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Post by babybacksets on May 24, 2023 18:36:04 GMT -5
Y'all are crazy. Juniors volleyball players are used to flying from LA to Orlando or Atlanta to Reno for tournaments. Chartering a 4-hour flight to road matches is not going move the needle in recruiting. And playing the best competition in front of the biggest crowds in the country will absolutely help. Now if you're asking about softball? That's a tougher sell. UCLA will have to fly to the upper midwest in March and April to play mediocre competition. Yea softball is where I think UCLA will definitely feel the hurt. Especially after things ended this year, would not be surprised to see another multi year lull in the Bruin softball program. For Volleyball though I think it’s a for sure benefit. Athletes don’t have as much of an issue with travel as people on here seem to think they do.
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Post by bbg95 on May 24, 2023 22:11:14 GMT -5
Y'all are crazy. Juniors volleyball players are used to flying from LA to Orlando or Atlanta to Reno for tournaments. Chartering a 4-hour flight to road matches is not going move the needle in recruiting. And playing the best competition in front of the biggest crowds in the country will absolutely help. Now if you're asking about softball? That's a tougher sell. UCLA will have to fly to the upper midwest in March and April to play mediocre competition. Right. I've yet to hear why, "You get to play volleyball in the Big Ten and live in LA at the same time," won't be a great recruiting pitch.
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Post by Mark Richards on May 24, 2023 22:24:31 GMT -5
Y'all are crazy. Juniors volleyball players are used to flying from LA to Orlando or Atlanta to Reno for tournaments. Chartering a 4-hour flight to road matches is not going move the needle in recruiting. And playing the best competition in front of the biggest crowds in the country will absolutely help. Now if you're asking about softball? That's a tougher sell. UCLA will have to fly to the upper midwest in March and April to play mediocre competition. Right. I've yet to hear why, "You get to play volleyball in the Big Ten and live in LA at the same time," won't be a great recruiting pitch. .................or I can go to Stanford, Oregon, San Diego, Pepperdine or Washington and play most of my match's on the west coast with a reasonable travel schedule so I can still be a college student and still go the NCAA's almost every year.
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Post by n00b on May 24, 2023 23:47:53 GMT -5
Right. I've yet to hear why, "You get to play volleyball in the Big Ten and live in LA at the same time," won't be a great recruiting pitch. .................or I can go to Stanford, Oregon, San Diego, Pepperdine or Washington and play most of my match's on the west coast with a reasonable travel schedule so I can still be a college student and still go the NCAA's almost every year. It’s a chartered 5-hour flight versus a commercial 2.5 hour flight every other weekend. The difference in travel schedule and ability to be a college student is negligible.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 25, 2023 0:26:42 GMT -5
.................or I can go to Stanford, Oregon, San Diego, Pepperdine or Washington and play most of my match's on the west coast with a reasonable travel schedule so I can still be a college student and still go the NCAA's almost every year. It’s a chartered 5-hour flight versus a commercial 2.5 hour flight every other weekend. The difference in travel schedule and ability to be a college student is negligible. Interesting switcharoo there. Why assume travel up and down the West Coast would be commercial but to the Midwest would be charter? I mean, if they are willing to charter flights to one place, why not the other? Or vice versa if they aren't willing to pay for charter flights?
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Post by n00b on May 25, 2023 0:33:44 GMT -5
It’s a chartered 5-hour flight versus a commercial 2.5 hour flight every other weekend. The difference in travel schedule and ability to be a college student is negligible. Interesting switcharoo there. Why assume travel up and down the West Coast would be commercial but to the Midwest would be charter? I mean, if they are willing to charter flights to one place, why not the other? Or vice versa if they aren't willing to pay for charter flights? That’s what an extra $50 million per year from the conference can pay for. At least I would hope so.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 25, 2023 0:37:15 GMT -5
Interesting switcharoo there. Why assume travel up and down the West Coast would be commercial but to the Midwest would be charter? I mean, if they are willing to charter flights to one place, why not the other? Or vice versa if they aren't willing to pay for charter flights? That’s what an extra $50 million per year from the conference can pay for. At least I would hope so. I thought the point was to make more money, not to spend more money.
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Post by n00b on May 25, 2023 1:00:50 GMT -5
That’s what an extra $50 million per year from the conference can pay for. At least I would hope so. I thought the point was to make more money, not to spend more money. I actually think the point IS to spend more money. Current Big Ten and SEC schools spend gobs of money on making the student athlete experience luxurious, I don’t see why USC and UCLA wouldn’t. In fact, the student athletes should throw a fit if they don’t.
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Post by jgoodson on May 25, 2023 2:21:48 GMT -5
The Big Ten is aware that USC and UCLA alone in the west is not sustainable and that more PAC 12 schools will need to be added. They are just waiting for a catalyst such as Colorado leaving before doing anything. This is from the Nebraska President, Ted Carter (article dated 5/21/23). www.outkick.com/nebraska-ted-carter-expansion-speculation-oregon-washington/“How big should (Big Ten) be? Do we need 4 more Pac-12 teams? … I think we have another year or 2 of the status quo w/few minor changes. But I think over next year there’s going to be a lot of big changes that are going to happen. 2 teams that move from 1 of the Power 5 conferences that cause things to unravel. There’s a domino effect. 1 team leaves (the ACC) it has a domino effect. Same w/(teams leaving) the Pac-12,” Carter explained during an interview with Tom Shatel. The Northwestern President, Michael Schill, had this to say about USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten (5/24/23). www.outkick.com/northwestern-michael-schill-big-ten-expansion-usc-ucla/Schill discussed the subject during a Monday Northwestern faculty assembly meeting, according to The Daily Northwestern, and made it clear he’s “not really thrilled” with the additions. He noted he remains “skeptical about the initial decision,” but left the door open to more West Coast teams coming in order to cut down on travel time. The Big Ten could add 4 teams for twenty and have a Big Ten West and East for non-revenue sports. Or add 5 teams for 21 and have a Big Ten West, Central and East. Then if the ACC figures a way to split, then add North Carolina, Virginia and Notre Dame for a total of 24. That would be a good end result (for the Big Ten). For non-revenue sports, for example, if the Big Ten added Washington, Oregon, Utah, Stanford and one of the Arizona schools and had a 7 team west division, that division could play games among the group, schedule a couple or 3 trips to play Central and East teams and have a significant schedule on non-conference games with relatively close by schools. Then have a conference tournament to identify a conference champion. Trips east could be for Wednesday/ Saturday matches and include an educational travel component and the overall travel would be manageable and the student/athlete experience a positive one (I would think). The current set up with USC and UCLA by themselves is hard to defend from student athlete experience for non-football sports. It can be fixed though, I think. I hope that greed is not too much of a barrier to arriving at a better situation. I have fond memories watching PAC 12 teams going back 50 years or so and would like to see the schools do well. From my view, schools such as Washington State, Oregon State (Mountain West) and Cal (Big West ?) would be better served being in a conference where they could be more consistently competitive. I would think that the students on campus would get more enjoyment from their sports teams. Could be wrong though.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 25, 2023 7:32:41 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/acc-amends-revenue-distribution-model-incentivizing-postseason-success-for-money-making-sports/Here is a potential blueprint for the PAC to institute unequal revenue and keep the thing together. Essentially - this is an equal share on Tier 1 revenue, but it is the next level revenue that will be based on 'earned'. Things like bowl appearances, CFP games, and NCAA basketball tournament games that would award the school bringing in the money and not collectively shared by all in the conference. This may be why/how Washington State would be freezing spending and cutting staff right now and other PAC schools haven't announced anything like this yet.
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Post by bbg95 on May 25, 2023 8:16:49 GMT -5
The Big Ten is aware that USC and UCLA alone in the west is not sustainable and that more PAC 12 schools will need to be added. They are just waiting for a catalyst such as Colorado leaving before doing anything. This is from the Nebraska President, Ted Carter (article dated 5/21/23). www.outkick.com/nebraska-ted-carter-expansion-speculation-oregon-washington/“How big should (Big Ten) be? Do we need 4 more Pac-12 teams? … I think we have another year or 2 of the status quo w/few minor changes. But I think over next year there’s going to be a lot of big changes that are going to happen. 2 teams that move from 1 of the Power 5 conferences that cause things to unravel. There’s a domino effect. 1 team leaves (the ACC) it has a domino effect. Same w/(teams leaving) the Pac-12,” Carter explained during an interview with Tom Shatel. The Northwestern President, Michael Schill, had this to say about USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten (5/24/23). www.outkick.com/northwestern-michael-schill-big-ten-expansion-usc-ucla/Schill discussed the subject during a Monday Northwestern faculty assembly meeting, according to The Daily Northwestern, and made it clear he’s “not really thrilled” with the additions. He noted he remains “skeptical about the initial decision,” but left the door open to more West Coast teams coming in order to cut down on travel time. The Big Ten could add 4 teams for twenty and have a Big Ten West and East for non-revenue sports. Or add 5 teams for 21 and have a Big Ten West, Central and East. Then if the ACC figures a way to split, then add North Carolina, Virginia and Notre Dame for a total of 24. That would be a good end result (for the Big Ten). For non-revenue sports, for example, if the Big Ten added Washington, Oregon, Utah, Stanford and one of the Arizona schools and had a 7 team west division, that division could play games among the group, schedule a couple or 3 trips to play Central and East teams and have a significant schedule on non-conference games with relatively close by schools. Then have a conference tournament to identify a conference champion. Trips east could be for Wednesday/ Saturday matches and include an educational travel component and the overall travel would be manageable and the student/athlete experience a positive one (I would think). The current set up with USC and UCLA by themselves is hard to defend from student athlete experience for non-football sports. It can be fixed though, I think. I hope that greed is not too much of a barrier to arriving at a better situation. I have fond memories watching PAC 12 teams going back 50 years or so and would like to see the schools do well. From my view, schools such as Washington State, Oregon State (Mountain West) and Cal (Big West ?) would be better served being in a conference where they could be more consistently competitive. I would think that the students on campus would get more enjoyment from their sports teams. Could be wrong though. I'll believe it when I see it. Again, adding more Pac-12 schools actually makes the travel for existing Big Ten members worse, not better. Right now, all they have to do in non-revenue sports like volleyball is simply have Wisconsin or whoever play both USC and UCLA on the same trip to LA.
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Post by n00b on May 25, 2023 8:33:33 GMT -5
The Big Ten is aware that USC and UCLA alone in the west is not sustainable I don’t get this. Why isn’t it sustainable? Existing Big Ten teams will take one trip to LA every other year. And the LA teams signed up for this. Why would the 14 other schools be for adding MORE travel to the west coast?
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Post by stevehorn on May 25, 2023 9:35:14 GMT -5
.................or I can go to Stanford, Oregon, San Diego, Pepperdine or Washington and play most of my match's on the west coast with a reasonable travel schedule so I can still be a college student and still go the NCAA's almost every year. It’s a chartered 5-hour flight versus a commercial 2.5 hour flight every other weekend. The difference in travel schedule and ability to be a college student is negligible. Quite likely many of the chartered flights will involve less travel time (from assembling at the campus to drop off at the hotel) than the same for the "shorter" commercial flight.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 25, 2023 9:57:11 GMT -5
The current set up with USC and UCLA by themselves is hard to defend from student athlete experience for non-football sports. It can be fixed though, I think. I hope that greed is not too much of a barrier to arriving at a better situation. OMG that is hilarious. Greed from the Big 10 and the LA schools is the entire reason for this, and you are blaming greed from the other schools if they don't step in to fix the consequences of the Big 10's decision by donating their "non-revenue sports" to the Big 10 in order to establish a "non-revenue" Big 10 West?
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Post by Mark Richards on May 25, 2023 12:14:48 GMT -5
.................or I can go to Stanford, Oregon, San Diego, Pepperdine or Washington and play most of my match's on the west coast with a reasonable travel schedule so I can still be a college student and still go the NCAA's almost every year. It’s a chartered 5-hour flight versus a commercial 2.5 hour flight every other weekend. The difference in travel schedule and ability to be a college student is negligible. 10 hours round trip as long as there are no delays plus time in vans or other from airport to arena or hotel add another 2 hours. So every other week they spend at least 12 hours traveling on top of being full time students with heavy work loads. No big deal.
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