenhorst and Krause have played in 9 tournament matches and have a wealth of experience already. 2. Bergen Reilly is the presumptive starting setter for Nebraska and already has a good connection with Murray and Batenhorst (based on the spring and Brazil matches). She’s also someone who, as a high schooler, was called up to the senior national team. For Purdue, we have no idea who will bet setting for them. 3.
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 9, 2023 16:18:37 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure how you could justify putting Nebraska above Purdue right now. Based on collegiate play so far, Hudson is better than both Krause and Batenhorst, and Chicoine has been just as effective as Murray offensively during her international stints, and is a better backcourt player. A few reasons: 1. Batenhorst and Krause have played in 9 tournament matches and have a wealth of experience already. 2. Bergen Reilly is the presumptive starting setter for Nebraska and already has a good connection with Murray and Batenhorst (based on the spring and Brazil matches). She’s also someone who, as a high schooler, was called up to the senior national team. For Purdue, we have no idea who will bet setting for them. 3. Well if you are comparing the quality of OH's by the quality of the setting, that doesn't quite sound like you are actually comparing the quality of the OH's (*shrug*). I agree that Nebraska will be a better team than Purdue, for a variety of reasons, but that's not the same as saying that I think Murray/Batenhorst/Krause are actually better OH's than Hudson/Chicoine. It's ok to have differing opinions.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Jun 9, 2023 16:55:32 GMT -5
A few reasons: 1. Batenhorst and Krause have played in 9 tournament matches and have a wealth of experience already. 2. Bergen Reilly is the presumptive starting setter for Nebraska and already has a good connection with Murray and Batenhorst (based on the spring and Brazil matches). She’s also someone who, as a high schooler, was called up to the senior national team. For Purdue, we have no idea who will bet setting for them. 3. Well if you are comparing the quality of OH's by the quality of the setting, that doesn't quite sound like you are actually comparing the quality of the OH's (*shrug*). I agree that Nebraska will be a better team than Purdue, for a variety of reasons, but that's not the same as saying that I think Murray/Batenhorst/Krause are actually better OH's than Hudson/Chicoine. It's ok to have differing opinions. I’m not saying that the quality of the setter determines the quality of the outsides, but having strong setting does help the outsides (and all hitters). Case in point: look at Nebraska’s hitting last year off of that setting. Having a strong setter will help the Nebraska outsides show off their skills a lot more compared to last year. It is okay to have different opinions. As I said earlier, the gap between 1 through 5 is much tighter than between 5 and 6, and I have Nebraska just ahead of Purdue.
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Post by slxpress on Jun 9, 2023 17:45:07 GMT -5
It's ok to have differing opinions. It is okay to have different opinions. Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Let's not get crazy here.
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 9, 2023 19:33:25 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure how you could justify putting Nebraska above Purdue right now. Based on collegiate play so far, Hudson is better than both Krause and Batenhorst, and Chicoine has been just as effective as Murray offensively during her international stints, and is a better backcourt player. Nebraska pins vs Purdue pins. Huskers by several miles. Hudson had a couple nightmare matches against Nebraska last year. Hudson hit under .200 in conference play (20 matches) you can imagine it to be close between these two teams. it definitely is not.
oh, I didn't realize that matches specifically against Nebraska were the barometer here. Firstly, Batenhorst hit even WORSE than Hudson last year in conference, so lets leave that there, and I suppose the fact that Hudson took 30% more swings than Batenhorst and Krause combined and was the go to hitter for Purdue, playing all six rotations, passing and defending, meanwhile Batenhorst and Krause did not, plays no role in that? You don't even think the quality of OH between Nebraska and Purdue is even close? I don't even care if either of these two teams do well this season, but your post deserves a big:
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Post by bruinsgold on Jun 9, 2023 20:55:22 GMT -5
I'm just here to say going against ay2013 is NOT the hill you want to die on, especially since he is very far from a Purdue fan 😂
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Post by pcll0718 on Jun 9, 2023 21:05:27 GMT -5
Nebraska pins vs Purdue pins. Huskers by several miles. Hudson had a couple nightmare matches against Nebraska last year. Hudson hit under .200 in conference play (20 matches) you can imagine it to be close between these two teams. it definitely is not.
oh, I didn't realize that matches specifically against Nebraska were the barometer here. Firstly, Batenhorst hit even WORSE than Hudson last year in conference, so lets leave that there, and I suppose the fact that Hudson took 30% more swings than Batenhorst and Krause combined and was the go to hitter for Purdue, playing all six rotations, passing and defending, meanwhile Batenhorst and Krause did not, plays no role in that? You don't even think the quality of OH between Nebraska and Purdue is even close? I don't even care if either of these two teams do well this season, but your post deserves a big: Look at this another way, If a trade was proposed, Purdue gets Murray and Krause, while Nebraska gets Hudson and Chicoine. Which side of that deal do you want? Hudson’s volume leads to big numbers, with lots inefficiency and predictability. Nice to have lots of amazing options. Krause was 4th among all pin hitters in Big Ten hitting .271%, Hudson was 19th in Big Ten matches hitting .198%. Krause hit .362% in the last 12 matches of season, likely the best hitting % in the nation over last dozen matches for a pin hitter.
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Post by tablealgebra on Jun 9, 2023 21:29:47 GMT -5
oh, I didn't realize that matches specifically against Nebraska were the barometer here. Firstly, Batenhorst hit even WORSE than Hudson last year in conference, so lets leave that there, and I suppose the fact that Hudson took 30% more swings than Batenhorst and Krause combined and was the go to hitter for Purdue, playing all six rotations, passing and defending, meanwhile Batenhorst and Krause did not, plays no role in that? You don't even think the quality of OH between Nebraska and Purdue is even close? I don't even care if either of these two teams do well this season, but your post deserves a big: Look at this another way, If a trade was proposed, Purdue gets Murray and Krause, while Nebraska gets Hudson and Chicoine. Which side of that deal do you want? Hudson’s volume leads to big numbers, with lots inefficiency and predictability. Nice to have lots of amazing options. Krause was 4th among all pin hitters in Big Ten hitting .271%, Hudson was 19th in Big Ten matches hitting .198%. Krause hit .362% in last 12 matches of season, likely best in Nation for a pin hitter. This is why I'm not that high on Purdue's OH's, and I'll specifically compare to Nebraska since that's the topic. 1. Chicoine didn't look comfortable against big blocks this Spring. Frankly, Harper Murray just looked better (though I do know Chicoine had that big international tournament) 2. Depth. If either Hudson or Chicoine is out for any amount of time, who's going to pick up the slack. 3. Roles on the team. In my view, Hudson and Chicoine are both best in the H2 position (more of an all-around as opposed to a big thumper) - I think Hudson is a solid 6ro player and Chicoine looks to follow in that mold. Now, if Purdue had picked up a big-hitting opposite in the portal this spring (someone like, say, Merritt Beason) then suddenly Hudson and Chicoine look better because their role is more fit to what they're good at, while the big-hitting opposite would be partially responsible for taking out the trash and finishing big rallies. (Weirdly, Nebraska has the opposite problem, where their best outsides all profile as H1's with the possible exception of Harper Murray) But the reality is, I don't think the difference between any of the top 5 B1G teams (and these are indeed the top 5 teams) is going to be their outside hitting. If Minnesota wins the conference, someone please remind me so I can come back here and eat crow. But the outsides are close enough that it's going to be other facets of the game that make the difference.
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Post by ddbb on Jun 9, 2023 23:19:40 GMT -5
oh, I didn't realize that matches specifically against Nebraska were the barometer here. Firstly, Batenhorst hit even WORSE than Hudson last year in conference, so lets leave that there, and I suppose the fact that Hudson took 30% more swings than Batenhorst and Krause combined and was the go to hitter for Purdue, playing all six rotations, passing and defending, meanwhile Batenhorst and Krause did not, plays no role in that? You don't even think the quality of OH between Nebraska and Purdue is even close? I don't even care if either of these two teams do well this season, but your post deserves a big: Look at this another way, If a trade was proposed, Purdue gets Murray and Krause, while Nebraska gets Hudson and Chicoine. Which side of that deal do you want? Hudson’s volume leads to big numbers, with lots inefficiency and predictability. Nice to have lots of amazing options. Krause was 4th among all pin hitters in Big Ten hitting .271%, Hudson was 19th in Big Ten matches hitting .198%. Krause hit .362% in last 12 matches of season, likely best in Nation for a pin hitter. pfft, you're citing krause's numbers to argue she's the better outside as if she wasn't hitting on the right side, with less junk and oos sets, when her offensive numbers actually shot up. goofy
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