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Post by superfan1 on Mar 15, 2023 18:52:41 GMT -5
If they were to go ahead with a tournament, where would they take the competition dates from? Either way, preseason or regular season, seems like it's more cons than pros imo
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Mar 15, 2023 18:59:13 GMT -5
Now that the SEC has announced they’ll be reinstating a conference tournament, what are people’s thoughts on the B1G starting up their own tournament? In 2024, with 16 teams, you could do a regular season of 15 games— everyone once— and then have time for a 16 team double elimination tournament. Might be fun. But having a regular season end with all the conference favorites playing each other has worked fine too. I’m guessing it’d be an 18 game season (since losing 3 games is a lot of ticket revenue) where each team plays their geographic rival twice (I.e., Wisconsin-Minnesota, Illinois-Northwestern, etc.) and then rotate the last two games between schools annually based on travel. I definitely think the 20-game “conference favorites battle it out at the end” setup is more fun. We’ll see what moves the B1G ends up making.
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Post by PostPrime on Mar 15, 2023 19:35:07 GMT -5
I read on Twitter Shondell and Purdue talking about this very thing. 15 conference matches and a 16 team tournament. TV bonanza. I see it happening if TV wants it and it gives the conference an even bigger presence on Fox. Would be fun to watch a tournament.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Mar 15, 2023 19:59:26 GMT -5
I read on Twitter Shondell and Purdue talking about this very thing. 15 conference matches and a 16 team tournament. TV bonanza. I see it happening if TV wants it and it gives the conference an even bigger presence on Fox. Would be fun to watch a tournament. Have any coaches other than Shondell expressed interest in a tournament?
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Mar 15, 2023 20:29:16 GMT -5
I read on Twitter Shondell and Purdue talking about this very thing. 15 conference matches and a 16 team tournament. TV bonanza. I see it happening if TV wants it and it gives the conference an even bigger presence on Fox. Would be fun to watch a tournament. Have any coaches other than Shondell expressed interest in a tournament? Jim Barnes the Iowa head coach said he would vote “yes” for it.
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Post by n00b on Mar 15, 2023 20:43:45 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not sure why they'd do it. It would likely only hurt the goal of getting the maximum number of teams in the NCAA tournament. With every team in the conference (but one) guaranteed one more loss, it could be the difference between a bubble team making the tournament or not. B1G is already the top conference, and it's not like they need a tournament to decide which one team gets to go to the tournament. I’m not the biggest fan of the idea, but I do think it could help a bubble team more than it could hinder one. Look at the Penn State basketball team this season: they were 10th in the conference and were on the outside looking in. They ended up going on a tear through the conference tournament and gave Purdue a lot of challenges in the championship game. This run guaranteed them a spot in the tournament. There’s definitely the potential for a bubble to burst, but the chance for a bubble to rise would offset that risk. A tourney is a fun idea, but the reason I don’t think the conference will go for it is because of revenue. Volleyball is definitely a revenue sport in the B1G, and losing 2-3 home matches a season wouldn’t sit well with schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin. A conference tournament would require ONE less home game per year, not 2-3. So yes, that would negatively affect a few Big Ten schools, but not many. I don't see why they wouldn't play 18 matches - 2 per week through the weekend before Thanksgiving - then play the conference tournament Tuesday through Saturday of Thanksgiving. (or even better, Wednesday through Sunday)
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Post by Badger Alum on Mar 15, 2023 22:34:50 GMT -5
And do it at a location in a large venue. For example, if the tournament was held at the Kohl Center in Madison, I could see it drawing 10,000+ spectators each day. The finals could even be 15,000+. That's a lot of added revenue. Rotate the location each year. Grow the audience. Larger arenas. Think big. It could be VERY successful. I love the idea.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Mar 15, 2023 22:43:25 GMT -5
I’m not the biggest fan of the idea, but I do think it could help a bubble team more than it could hinder one. Look at the Penn State basketball team this season: they were 10th in the conference and were on the outside looking in. They ended up going on a tear through the conference tournament and gave Purdue a lot of challenges in the championship game. This run guaranteed them a spot in the tournament. There’s definitely the potential for a bubble to burst, but the chance for a bubble to rise would offset that risk. A tourney is a fun idea, but the reason I don’t think the conference will go for it is because of revenue. Volleyball is definitely a revenue sport in the B1G, and losing 2-3 home matches a season wouldn’t sit well with schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin. A conference tournament would require ONE less home game per year, not 2-3. So yes, that would negatively affect a few Big Ten schools, but not many. I don't see why they wouldn't play 18 matches - 2 per week through the weekend before Thanksgiving - then play the conference tournament Tuesday through Saturday of Thanksgiving. (or even better, Wednesday through Sunday) The 2-3 matches was in reference to another post mentioning a 15 conference game season, so my apologies for any confusion. An 18 game schedule with the tourney the week of thanksgiving could definitely work, but with Thanksgiving in the middle of the week, how would they do a four round tournament with the first and second rounds on Tuesday-Wednesday and the semis and finals on Friday-Saturday?
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Mar 15, 2023 22:46:16 GMT -5
And do it at a location in a large venue. For example, if the tournament was held at the Kohl Center in Madison, I could see it drawing 10,000+ spectators each day. The finals could even be 15,000+. That's a lot of added revenue. Rotate the location each year. Grow the audience. Larger arenas. Think big. It could be VERY successful. I love the idea. I do like the idea of rotating locations! Could give multiple teams the opportunity host and give fans in different areas the opportunity to attend.
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Post by liberovb10 on Mar 15, 2023 23:51:17 GMT -5
I read on Twitter Shondell and Purdue talking about this very thing. 15 conference matches and a 16 team tournament. TV bonanza. I see it happening if TV wants it and it gives the conference an even bigger presence on Fox. Would be fun to watch a tournament. Or on Peacock too, since they have Olympic sports rights too.
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Post by tablealgebra on Mar 16, 2023 1:43:10 GMT -5
I like the idea of a full 16 team bracket, complete with consolation games all the way to the end (so that one team gets 15th place! Sixteenth place will suck though) Each of the top four teams would host the first two rounds the weekend before Thanksgiving (maybe one Thurs-Sat and one Fri-Sun), then play the consolation games for 9th-16th on Tuesday and Wednesday, probably at a smaller site since you're not going to draw 10,000 fans for those games. Then do the 1st-8th place games on Friday and Saturday at a large venue (CHI center or a pro basketball arena).
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Post by n00b on Mar 16, 2023 6:16:14 GMT -5
A conference tournament would require ONE less home game per year, not 2-3. So yes, that would negatively affect a few Big Ten schools, but not many. I don't see why they wouldn't play 18 matches - 2 per week through the weekend before Thanksgiving - then play the conference tournament Tuesday through Saturday of Thanksgiving. (or even better, Wednesday through Sunday) The 2-3 matches was in reference to another post mentioning a 15 conference game season, so my apologies for any confusion. An 18 game schedule with the tourney the week of thanksgiving could definitely work, but with Thanksgiving in the middle of the week, how would they do a four round tournament with the first and second rounds on Tuesday-Wednesday and the semis and finals on Friday-Saturday? The tournament will take 5 days if it’s at one venue (can’t fit 8 matches in one arena in one day). But I think you just play on Thanksgiving. Lots of open tv time on ESPN.
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Mar 16, 2023 7:14:48 GMT -5
And do it at a location in a large venue. For example, if the tournament was held at the Kohl Center in Madison, I could see it drawing 10,000+ spectators each day. The finals could even be 15,000+. That's a lot of added revenue. Rotate the location each year. Grow the audience. Larger arenas. Think big. It could be VERY successful. I love the idea. I do like the idea of rotating locations! Could give multiple teams the opportunity host and give fans in different areas the opportunity to attend. IMO it's very unlikely they would risk drops in revenue and attendance by rotating through different locations every year. If there ever were a B1G volleyball tournament, I think they would do the safe thing and just schedule it in the suburban Chicago area every year.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Mar 16, 2023 9:02:02 GMT -5
The 2-3 matches was in reference to another post mentioning a 15 conference game season, so my apologies for any confusion. An 18 game schedule with the tourney the week of thanksgiving could definitely work, but with Thanksgiving in the middle of the week, how would they do a four round tournament with the first and second rounds on Tuesday-Wednesday and the semis and finals on Friday-Saturday? The tournament will take 5 days if it’s at one venue (can’t fit 8 matches in one arena in one day). But I think you just play on Thanksgiving. Lots of open tv time on ESPN. Yeah, there’s no rule against playing on Thanksgiving, but with all of the NFL and college basketball games on that day, it emes like it’d be harder to draw in a TV crowd.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Mar 16, 2023 9:04:11 GMT -5
I do like the idea of rotating locations! Could give multiple teams the opportunity host and give fans in different areas the opportunity to attend. IMO it's very unlikely they would risk drops in revenue and attendance by rotating through different locations every year. If there ever were a B1G volleyball tournament, I think they would do the safe thing and just schedule it in the suburban Chicago area every year. Yeah, suburban Chicago is a safe bet, but I think they could pull off a rotation between a few of the major cities and college towns in the region (Omaha/Lincoln, Minneapolis, Madison/Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Columbus, etc.).
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