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Post by tomclen on Aug 2, 2023 15:01:50 GMT -5
This sounds ominous.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 2, 2023 15:03:51 GMT -5
also,
a question might become: what value is Oregon State and Washington State to the Mountain West. How much are they even worth, not being part of the Pac-12. It would make the Mountain West truly the only western conference.
but is Wazzou more valuable than say inviting Gonzaga?
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Post by brooselee on Aug 2, 2023 15:13:03 GMT -5
Either they will move to the Mountain West or most/all of the MWC will become the new Pac12. I think it's easier to move 2 teams, than 12. Yes definitely. If the twelve schools from the MWC was to leave, each would owe 34 million each. 12 x 34 mil equals one gazillion so yeah….better to bring in WSU and OSU. The question would be….where would the money go if every team decide to leave the MWC since no conference will exist?
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Post by brooselee on Aug 2, 2023 15:18:33 GMT -5
also, a question might become: what value is Oregon State and Washington State to the Mountain West. How much are they even worth, not being part of the Pac-12. It would make the Mountain West truly the only western conference. but is Wazzou more valuable than say inviting Gonzaga? WSU has football. No matter how much everyone love on Gonzaga, football brings in big money and help run other programs. Non football playing schools can make it work but football makes it much easier since the bring in big TV money and also generate huge revenue thru football.
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 2, 2023 15:23:14 GMT -5
I think it's easier to move 2 teams, than 12. Yes definitely. If the twelve schools from the MWC was to leave, each would owe 34 million each. 12 x 34 mil equals one gazillion so yeah….better to bring in WSU and OSU. The question would be….where would the money go if every team decide to leave the MWC since no conference will exist? A PAC/MWC merger wouldn't be out of the question. The remaining PAC schools would probably own the rights to the PAC brand to use in the new conference.
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Post by big10+4 fan on Aug 2, 2023 15:24:52 GMT -5
With FSU President/AD/BoT saying (barring some major miracle) they're going to leave ACC, how fast is this all going to happen?
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 2, 2023 15:32:12 GMT -5
I think it's easier to move 2 teams, than 12. Yes definitely. If the twelve schools from the MWC was to leave, each would owe 34 million each. 12 x 34 mil equals one gazillion so yeah….better to bring in WSU and OSU. The question would be….where would the money go if every team decide to leave the MWC since no conference will exist? I don't think this is how it work. The Mountain West would dissolve, and the schools would join the PAC with no exit fee (if that was the road taken). In general, the PAC would have way more value than the Mountain West - so all schools would be better off moving to the PAC. But if it was just those last two - I think the value would be so low it no longer would be worth salvaging the PAC.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 2, 2023 15:33:51 GMT -5
So...
Arizona to the Big 12. If the Big 12 can find the cash, or at least some of it, ASU and Utah come with.
Then the Big 10 doesn't want to kill the Pac 12, but they will pick off the carcass and take Washington, Oregon, Stanford and I guess Cal (purely for academic reasons at this point it would seem. (Or would they take Stanford and Washington and leave Oregon and Cal? They need to have room for Notre Dame at some point).
Then Wazzou, Oregon State (and potentially Cal and one other) have decisions to make. They A) Call the Power 4 and beg.
B) Oregon State and Washington State (and whoever) sit down and start an invite list and see who bites... I'm just guessing here, but for travel pairings... Wazzou and Gonzaga Oregon St and Boise St. (Cal and Santa Clara - Maybe) Fresno and San Jose St, San Diego State and UNLV Colorado State and Creighton SMU and Rice Tulane and Memphis
C) Decide to go their own way, which could see Cal play in the Big West with football an independent or Mountain West Affiliate. Maybe Washington St and OSU go independent and wait to see what shakes out the next year or two.
D) Merge the assets of Pac and the MWC into something new.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 2, 2023 15:33:54 GMT -5
With FSU President/AD/BoT saying (barring some major miracle) they're going to leave ACC, how fast is this all going to happen? I've still yet to see how Florida State gets out. They're under contract through 2036.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 2, 2023 15:35:13 GMT -5
Yes definitely. If the twelve schools from the MWC was to leave, each would owe 34 million each. 12 x 34 mil equals one gazillion so yeah….better to bring in WSU and OSU. The question would be….where would the money go if every team decide to leave the MWC since no conference will exist? A PAC/MWC merger wouldn't be out of the question. The remaining PAC schools would probably own the rights to the PAC brand to use in the new conference. Are you suggesting the schools that choose to leave the PAC would own the branding rights to the PAC? USC has lost any rights to what the PAC does or how that name is used - as would any other school choosing to bail.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 2, 2023 15:36:56 GMT -5
Either they will move to the Mountain West or most/all of the MWC will become the new Pac12. I think it's easier to move 2 teams, than 12. The Pac 12 has better bowl tie ins, and I'd be willing to bet it has more NCAA tournament shares. That said, I think the MWC and Pac 12 could merge their assets if that was the path chosen.
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 2, 2023 15:40:59 GMT -5
A PAC/MWC merger wouldn't be out of the question. The remaining PAC schools would probably own the rights to the PAC brand to use in the new conference. Are you suggesting the schools that choose to leave the PAC would own the branding rights to the PAC? USC has lost any rights to what the PAC does or how that name is used - as would any other school choosing to bail. No, the schools that remain would. If the Arizona teams and possibly Utah bolt for the B12 and Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal for the B1G the remaining PAC teams would own the rights.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 2, 2023 15:41:02 GMT -5
Yes definitely. If the twelve schools from the MWC was to leave, each would owe 34 million each. 12 x 34 mil equals one gazillion so yeah….better to bring in WSU and OSU. The question would be….where would the money go if every team decide to leave the MWC since no conference will exist? A PAC/MWC merger wouldn't be out of the question. The remaining PAC schools would probably own the rights to the PAC brand to use in the new conference. It’s going to be problematic though. The TV contracts with FOX and with CBS is with the MWC. With a merger, both TV network also must agree with the merger. Who knows how they feel about the PAC12. Would those two network prefer to help elevate the MWC instead of taking the PAC name since they invested so much in the MWC conference and the PAC name is become a laughing stock? Both these networks are tied to the current MWC contract till 2026 so there is that. Also not sure why 12 teams would take the name of a conference when only 2 members from that conference will come in. Is it worth the money to “rebrand”. The moment the MWC change their name in an attempt to capture the PAC mystique, nobody will take them seriously since the entire league will be made up of G5 schools. No serious TV network will all of a sudden pay them P5 money. It’s worthless to change name. Nothing will change. No extra money will be coming in. The mystique is gone and everyone will see that this is not a PAC of old. The fact that they didn’t bid for the rights in this current situation might be telling.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 2, 2023 15:41:03 GMT -5
So... Arizona to the Big 12. If the Big 12 can find the cash, or at least some of it, ASU and Utah come with. Then the Big 10 doesn't want to kill the Pac 12, but they will pick off the carcass and take Washington, Oregon, Stanford and I guess Cal (purely for academic reasons at this point it would seem. (Or would they take Stanford and Washington and leave Oregon and Cal? They need to have room for Notre Dame at some point). I think Arizona would be accepted by the B12, but I am not convinced they would take ASU and Utah even if they find the money. Arizona would have to sell this as a condition - and that would be one heck of a game of chicken with Yormark. The Big Ten has primary interest in Oregon and Washington - and not Stanford and Cal. I don't see how anyone is able to leverage the extra 2 into the B1G - getting themselves into the B1G is priority one for OR/WA.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 2, 2023 15:43:06 GMT -5
Ominous? nah interesting? maybe
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