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Post by 25or624 on Nov 30, 2023 18:16:01 GMT -5
And the way some of y'all have or are gonna try to explain away these selections is incredible. Absolutely mind-boggling. Y'all know it's wrong! No one's gonna take away your "homer" card for calling a spade a spade. It's bull. Schermerhorn should sue. Just what the world needs; another frivolous lawsuit. No standing to sue, case dismissed for lack of justiciability.
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Nov 30, 2023 18:18:34 GMT -5
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 30, 2023 18:18:34 GMT -5
I’m just going to point out some husker logic. The eye-test wasn’t acceptable when I was ranking Nebraska behind Stanford during the period they were objectively playing badly and dropping sets left and right to inferior competition. But when it comes to superlative awards, the eye test is completely fine, in fact stats can’t be trusted, and the coaches are infallible in their decision making. Just pointing out things I find interesting this isn’t Husker logic lol quit bitching and take it up with the B1G coaches. They vote. Not Husker fans My god do these awards seriously mean that much to you? Idt the players even care. They want the trophies. I have no problem with the awards, actually. And I have no problem with Lexi winning despite statistically being a worse defender than 9 other players. My point was that stats serve their fans in some instances, but not in other instances. Did you read what I wrote?
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2023 18:20:37 GMT -5
Sounds like we need one more award, BLOY. Or just get rid of defensive player of the year and split it into Libero OtY and Blocker OtY...
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Post by knapplc on Nov 30, 2023 18:21:38 GMT -5
this isn’t Husker logic lol quit bitching and take it up with the B1G coaches. They vote. Not Husker fans My god do these awards seriously mean that much to you? Idt the players even care. They want the trophies. I have no problem with the awards, actually. And I have no problem with Lexi winning despite statistically being a worse defender than 9 other players. My point was that stats serve their fans in some instances, but not in other instances. Did you read what I wrote? Your point would be better made if you compared the reactions of specific people. "Husker fans" are a rather large group on VT. You're insinuating there's overlap but you're not showing your work. Who, specifically, are you talking about?
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2023 18:22:14 GMT -5
Regarding L-Rod as DPOY, even if there wasn't a clear frontrunner, there were some potential frontrunners, and L-Rod wasn't one of them. No shade on her, but I feel bad for others who seem deserving... Season digs per set: 1 Schermerhorn, Maddie (Purdue) 4.49 2 Stinson, Ellee (Northwestern) 4.41 3 Gary, Ramsey (Indiana) 4.34 4 Iosia, Nalani (Michigan State) 4.16 5 Dennis, Sydney (Iowa) 4.15 6 Murr, Kylie (Minnesota) 4.10 7 Gunter, Lilly (Maryland) 3.69 8 Grimes, Gillian (Penn State) 3.61 9 Chitty, Madyson (Rutgers) 3.60 10 Rodriguez, Lexi (Nebraska) 3.60 Conference-only digs per set: Rodriguez drops out of top 10 …you’re going off statistics. They don’t tell the whole story. This has been said numerous times. Nobody in the country would take a different libero out of the B1G other than Lexi Rodriguez. You can pull whatever stat you want but it doesn’t change that glaring fact. I don't think anyone disagrees with you about taking Lexi as a libero, but that's not what the award is. It's for the defensive player of the year, and blocks + digs have always been the stats looked at. You'll see that with the DPOY selections, too.
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2023 18:23:32 GMT -5
Just what the world needs; another frivolous lawsuit. No standing to sue, case dismissed for lack of justiciability. What kind of kangaroo court are you running?
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Nov 30, 2023 18:24:05 GMT -5
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Post by azsker on Nov 30, 2023 18:24:05 GMT -5
…you’re going off statistics. They don’t tell the whole story. This has been said numerous times. Nobody in the country would take a different libero out of the B1G other than Lexi Rodriguez. You can pull whatever stat you want but it doesn’t change that glaring fact. I don't think anyone disagrees with you about taking Lexi as a libero, but that's not what the award is. It's for the defensive player of the year, and blocks + digs have always been the stats looked at. You'll see that with the DPOY selections, too. lol how can you say what the award is? The coaches in this conference voted on it and everyone seems to argue what they think it is, which is comical if you think about it. And with all due respect, if no one is disagreeing with what I said, there shouldn’t be this much uproar about her getting the award. I mean seriously..
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Nov 30, 2023 18:26:57 GMT -5
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 30, 2023 18:26:57 GMT -5
I have no problem with the awards, actually. And I have no problem with Lexi winning despite statistically being a worse defender than 9 other players. My point was that stats serve their fans in some instances, but not in other instances. Did you read what I wrote? Your point would be better made if you compared the reactions of specific people. "Husker fans" are a rather large group on VT. You're insinuating there's overlap but you're not showing your work. Who, specifically, are you talking about? I thought you blocked me because I refused to admit JC wasn’t a dick because he was to nice to you at a fundraiser cocktail party once.
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Post by jimboslice on Nov 30, 2023 18:31:05 GMT -5
Landfair being probably the most hated and most dragged player on volleytalk this year (HM Jenna Wenaas) and making first team is so funny to me. Go gophs
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Post by knapplc on Nov 30, 2023 18:32:39 GMT -5
Your point would be better made if you compared the reactions of specific people. "Husker fans" are a rather large group on VT. You're insinuating there's overlap but you're not showing your work. Who, specifically, are you talking about? I thought you blocked me because I refused to admit JC wasn’t a dick because he was to nice to you at a fundraiser cocktail party once. Why do you have to invent things about people? Just have a conversation. It's OK.
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Nov 30, 2023 18:49:52 GMT -5
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 30, 2023 18:49:52 GMT -5
I thought you blocked me because I refused to admit JC wasn’t a dick because he was to nice to you at a fundraiser cocktail party once. Why do you have to invent things about people? Just have a conversation. It's OK. You are absolutely correct. I took your assertion that no one knows your connection with JC and that he’s never been mean to you once, to assume something of you, and I made a fundraiser party joke about it. Wrong of me. We good?
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Post by digs on Nov 30, 2023 19:40:20 GMT -5
So you expect a libero to have good passing numbers, but not your other backroom players? I guess I'm confused. I do struggle with how to pick a DPOY when there is such a huge difference between passing/floor defense and blocking/net defense. Those are totally different games, but it's all defense. Anyone playing in the back row should be able to pass with a high degree of accuracy, and yes, I do consider that more important than digs/set. I'm happy for Lexi - I don't disagree with the selection - but for the record, I had it going to Colvin. I definitely expect the libero to have great passing numbers and Lexi does. If it was a LIBERO of the Year Award, I'd hands down give it to her. But that's not the case. Nor has it been the case for several years. That's on the B1G for continuing to name it Defensive Player of the Year and not something else. And for the last few years, it has gone to a defensive player who's led in a defensive category (digs per set/blocks per set). I think if that's the metric you're gonna award by, then the player who wins it should at least be in the top 3 of that category. Lexi was not. Not her fault that Nebraska has recruited and trained great defensive players in Murray, Choboy, and the rest. It's also unfair to look at the others and say, "Sorry, you put in that hard work but we decided to award based on other metrics this year." For the record: I thought it should've gone to Booth or Colvin. But if it was from a group of liberos, it should've been at least been from the ones leading in the stat category they've used previously. Couldn’t agree more. And for the record, I love Lexi Rodriguez. And she is probably the best back row player in the conference/country. But there’s no objective measure by which she should have won this award.
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Post by knapplc on Nov 30, 2023 19:45:38 GMT -5
Why do you have to invent things about people? Just have a conversation. It's OK. You are absolutely correct. I took your assertion that no one knows your connection with JC and that he’s never been mean to you once, to assume something of you, and I made a fundraiser party joke about it. Wrong of me. We good? Of course we're good. You're good people.
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Post by liberovb10 on Dec 1, 2023 0:12:25 GMT -5
I’m not a Nebraska fan. And I don’t really agree with the DPOY and FOY (especially DPOY) but I can reason with it. And yes, losing one game is domination. Remember, Nebraska has played half this season without Krause, BUT has made a lot less excuses for it than Wisconsin fans have for the Smrek absence. But Badger fans proved it .... and the team by sweeping the %*$# of you guys. Run-Tell-That! I love they keep bringing up Krause?!?! Like she's a 8'2 OH hitting .990 -- I mean she's good... but you're other replacements do just fine. (list of high school all amerians on the bench) Irregardless, can't wait until KY takes it in cornville. you’re funny haha
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Post by liberovb10 on Dec 1, 2023 0:24:35 GMT -5
for all of you complaining about DPOY - Emily Ehman said it best. x.com/emilyehman/status/1729556046216110551?s=20Give your praises to the amazing year these women gave and stop complaining about meaningless awards. The only award that matters is three weekends away - on ABC - when the confetti falls and a champion is crowned. The meaningless “wow the B1G is rigged” or “libero vs middle” banter for DPOY, or “Chloe vs. Harper” for FOY. Nebraska dominated the big ten and they deserve their kudos. We get you’re rooting for your roster, your team, your coach, but if they’re not a top 2 finisher in the b1g - you’re not going to get a lot of praise in the individual awards. I wouldn’t have minded if Beason beat out Franklin and Nebraska swept the podium, because they deserved it. But none of this will mean anything if they can’t finish out the season on top. At this point of the year - i’m rooting for any and all B1G teams to finish on top and give the conference their kudos. (as an illini fan - hoping Nebraska takes it all)
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