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Post by wahinefan on Apr 22, 2023 21:14:16 GMT -5
No matter what scenario, I just do not see LBSU getting into the NCAA Tournament. I remember a few years ago, Hawaii got bounced in the BWC Tournament semi-final and did not get into the NCAA Tournament. Reason being the Selection committee did not want 3 teams from the same conference in the NCAA Tournament. The Selection Committee wanted to spread out the invites throughout the country. Was Charlie Wade pissed.
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Post by noblesol on Apr 22, 2023 21:18:20 GMT -5
So I guess: #1 UCLA #2 Hawaii (if they win BW) or PSU (If Hawaii loses) #3 Hawaii or PSU #4 tOSU #5 UCI or Beach #6 UCI or Beach or GCU/BYU #7 CC champ UCI doesn't have a realistic shot at an at-large. Beach and GCU both own the selection comps over UCI. The committee would have to widely (or wildly) deviate from the existing selection criteria to favor UCI. Highly unlikely to happen. |
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Post by raian13 on Apr 22, 2023 21:21:52 GMT -5
No matter what scenario, I just do not see LBSU getting into the NCAA Tournament. I remember a few years ago, Hawaii got bounced in the BWC Tournament semi-final and did not get into the NCAA Tournament. Reason being the Selection committee did not want 3 teams from the same conference in the NCAA Tournament. The Selection Committee wanted to spread out the invites throughout the country. Was Charlie Wade pissed. Hawaii lost the series to CSUN that year. |
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Apr 22, 2023 21:27:53 GMT -5
PSU went to Hawaii and beat them - PSU will be 2
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Post by noblesol on Apr 22, 2023 21:37:22 GMT -5
PSU went to Hawaii and beat them - PSU will be 2 Yes, they own the H2H. That's one criteria of nine. |
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Apr 22, 2023 21:41:33 GMT -5
PSU went to Hawaii and beat them - PSU will be 2 Yes, they own the H2H. That's one criteria of nine. PSU owns a bunch over Hawaii - and going on the road for H2H means more than neutral site. |
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Post by noblesol on Apr 22, 2023 21:48:54 GMT -5
Yes, they own the H2H. That's one criteria of nine. PSU owns a bunch over Hawaii - and going on the road for H2H means more than neutral site. From OTB as of early AM of 4/22: www.offtheblockblog.com/2023/04/bracketology-team-comparisons-using-selection-committee-criteria-42/Penn State vs. Hawai’i RPI ranking: Penn State No. 2 (.65979); Hawai’i No. 3 (.64704). Edge: Penn State Strength of schedule: Penn State No. 7 (.614); Hawai’i No. 17 (.584). Edge: Penn State Won-lost results: Penn State 24-3; Hawai’i 27-2. Edge: Hawai’i Head-to-head competition: Penn State won the season series 1-0. Edge: Penn State Non-conference record: Penn State 14-3; Hawai’i 17-1. Edge: Hawai’i Home record: Penn State 9-2; Hawai’i 17-2. Edge: Hawai’i Road record: Penn State 11-0; Hawai’i 9-0. Edge: Push Record vs. common opponents: Penn State 8-2; Hawai’i 15-1. Edge: Hawai’i Record vs. teams qualified or under consideration: Penn State 3-3; Hawai’i 4-2. Edge: Hawai’i Eligibility and availability of athletes: Edge: Push Hawai'i is ahead of PSU 5 - 3 in selection criteria as of early this morning. |
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Post by lionsfan on Apr 22, 2023 21:52:07 GMT -5
Home record: Penn State 9-2; Hawai’i 17-2. Edge: Hawai’i Playing 19 home matches favors Hawaii? |
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Post by noblesol on Apr 22, 2023 21:58:07 GMT -5
Home record: Penn State 9-2; Hawai’i 17-2. Edge: Hawai’i Playing 19 home matches favors Hawaii? Hawai'i scheds with awareness of the criteria as written. Home record is winning% at home. So, Hawai'i owns PSU in home record criteria. |
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Apr 22, 2023 21:58:09 GMT -5
PSU owns a bunch over Hawaii - and going on the road for H2H means more than neutral site. From OTB as of early AM of 4/22: www.offtheblockblog.com/2023/04/bracketology-team-comparisons-using-selection-committee-criteria-42/Penn State vs. Hawai’i RPI ranking: Penn State No. 2 (.65979); Hawai’i No. 3 (.64704). Edge: Penn State Strength of schedule: Penn State No. 7 (.614); Hawai’i No. 17 (.584). Edge: Penn State Won-lost results: Penn State 24-3; Hawai’i 27-2. Edge: Hawai’i Head-to-head competition: Penn State won the season series 1-0. Edge: Penn State Non-conference record: Penn State 14-3; Hawai’i 17-1. Edge: Hawai’i Home record: Penn State 9-2; Hawai’i 17-2. Edge: Hawai’i Road record: Penn State 11-0; Hawai’i 9-0. Edge: Push Record vs. common opponents: Penn State 8-2; Hawai’i 15-1. Edge: Hawai’i Record vs. teams qualified or under consideration: Penn State 3-3; Hawai’i 4-2. Edge: Hawai’i Eligibility and availability of athletes: Edge: Push Hawai'i is ahead of PSU 5 - 3 in selection criteria as of early this morning. And H2H sorry carries more weight. |
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Post by kaipono on Apr 22, 2023 22:05:29 GMT -5
From OTB as of early AM of 4/22: www.offtheblockblog.com/2023/04/bracketology-team-comparisons-using-selection-committee-criteria-42/Penn State vs. Hawai’i RPI ranking: Penn State No. 2 (.65979); Hawai’i No. 3 (.64704). Edge: Penn State Strength of schedule: Penn State No. 7 (.614); Hawai’i No. 17 (.584). Edge: Penn State Won-lost results: Penn State 24-3; Hawai’i 27-2. Edge: Hawai’i Head-to-head competition: Penn State won the season series 1-0. Edge: Penn State Non-conference record: Penn State 14-3; Hawai’i 17-1. Edge: Hawai’i Home record: Penn State 9-2; Hawai’i 17-2. Edge: Hawai’i Road record: Penn State 11-0; Hawai’i 9-0. Edge: Push Record vs. common opponents: Penn State 8-2; Hawai’i 15-1. Edge: Hawai’i Record vs. teams qualified or under consideration: Penn State 3-3; Hawai’i 4-2. Edge: Hawai’i Eligibility and availability of athletes: Edge: Push Hawai'i is ahead of PSU 5 - 3 in selection criteria as of early this morning. And H2H sorry carries more weight. From the NCAA handbook: “There is no requirement for the committee to give additional weight to a certain category |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 22, 2023 22:06:10 GMT -5
Home record: Penn State 9-2; Hawai’i 17-2. Edge: Hawai’i Playing 19 home matches favors Hawaii? A good point for sure, not sure I'd give that one a lot of weight .... the criteria is there to look at, but no clear instruction on how to use them, or how much weight to give them. I would guess that's where the discretion and subjectivity lies too. I would think criteria like h2h, rpi, results against common opponents and against teams under consideration .. might be given most weight and attention .... maybe? |
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Apr 22, 2023 22:08:13 GMT -5
Hey H2H is the most black and white criteria.
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Post by noblesol on Apr 22, 2023 22:29:46 GMT -5
Playing 19 home matches favors Hawaii? A good point for sure, not sure I'd give that one a lot of weight .... the criteria is there to look at, but no clear instruction on how to use them, or how much weight to give them. I would guess that's where the discretion and subjectivity lies too. I would think criteria like h2h, rpi, results against common opponents and against teams under consideration .. might be given most weight and attention .... maybe? Hawai'i is ahead of PSU 5-3 in the criteria without weighting. But, I believe that the committee has more discretion to weight as they see fit when seeding. Between Hawai'i and PSU it's close enough that the committee will be able to justify whatever conclusion they come to re #2 and #3 seeds. |
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Apr 22, 2023 22:34:54 GMT -5
Gotta win on the court regardless of who is 2/3....honestly with Toby hurt, I would rank Hawaii over PSU at this moment. I have no idea whether he will be back but being in a boot tonight isn't great since he is walking very gingerly.
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