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Post by gibbyb1 on Nov 30, 2023 16:59:21 GMT -5
So you expect a libero to have good passing numbers, but not your other backroom players? I guess I'm confused. I do struggle with how to pick a DPOY when there is such a huge difference between passing/floor defense and blocking/net defense. Those are totally different games, but it's all defense. Anyone playing in the back row should be able to pass with a high degree of accuracy, and yes, I do consider that more important than digs/set. I'm happy for Lexi - I don't disagree with the selection - but for the record, I had it going to Colvin. I definitely expect the libero to have great passing numbers and Lexi does. If it was a LIBERO of the Year Award, I'd hands down give it to her. But that's not the case. Nor has it been the case for several years. That's on the B1G for continuing to name it Defensive Player of the Year and not something else. And for the last few years, it has gone to a defensive player who's led in a defensive category (digs per set/blocks per set). I think if that's the metric you're gonna award by, then the player who wins it should at least be in the top 3 of that category. Lexi was not. Not her fault that Nebraska has recruited and trained great defensive players in Murray, Choboy, and the rest. It's also unfair to look at the others and say, "Sorry, you put in that hard work but we decided to award based on other metrics this year." For the record: I thought it should've gone to Booth or Colvin. But if it was from a group of liberos, it should've been at least been from the ones leading in the stat category they've used previously. Correct. Coaches are voting for who they believe is the best libero. If digs per set is the lone criteria, why even have voting?
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 30, 2023 17:02:28 GMT -5
Would you consider passing or balls dug the more important metric? uhm for a defensive player of the year award? balls dug.... you know this lmao Right. If they want to honor passing, have a Libero of the Year award. And teach people how to pronounce while you’re at it.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Nov 30, 2023 17:10:11 GMT -5
Sounds like we need one more award, BLOY.
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Post by huskerang74 on Nov 30, 2023 17:15:47 GMT -5
So you expect a libero to have good passing numbers, but not your other backroom players? I guess I'm confused. I do struggle with how to pick a DPOY when there is such a huge difference between passing/floor defense and blocking/net defense. Those are totally different games, but it's all defense. Anyone playing in the back row should be able to pass with a high degree of accuracy, and yes, I do consider that more important than digs/set. I'm happy for Lexi - I don't disagree with the selection - but for the record, I had it going to Colvin. I definitely expect the libero to have great passing numbers and Lexi does. If it was a LIBERO of the Year Award, I'd hands down give it to her. But that's not the case. Nor has it been the case for several years. That's on the B1G for continuing to name it Defensive Player of the Year and not something else. And for the last few years, it has gone to a defensive player who's led in a defensive category (digs per set/blocks per set). I think if that's the metric you're gonna award by, then the player who wins it should at least be in the top 3 of that category. Lexi was not. Not her fault that Nebraska has recruited and trained great defensive players in Murray, Choboy, and the rest. It's also unfair to look at the others and say, "Sorry, you put in that hard work but we decided to award based on other metrics this year." For the record: I thought it should've gone to Booth or Colvin. But if it was from a group of liberos, it should've been at least been from the ones leading in the stat category they've used previously. First, thank you for the conversation... I'm finding it interesting. I'm not here to make enemies... here to learn & expand my horizon. Would I be correct in saying you see getting the ball up (the dig) as the defensive move and where it goes (the pass) as part of the offense? Subtle, but I can see it. I'd like to see a % of successful digs, rather than a straight digs/set. For background, my son is a soccer goalkeeper. Our defense is normally strong enough that he doesn't face more than 1-2 shots per game. In a purely statistical sense, he is not a factor in the game, at all. I have spent this past season really watching and listening to him. The reason he doesn't face many shots is because of his understanding of the game and the way he communicates and directs his defenders. I see this similar to Lexi -- like my son, she makes the saves she needs to make, and does a great job transitioning that to offense, but her true value is in the way she changes the game around her.
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Post by azsker on Nov 30, 2023 17:25:54 GMT -5
Regarding L-Rod as DPOY, even if there wasn't a clear frontrunner, there were some potential frontrunners, and L-Rod wasn't one of them. No shade on her, but I feel bad for others who seem deserving... Season digs per set: 1 Schermerhorn, Maddie (Purdue) 4.49 2 Stinson, Ellee (Northwestern) 4.41 3 Gary, Ramsey (Indiana) 4.34 4 Iosia, Nalani (Michigan State) 4.16 5 Dennis, Sydney (Iowa) 4.15 6 Murr, Kylie (Minnesota) 4.10 7 Gunter, Lilly (Maryland) 3.69 8 Grimes, Gillian (Penn State) 3.61 9 Chitty, Madyson (Rutgers) 3.60 10 Rodriguez, Lexi (Nebraska) 3.60 Conference-only digs per set: Rodriguez drops out of top 10 …you’re going off statistics. They don’t tell the whole story. This has been said numerous times. Nobody in the country would take a different libero out of the B1G other than Lexi Rodriguez. You can pull whatever stat you want but it doesn’t change that glaring fact.
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Post by bruinsgold on Nov 30, 2023 17:31:37 GMT -5
I definitely expect the libero to have great passing numbers and Lexi does. If it was a LIBERO of the Year Award, I'd hands down give it to her. But that's not the case. Nor has it been the case for several years. That's on the B1G for continuing to name it Defensive Player of the Year and not something else. And for the last few years, it has gone to a defensive player who's led in a defensive category (digs per set/blocks per set). I think if that's the metric you're gonna award by, then the player who wins it should at least be in the top 3 of that category. Lexi was not. Not her fault that Nebraska has recruited and trained great defensive players in Murray, Choboy, and the rest. It's also unfair to look at the others and say, "Sorry, you put in that hard work but we decided to award based on other metrics this year." For the record: I thought it should've gone to Booth or Colvin. But if it was from a group of liberos, it should've been at least been from the ones leading in the stat category they've used previously. First, thank you for the conversation... I'm finding it interesting. I'm not here to make enemies... here to learn & expand my horizon. Would I be correct in saying you see getting the ball up (the dig) as the defensive move and where it goes (the pass) as part of the offense? Subtle, but I can see it. I'd like to see a % of successful digs, rather than a straight digs/set. For background, my son is a soccer goalkeeper. Our defense is normally strong enough that he doesn't face more than 1-2 shots per game. In a purely statistical sense, he is not a factor in the game, at all. I have spent this past season really watching and listening to him. The reason he doesn't face many shots is because of his understanding of the game and the way he communicates and directs his defenders. I see this similar to Lexi -- like my son, she makes the saves she needs to make, and does a great job transitioning that to offense, but her true value is in the way she changes the game around her. Well first, congrats to your son for being a goalie! Was always my favorite position. I would say the pass is part of the offense. The serve could be considered part of the defense because a great serve is what allows your block and defense is get into position for whatever play the other team is going to make -- if they don't get aced. I agree a great libero is always communicating and directing. I'm sure Rodriguez does that but there's no stat or metric to prove that. This award has not been based on intangibles, just like the other awards aren't. In that respect, there were players better than Rodriguez.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 30, 2023 17:35:54 GMT -5
I’m just going to point out some husker logic. The eye-test wasn’t acceptable when I was ranking Nebraska behind Stanford during the period they were objectively playing badly and dropping sets left and right to inferior competition. But when it comes to superlative awards, the eye test is completely fine, in fact stats can’t be trusted, and the coaches are infallible in their decision making. Just pointing out things I find interesting
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Post by xlumie on Nov 30, 2023 17:41:17 GMT -5
the sweep ijbol i’ll take it i guess NOT THE AWARDS SWEEP. Its giving BTS 💀.
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2023 18:04:24 GMT -5
is that a joke or are you serious? hes serious ..... whaaaat???
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2023 18:06:38 GMT -5
That I am also slightly confused by? Would love to see a voting breakdown. The only thing I can think of, is Reily is a better "pure" setter, IE just at setting than haworth, and thats what they look at for the award. Like literally just setting. But still... there is more to being a setter than that. reily is amazing, dont get me wrong, but haworth was just insane this year Yeah, but if you use that "pure" X position criteria ... how do you explain Lexi?
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2023 18:07:52 GMT -5
raina terry didn’t make a team? 1st Team. First name on the list. I'm surprised she wasn't unanimous, myself.
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2023 18:11:18 GMT -5
Also Maddie S should of been first team. and thats on ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/jqj5VXXND8V3tHVbfK/giphy.gif) She was ROBBED.
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Nov 30, 2023 18:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by azsker on Nov 30, 2023 18:12:42 GMT -5
I’m just going to point out some husker logic. The eye-test wasn’t acceptable when I was ranking Nebraska behind Stanford during the period they were objectively playing badly and dropping sets left and right to inferior competition. But when it comes to superlative awards, the eye test is completely fine, in fact stats can’t be trusted, and the coaches are infallible in their decision making. Just pointing out things I find interesting this isn’t Husker logic lol quit bitching and take it up with the B1G coaches. They vote. Not Husker fans My god do these awards seriously mean that much to you? Idt the players even care. They want the trophies.
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2023 18:13:02 GMT -5
And the way some of y'all have or are gonna try to explain away these selections is incredible. Absolutely mind-boggling. Y'all know it's wrong! No one's gonna take away your "homer" card for calling a spade a spade. It's bull. Schermerhorn should sue.
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Post by bborr on Nov 30, 2023 18:15:10 GMT -5
cook exaggerates about such random shi sometimes He talks off the cuff and he's not very good at it. It really comes back to bite him in the butt sometimes, like the Caffey comments he made at 2022 Media Days. On this one, he has repeated the 8 points/fifth thing twice now, so somebody gave him that and he didn’t think it through. How a 12-8 team in 5th place team can move ahead of a 19-1 team by changing 8 points is on its face a ridiculous.
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