bluepenquin
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Post by bluepenquin on May 23, 2023 7:18:56 GMT -5
This is 100% old - nothing new. The baseline for the opinion is a report by Dennis Dodd (and effectively CBS Sports) from 3 weeks ago - that has been disputed by other sources. And even Dodd's reporting is only talking about Tier 1 for ESPN (them dropping out of the negotiations) - as ESPN could still be a partner even it is true that ESPN is out on Tier 1. I believe the headline to be misleading.
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Post by slxpress on May 23, 2023 7:27:40 GMT -5
This is 100% old - nothing new. The baseline for the opinion is a report by Dennis Dodd (and effectively CBS Sports) from 3 weeks ago - that has been disputed by other sources. And even Dodd's reporting is only talking about Tier 1 for ESPN (them dropping out of the negotiations) - as ESPN could still be a partner even it is true that ESPN is out on Tier 1. I believe the headline to be misleading. I still believe the PAC 12 is in the throes of an existential crisis though. It’s unrealistic they can maxinmize a media deal without a restrictive GOR, and it’s doubtful its members are going to sign a restrictive GOR. Thank you for the fact check, though. That was helpful.
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Post by GoGophs on May 23, 2023 7:31:28 GMT -5
No bueno… the Pac NEEDS to partner with ESPN or Fox or CBS or something to boost accessibility and production value. The app is confusing and games are rarely televised making it difficult to watch Pac 12 sports even for local teams (at least that’s what I experienced in the Seattle area). For volleyball specifically, when you finally figure out how to watch a match, the production is mediocre at best and the announcers are incredibly boring and monotone, completely mismatching the excitement and incredible play by these teams. I don’t know the ins and outs of these media deals but I really hope they figure it out soon.
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Post by knapplc on May 23, 2023 8:07:57 GMT -5
1. It'll be Stanford's championship to lose. Ho-hum.
2. Every conference opponent will be extra revved up to show USC/UCLA out the door. Which will be especially hilarious in hindsight when a couple of those schools follow them to the Big Ten, and from any other school joining another conference. But those moves will be justified. USC/UCLA are traitors.
3. Co-Champions! (lol, no)
4. Hard to say. I'll pick Gabriel.
5. Sadly, no.
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bluepenquin
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Post by bluepenquin on May 23, 2023 11:08:35 GMT -5
This is 100% old - nothing new. The baseline for the opinion is a report by Dennis Dodd (and effectively CBS Sports) from 3 weeks ago - that has been disputed by other sources. And even Dodd's reporting is only talking about Tier 1 for ESPN (them dropping out of the negotiations) - as ESPN could still be a partner even it is true that ESPN is out on Tier 1. I believe the headline to be misleading. I still believe the PAC 12 is in the throes of an existential crisis though. It’s unrealistic they can maxinmize a media deal without a restrictive GOR, and it’s doubtful its members are going to sign a restrictive GOR. Thank you for the fact check, though. That was helpful. Absolutely true. Long term seems like no chance of survival - somewhat similar but worse than the ACC. Short term - they may have to decide to take a bit more money and have little linear TV, or less money with the extra exposure of linear TV that isn't one of the big guys (ESPN, FOX, CBS, NBC). Neither seems desirable. And even then - there is no guarantee they can stay together short term. The TV contract and/or GOR is likely to be very short (I think).
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Post by Mark Richards on May 23, 2023 12:16:13 GMT -5
Has 2023 PAC12 Volleyball set some kind of record for upheaval? 4. Which of the five new coaches will have the best first-year showing? Could you please list the 5 coach's and their schools.
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Post by tomclen on May 23, 2023 12:43:24 GMT -5
Has 2023 PAC12 Volleyball set some kind of record for upheaval? 4. Which of the five new coaches will have the best first-year showing? Could you please list the 5 coach's and their schools. Arizona — Charita Stubbs. Arizona State — JJ Van Niel. Oregon State — Lindsey Behonick. UCLA — Alfee Reft. Washington — Leslie Gabriel. Info on the 5 new coaches
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Post by bbg95 on May 23, 2023 13:09:58 GMT -5
2. Every conference opponent will be extra revved up to show USC/UCLA out the door. Which will be especially hilarious in hindsight when a couple of those schools follow them to the Big Ten, and from any other school joining another conference. But those moves will be justified. USC/UCLA are traitors. Meh, USC's move is justified. I can understand why the other schools feel betrayed, but USC doesn't want to fall behind its fellow football blue bloods. And UCLA can hardly be blamed for taking a lot of extra money when USC was almost certainly out the door regardless. Also, I think it's more than a little ironic that a Nebraska fan is branding other schools as traitors for leaving for the greener pastures of the Big Ten when Nebraska did the same thing not long ago.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 23, 2023 13:19:33 GMT -5
Also, I think it's more than a little ironic that a Nebraska fan is branding other schools as traitors for leaving for the greener pastures of the Big Ten when Nebraska did the same thing not long ago. It was sarcasm. (But they *are* traitors.)
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Post by tomclen on May 23, 2023 13:30:37 GMT -5
There was a period when USC could have used their considerable clout to force changes in conference leadership and improve the quality of the conference, its broadcast coverage and revenue share.
However, the AD was busy playing golf while some of his top lieutenants were running a side-hustle recruiting scam.
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Post by knapplc on May 23, 2023 13:33:54 GMT -5
Also, I think it's more than a little ironic that a Nebraska fan is branding other schools as traitors for leaving for the greener pastures of the Big Ten when Nebraska did the same thing not long ago. I'm not branding them anything. I'm quoting people. You've seen posts like these: Can we get an option that says: "IDGAF, Good Riddance - Traitors" And mikegarrison is correct - that was sarcasm, because I don't think USC/UCLA are traitors at all. I think their departure, and the future departure of other schools from the PAC, is the result of years of mismanagement by that conference. It's a stupid self-inflicted wound.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 23, 2023 13:46:47 GMT -5
Also, I think it's more than a little ironic that a Nebraska fan is branding other schools as traitors for leaving for the greener pastures of the Big Ten when Nebraska did the same thing not long ago. I'm not branding them anything. I'm quoting people. You've seen posts like these: Can we get an option that says: "IDGAF, Good Riddance - Traitors" And mikegarrison is correct - that was sarcasm, because I don't think USC/UCLA are traitors at all. I think their departure, and the future departure of other schools from the PAC, is the result of years of mismanagement by that conference. It's a stupid self-inflicted wound. As Tomclen points out, they were part of the conference and as such participated in making the decisions like hiring Larry Scott.
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Post by knapplc on May 23, 2023 13:50:22 GMT -5
I'm not branding them anything. I'm quoting people. You've seen posts like these: And mikegarrison is correct - that was sarcasm, because I don't think USC/UCLA are traitors at all. I think their departure, and the future departure of other schools from the PAC, is the result of years of mismanagement by that conference. It's a stupid self-inflicted wound. As Tomclen points out, they were part of the conference and as such participated in making the decisions like hiring Larry Scott. Agreed. They are not blameless.
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Post by bbg95 on May 23, 2023 15:04:08 GMT -5
There was a period when USC could have used their considerable clout to force changes in conference leadership and improve the quality of the conference, its broadcast coverage and revenue share. However, the AD was busy playing golf while some of his top lieutenants were running a side-hustle recruiting scam. USC wasn't really one of Larry Scott's staunchest defenders. And as bad as Scott was, he's somewhat of a scapegoat. The Pac-12 university presidents are responsible. They're the ones that hired him, gave him an extension and raise and then hired what appears to be a fairly inept successor. Certainly, USC had its own share of issues, but whatever. They're going to do what's best for them, same as pretty much every other school.
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Post by bbg95 on May 23, 2023 18:18:05 GMT -5
As Tomclen points out, they were part of the conference and as such participated in making the decisions like hiring Larry Scott. Agreed. They are not blameless. I never said they were blameless (i.e. that they didn't make mistakes of their own). I said they're justified in moving.
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