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Post by bbg95 on Nov 15, 2023 12:47:46 GMT -5
USC started all of this. Pure money grab. Next season their football team will be lucky to a .500 team. Next season their WVB team with no Fields will be................. Really unrelated to this thread - but isn't the USC recruiting pipeline outstanding. I don't know their specific roster for next season - but if there are any holes, I bet they will easily be able to fill with transfers. edit - talking VB here. Lol, I had a response about football all typed out and then I realized (before you added the edit) that you were probably talking about volleyball.
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on Nov 15, 2023 14:02:17 GMT -5
USC started all of this. Pure money grab. Next season their football team will be lucky to a .500 team. Next season their WVB team with no Fields will be................. Really unrelated to this thread This thread would not exist if USC did not take the money and run to their new conference. USC initiated the break up of the Pac 12. The Pac 12 would still exist next season.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 15, 2023 14:21:43 GMT -5
Really unrelated to this thread This thread would not exist if USC did not take the money and run to their new conference. USC initiated the break up of the Pac 12. The Pac 12 would still exist next season. Sorry - I wasn't implying what you wrote as being unrelated. I was referring to what I wrote as being unrelated to this thread.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 15, 2023 14:46:07 GMT -5
tomclen I know how you feel about USC in general and I have to admit that what USC is doing is going to be a disaster for the athletic department.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 15, 2023 14:55:38 GMT -5
USC started all of this. Pure money grab. Next season their football team will be lucky to a .500 team. Next season their WVB team with no Fields will be................. Really unrelated to this thread - but isn't the USC recruiting pipeline outstanding. I don't know their specific roster for next season - but if there are any holes, I bet they will easily be able to fill with transfers. edit - talking VB here. They have some solid recruits for sure coming in. Able to replace fields? probably not, but no one can. If my hunch is right and I think who is transferring, I would think USC would be first on her list as well. Brad can recruit with the best of them
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Post by hammer on Nov 15, 2023 15:34:06 GMT -5
USC started all of this. Pure money grab. Next season their football team will be lucky to a .500 team. Next season their WVB team with no Fields will be................. Really unrelated to this thread - but isn't the USC recruiting pipeline outstanding. I don't know their specific roster for next season - but if there are any holes, I bet they will easily be able to fill with transfers. edit - talking VB here.
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Post by luckydawg on Nov 15, 2023 17:45:01 GMT -5
No but the person I responded to did. And I've seen quite a few WSU and OSU fans say it or something similar. They're pissed that Stanford and Cal left them. I understand feeling betrayed but I don't understand why they think Stanford or Cal are some kind of traitors for leaving. Staying in the Pac-4 did not work for them any more than going to the ACC worked for WSU or OSU. I don't see any bad guys there, just four universities in a %*$#ty situation scrambling for something that would let them keep their programs afloat as much as possible. Unfortunately, that was two different things so they ended up going in different directions. If I was somehow required to develop a list of the Top 10 "Villains" in the PAC debacle, this would be my list: 1. Larry Scott 2. Every PAC college president who allowed Scott to underperform while being overcompensated ($50M over 13 years). 3. USC 4. George Kliavkoff with his $3.6M annual salary. 5. PAC12 Network (See #1 & #4) 6. Major TV networks that demanded PAC12 Football be scheduled at 10p in Eastern time zone. 7. ADs and college administrators who allowed #6 to happen repeatedly season after season. 8. UW 9. UO 10. Stanford (For not throwing around their weight more to improve the network and scheduling issues). Mostly right on. Except: 3. UCLA equally at fault; 6. Pac schools agreed to this as part of their media rights deal. Can't blame the networks for doing it; 7. (See #6, or negotiate a reduction in revenue); 8 & 9: Colorado bailed before UW or Oregon. Utah, ASU and AZ weren't far behind; 10. In this area Stanford has no weight to throw around. No football support or viewership. If they had any value they would not be taking a 30% rights share to join the ACC.
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Post by luckydawg on Nov 15, 2023 17:51:52 GMT -5
I only asked how Stanford or Cal were greedy. I never suggested that they were heroes or had much clout with the ACC. But I don't understand how asking if WSU or OSU wanted to go to the ACC along with Cal and Stanford, then going alone when they said "no" makes them greedy. Maybe an over generalization on a per team basis and the degree on which they bolted for bucks, but who cares, the fact of the matter is the PAC-12 was parred down to two schools because of money. Two schools who are willing to fight to keep the league in existence and willing to go the course in continuing the PAC-12s storied tradition. Over glamorization of WSU and OSU's situation. They're not in this position voluntarily and would have happily left the Pac given anything near the offers most of the other schools received. They're are not fighting to continue the Pac, they're fighting to do what is best for themselves. Just like 10 other schools did.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Nov 15, 2023 19:24:25 GMT -5
Maybe an over generalization on a per team basis and the degree on which they bolted for bucks, but who cares, the fact of the matter is the PAC-12 was parred down to two schools because of money. Two schools who are willing to fight to keep the league in existence and willing to go the course in continuing the PAC-12s storied tradition. Over glamorization of WSU and OSU's situation. They're not in this position voluntarily and would have happily left the Pac given anything near the offers most of the other schools received. They're are not fighting to continue the Pac, they're fighting to do what is best for themselves. Just like 10 other schools did. So what, the fact is they're the ones keeping the mantle burning. They're the ones that will go down in the annals of history as the saviors of the PAC.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 15, 2023 19:31:44 GMT -5
The fact is, the two schools right now are the only ones who have any rights as to the Pac-12 conference's brand. The judge has so ordered. Of course there will be appeals, but until it is resolved, OSU and WSU can make future plans as they see fit in order to keep the conference going.
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Post by luckydawg on Nov 15, 2023 21:42:19 GMT -5
Over glamorization of WSU and OSU's situation. They're not in this position voluntarily and would have happily left the Pac given anything near the offers most of the other schools received. They're are not fighting to continue the Pac, they're fighting to do what is best for themselves. Just like 10 other schools did. So what, the fact is they're the ones keeping the mantle burning. They're the ones that will go down in the annals of history as the saviors of the PAC. Might be a little bit early on that assessment. The Pac has traditionally been made up of the West's premiere universities. Now it will be another Group Of Five (soon to be six) conference. You can call the Mountain West whatever you want, but its still the Mountain West plus two former Pac schools.
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Post by horns1 on Nov 15, 2023 22:26:44 GMT -5
Over glamorization of WSU and OSU's situation. They're not in this position voluntarily and would have happily left the Pac given anything near the offers most of the other schools received. They're are not fighting to continue the Pac, they're fighting to do what is best for themselves. Just like 10 other schools did. So what, the fact is they're the ones keeping the mantle burning. They're the ones that will go down in the annals of history as the saviors of the PAC. The fact is they had zero other options . . .
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Nov 16, 2023 2:20:06 GMT -5
So what, the fact is they're the ones keeping the mantle burning. They're the ones that will go down in the annals of history as the saviors of the PAC. The fact is they had zero other options . . . You know what they say, 'Necessity is the mother of invention'. On to great things this conference will be.
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 16, 2023 11:23:31 GMT -5
Nothing like having a beautiful 50-degree Saturday afternoon, and then going to mostly uncovered Husky Stadium for a rainy cold 7:30 football game and getting to your car, drenched, at 12 midnight. Color and pageantry of college football my ass. Well I've been to an evening SEC football game and it was ELECTRIC. Penn State football's biggest, rowdiest, best crowd of the season is always an evening white out game. If Washington has a crappy atmosphere, that's on them. Yeah, Penn State's white out game at night is legendary. LSU will host 100k in the stadium and another 80-100k just tailgating and they all leave well after midnight. If you build it, they will come... they have everywhere else. Or if you cannot fill your stadium, schedule an SEC team. 20,000 RV's with Tennessee plates are just a phone call away.
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 16, 2023 11:43:34 GMT -5
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