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Post by vbnerd on Aug 1, 2023 17:10:57 GMT -5
Half the day is over and still no agreement. What else is there to negotiate unless Kliavkoff is calling ESPN to see if they are considering coming back to the table? I doubt ESPN will offer anything significant. If TV is the sticking point , then TV partner is what Kliavkoff is probably scrambling on now. Wonder how many will bite. The 4 corner schools have options so they don’t have to settle for less. Others might not have much option so may settle but schools like OU and UW doesn’t want to be locked in long terms so they won’t sign on. If the corner schools bail, then it will again alter the deal and might need to continue to negotiate….now without the 4 corner schools. It’s definitely a sh$t show now. You don't HAVE to sign the deal. If a school doesn't think the league is giving them value for their product, they don't HAVE to sign away their tv rights if the Pac 12 would let them stay in the league (not sure they are in a position to boot anyone right now). Or, maybe they want a shorter deal so they can see the number for a year or two. Or maybe the numbers go up or down when Arizona leaves. Supposedly it took Colorado 4 board meetings to decide to leave. Arizona I think is on meeting #2 and they have to talk about ASU as well. Not sure how this plays out, or how long this takes to play out.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 1, 2023 17:16:45 GMT -5
Half the day is over and still no agreement. What else is there to negotiate unless Kliavkoff is calling ESPN to see if they are considering coming back to the table? I doubt ESPN will offer anything significant. If TV is the sticking point , then TV partner is what Kliavkoff is probably scrambling on now. Wonder how many will bite. The 4 corner schools have options so they don’t have to settle for less. Others might not have much option so may settle but schools like OU and UW doesn’t want to be locked in long terms so they won’t sign on. If the corner schools bail, then it will again alter the deal and might need to continue to negotiate….now without the 4 corner schools. It’s definitely a sh$t show now. You don't HAVE to sign the deal. If a school doesn't think the league is giving them value for their product, they don't HAVE to sign away their tv rights if the Pac 12 would let them stay in the league (not sure they are in a position to boot anyone right now). Or, maybe they want a shorter deal so they can see the number for a year or two. Or maybe the numbers go up or down when Arizona leaves. Supposedly it took Colorado 4 board meetings to decide to leave. Arizona I think is on meeting #2 and they have to talk about ASU as well. Not sure how this plays out, or how long this takes to play out. The league have no TV contractfor 2024 so they better hurry or else they will have no money nor no TV for next season. Right now nobody has the right to telecast any PAC 12 event after this season. . For me, it’s accept the lowball deal or find another home. Not signing or not finding a new home is not an option. There are schools that will sign no matter(WSU and OSU). Others like UA, ASU and Utah have other places to go. Losing those corner schools will force OU and UW to find other homes. The is no chance of survival if all these schools leave. Another thing to consider….UA, ASU and Utah probably have offers waiting. If for some reason, they choose not to accept, the probability is that UW and UO will accept those offers so it’s a delicate situation for a lot of teams. The corner school have formed a pact to stick together. UO and UW have no such pact so the corner schools needs to be careful about rejecting offers from other conferences.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 1, 2023 17:33:21 GMT -5
Well….the UA board is supposed to hold a meeting at this hour along with ASU and Norther Arizona. If the PAC 12 deal cannot be sealed before this meeting. I don’t see UA staying. The PAC12 have had months to get this done. Today should be the straw that breaks the camels back. The media day was supposed to be the day the deal get revealed. They pushed it back and they ended up with this? Enough should be enough. I doubt something happens today? There are plenty of hurdles here. 1) If Arizona leaves - that could effectively kill the PAC. Robbins (the President) has been reported to be potentially moving to Stanford. His personal ambitions may not align with the University he works for right now. He (and it appears everyone else) doesn't want to be the person that kills the PAC. 2) Arizona Regents are responsible for both Arizona and Arizona State (and Northern Arizona). Arizona may be tied to Arizona State - which could end up leaving both behind (or may get ASU in the door). 3) The B12 has publicly said they are stopping at 14 for now - which would imply that there isn't room for both Arizona and Arizona State. Now, do they combined have enough power to get both into the B12 - and 'force' the B12 to 16 schools instead of 14? Arizona may not have an invite to the B12 if they (and the regents) insist on ASU following them. 4) Arizona may still think the PAC is salvageable and want to stay and take a chance on those Apple Subscription $'s. The Stanford president's resignation due to fake data in his papers from decades ago accidentally saving the Pac-12 because the Arizona president wants to be his successor (about as obvious of a conflict of interest as is imaginable in this situation) would be kind of hilarious.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 1, 2023 18:19:16 GMT -5
You don't HAVE to sign the deal. If a school doesn't think the league is giving them value for their product, they don't HAVE to sign away their tv rights if the Pac 12 would let them stay in the league (not sure they are in a position to boot anyone right now). Or, maybe they want a shorter deal so they can see the number for a year or two. Or maybe the numbers go up or down when Arizona leaves. Supposedly it took Colorado 4 board meetings to decide to leave. Arizona I think is on meeting #2 and they have to talk about ASU as well. Not sure how this plays out, or how long this takes to play out. The league have no TV contractfor 2024 so they better hurry or else they will have no money nor no TV for next season. Right now nobody has the right to telecast any PAC 12 event after this season. . For me, it’s accept the lowball deal or find another home. Not signing or not finding a new home is not an option. There are schools that will sign no matter(WSU and OSU). Others like UA, ASU and Utah have other places to go. Losing those corner schools will force OU and UW to find other homes. The is no chance of survival if all these schools leave. Another thing to consider….UA, ASU and Utah probably have offers waiting. If for some reason, they choose not to accept, the probability is that UW and UO will accept those offers so it’s a delicate situation for a lot of teams. The corner school have formed a pact to stick together. UO and UW have no such pact so the corner schools needs to be careful about rejecting offers from other conferences. Not signing does screw the league but maintaining your freedom may have more value than signing a bad deal for 5 years. If your team is good you may be able to sell the rights to late season games a la cart. It's unconventional but this whole situation is unconventional.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 1, 2023 18:43:27 GMT -5
You don't HAVE to sign the deal. If a school doesn't think the league is giving them value for their product, they don't HAVE to sign away their tv rights if the Pac 12 would let them stay in the league (not sure they are in a position to boot anyone right now). Or, maybe they want a shorter deal so they can see the number for a year or two. Or maybe the numbers go up or down when Arizona leaves. Supposedly it took Colorado 4 board meetings to decide to leave. Arizona I think is on meeting #2 and they have to talk about ASU as well. Not sure how this plays out, or how long this takes to play out. The league have no TV contractfor 2024 so they better hurry or else they will have no money nor no TV for next season. Right now nobody has the right to telecast any PAC 12 event after this season. . For me, it’s accept the lowball deal or find another home. Not signing or not finding a new home is not an option. There are schools that will sign no matter(WSU and OSU). Others like UA, ASU and Utah have other places to go. Losing those corner schools will force OU and UW to find other homes. The is no chance of survival if all these schools leave. Another thing to consider….UA, ASU and Utah probably have offers waiting. If for some reason, they choose not to accept, the probability is that UW and UO will accept those offers so it’s a delicate situation for a lot of teams. The corner school have formed a pact to stick together. UO and UW have no such pact so the corner schools needs to be careful about rejecting offers from other conferences. there's a pact to stick together? All evidence to the contrary. Colorado took the money and went.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 1, 2023 19:07:25 GMT -5
The league have no TV contractfor 2024 so they better hurry or else they will have no money nor no TV for next season. Right now nobody has the right to telecast any PAC 12 event after this season. . For me, it’s accept the lowball deal or find another home. Not signing or not finding a new home is not an option. There are schools that will sign no matter(WSU and OSU). Others like UA, ASU and Utah have other places to go. Losing those corner schools will force OU and UW to find other homes. The is no chance of survival if all these schools leave. Another thing to consider….UA, ASU and Utah probably have offers waiting. If for some reason, they choose not to accept, the probability is that UW and UO will accept those offers so it’s a delicate situation for a lot of teams. The corner school have formed a pact to stick together. UO and UW have no such pact so the corner schools needs to be careful about rejecting offers from other conferences. there's a pact to stick together? All evidence to the contrary. Colorado took the money and went. No…a pact with UA, ASU and Utah…not Colorado. I heard that pact was made yesterday.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 1, 2023 20:01:35 GMT -5
there's a pact to stick together? All evidence to the contrary. Colorado took the money and went. No…a pact with UA, ASU and Utah…not Colorado. I heard that pact was made yesterday. so it s a 3 corner pact
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Post by brooselee on Aug 1, 2023 20:38:50 GMT -5
No…a pact with UA, ASU and Utah…not Colorado. I heard that pact was made yesterday. so it s a 3 corner pact Yep but after the turn of events today, you never know. The higher ups at UA may instruct the athletic director to accept the Big 12 invite even if offer is only for one. Got to look out for yourself first and foremost There is no way the Future PAC deal will get any better. Any team that has an invite, needs to go. It's a sinking ship. Why hang on? After months of talk and all Kliavkoff came up is this travesty of a deal?
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 1, 2023 22:52:09 GMT -5
"Pacts" to stay together are only firm until they are not. Just ask USC, UCLA, and Colorado about that.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 1, 2023 23:57:27 GMT -5
"Pacts" to stay together are only firm until they are not. Just ask USC, UCLA, and Colorado about that. Or the "alliance" between the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12.
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Post by tomclen on Aug 2, 2023 13:09:06 GMT -5
Annnnnd...Down the Stretch they come!
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Aug 2, 2023 13:38:52 GMT -5
Is it time for me to get my black suit pressed?
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 2, 2023 14:33:03 GMT -5
what are Oregon State and Wazzou supposed to do
just roll some joints and kick back?
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 2, 2023 14:55:29 GMT -5
what are Oregon State and Wazzou supposed to do just roll some joints and kick back? Either they will move to the Mountain West or most/all of the MWC will become the new Pac12.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 2, 2023 14:57:10 GMT -5
what are Oregon State and Wazzou supposed to do just roll some joints and kick back? Either they will move to the Mountain West or most/all of the MWC will become the new Pac12. I think it's easier to move 2 teams, than 12.
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