Sound of freedom trounces Indiana Jones

[bluepenquin]

Jul 17, 2023 12:48:35 GMT -5 mikegarrison said:

The production company, Angel Studios, is mainly known for producing movies aimed at Evangelicals. They are marketing the movie to Evangelicals not really because it is a "Christian movie" but because that's who they know how to market movies to.

Also, how Fing offensive to imply that sexual slavery "is of great importance to Evangelicals" as if it is not repugnant to everyone else, too.

Wait - how did I implied that at all.  I just said that this topic is huge to Evangelicals and will get them to move (like abortion) to see a movie.  It is a subject I will hear in a sermon about 100X more often than Abortion (which I have never heard a sermon on that topic, so I guess the math wouldn't work with a denominator of zero).  This said nothing about people who aren't Evangelicals.

I am familiar with Angel Studios - I love 'The Chosen' (ironically, I have some Evangelical friends who do not like 'The Chosen' or Angel Studios because of some lack of purity, which is rather stupid).  I am sure that Angel producing is helping to get many Evangelicals out to see it.  I bet it would have gotten the same traction from Evangelicals if it had been released by a major studio 5 years ago.

[staticb]

Jul 17, 2023 11:31:26 GMT -5 bluepenquin said:

There are other very good movies on this subject - even Christian movies like 'Priceless' (which I really liked). Not sure how 'Sound of Freedom' should be considered the definitive movie on this subject. Heck - 'Slumdog Millionaire' (which I think was a great movie) hit on some of these same themes. But if this movie is going to create real awareness - then I am very much good with that.

The movie itself is pretty non-political. (written before QAnon and the like)

The danger would happen when people think this is the "definitive movie" on this subject.  Mainly because the cast depicted (after alterations) is a less than 1% case and has been totally Hollywood'ized.   People think child trafficking cases are actually like this and someone is going to snatch their child at a picnic. (99% of child trafficking victims that were trafficked by family members or an intimate partner)

Here's an old article how QAnon was making the issue actually worse:

www.huffpost.com/entry/how-qanon-impedes-legitimate-anti-trafficking-groups_n_5f4eacb9c5b69eb5c03592d1

It becomes political when people believe that building a wall would significantly help, for example.

I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and the 90% of the people who watch this movie can watch with a critical eye and enjoy it like a normal movie.  Various forums I'm on have been brigaded with the "This is the most important movie of our time!" type of drivel, it's that % that's probably concerning.

[BearClause]

Jul 17, 2023 12:48:35 GMT -5 mikegarrison said:

The production company, Angel Studios, is mainly known for producing movies aimed at Evangelicals. They are marketing the movie to Evangelicals not really because it is a "Christian movie" but because that's who they know how to market movies to.

Also, how Fing offensive to imply that sexual slavery "is of great importance to Evangelicals" as if it is not repugnant to everyone else, too.

In this case they're not even a production company for this particular movie.  They just bought the distribution rights that The Walt Disney Company sold off after they purchased 20th Century Fox and declined to distribute it.  I doubt that Angel Studios had much editorial input on it, although I suppose they could have requested various edits of material that was already in the can.

[HOLIDAY]

Jul 17, 2023 13:18:00 GMT -5 staticb said:

Jul 17, 2023 11:31:26 GMT -5 bluepenquin said:

There are other very good movies on this subject - even Christian movies like 'Priceless' (which I really liked). Not sure how 'Sound of Freedom' should be considered the definitive movie on this subject. Heck - 'Slumdog Millionaire' (which I think was a great movie) hit on some of these same themes. But if this movie is going to create real awareness - then I am very much good with that.

The movie itself is pretty non-political. (written before QAnon and the like)

The danger would happen when people think this is the "definitive movie" on this subject.  Mainly because the cast depicted (after alterations) is a less than 1% case and has been totally Hollywood'ized.   People think child trafficking cases are actually like this and someone is going to snatch their child at a picnic. (99% of child trafficking victims that were trafficked by family members or an intimate partner)

Here's an old article how QAnon was making the issue actually worse:

www.huffpost.com/entry/how-qanon-impedes-legitimate-anti-trafficking-groups_n_5f4eacb9c5b69eb5c03592d1

It becomes political when people believe that building a wall would significantly help, for example.

I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and the 90% of the people who watch this movie can watch with a critical eye and enjoy it like a normal movie.  Various forums I'm on have been brigaded with the "This is the most important movie of our time!" type of drivel, it's that % that's probably concerning.

The Huffington post is trash. For you to use that in a debate? Come on!
. You guys keep ignoring one simple thing. This subject is terribly important. Who cares if it makes parents more paranoid about protecting their children. At least they’re aware. This is not about you or me or Republicans or Democrats. This is about making sure our children are safe in a world that has some really lousy people.

[jsquare]

Jul 17, 2023 13:25:08 GMT -5 HOLIDAY said:

Jul 17, 2023 13:18:00 GMT -5 staticb said:

The movie itself is pretty non-political. (written before QAnon and the like)

The danger would happen when people think this is the "definitive movie" on this subject.  Mainly because the cast depicted (after alterations) is a less than 1% case and has been totally Hollywood'ized.   People think child trafficking cases are actually like this and someone is going to snatch their child at a picnic. (99% of child trafficking victims that were trafficked by family members or an intimate partner)

Here's an old article how QAnon was making the issue actually worse:

www.huffpost.com/entry/how-qanon-impedes-legitimate-anti-trafficking-groups_n_5f4eacb9c5b69eb5c03592d1

It becomes political when people believe that building a wall would significantly help, for example.

I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and the 90% of the people who watch this movie can watch with a critical eye and enjoy it like a normal movie.  Various forums I'm on have been brigaded with the "This is the most important movie of our time!" type of drivel, it's that % that's probably concerning.

The Huffington post is trash. For you to use that in a debate? Come on!
. You guys keep ignoring one simple thing. This subject is terribly important. Who cares if it makes parents more paranoid about protecting their children. At least they’re aware. This is not about you or me or Republicans or Democrats. This is about making sure our children are safe in a world that has some really lousy people.

This, from the guy that used Project Veritas as a source.  

and no one is arguing that child sex trafficking is unimportant.  I don't think that a movie will have much impact in bringing about awareness.

What would you say is more threatening to children.  Sex trafficking or gun violence?

[mervinswerved]

Jul 17, 2023 13:25:08 GMT -5 HOLIDAY said:

Jul 17, 2023 13:18:00 GMT -5 staticb said:

The movie itself is pretty non-political. (written before QAnon and the like)

The danger would happen when people think this is the "definitive movie" on this subject.  Mainly because the cast depicted (after alterations) is a less than 1% case and has been totally Hollywood'ized.   People think child trafficking cases are actually like this and someone is going to snatch their child at a picnic. (99% of child trafficking victims that were trafficked by family members or an intimate partner)

Here's an old article how QAnon was making the issue actually worse:

www.huffpost.com/entry/how-qanon-impedes-legitimate-anti-trafficking-groups_n_5f4eacb9c5b69eb5c03592d1

It becomes political when people believe that building a wall would significantly help, for example.

I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and the 90% of the people who watch this movie can watch with a critical eye and enjoy it like a normal movie.  Various forums I'm on have been brigaded with the "This is the most important movie of our time!" type of drivel, it's that % that's probably concerning.

The Huffington post is trash. For you to use that in a debate? Come on!
. You guys keep ignoring one simple thing. This subject is terribly important. Who cares if it makes parents more paranoid about protecting their children. At least they’re aware. This is not about you or me or Republicans or Democrats. This is about making sure our children are safe in a world that has some really lousy people.

The chances of a child being abducted by a stranger are so miniscule they're effectively zero. Parents who are paranoid about their children being abducted and sold into sex slavery should seek professional help.

[mikegarrison]

The vast majority of children who are sexually abused are abused by family members and close family friends. If you think about it, of course that is true, because those are the only people who have routine access to the kids.

Elizabeth Smart type cases, where someone just kidnaps a child, are very rare. And yet, these very rare cases are the ones that parents obsess about.

The other main risk besides family and family friends is (ironically) for kids who have no functional family to protect them. Runaways, abandoned kids, orphans, children of mentally ill or addicted parents, etc.

In most cases the abusers are looking for kids who will not report them to anyone. So either they have a position of authority (parent, pastor, coach, close relative, family friend) or they pick kids who have no one to report things to (kids on their own).

[Mocha]

Of course Republicans didn’t like Dial of Destiny, Indiana Jones is fighting the Nazis.

[bluepenquin]

Jul 17, 2023 13:23:21 GMT -5 BearClause said:

Jul 17, 2023 12:48:35 GMT -5 mikegarrison said:

The production company, Angel Studios, is mainly known for producing movies aimed at Evangelicals. They are marketing the movie to Evangelicals not really because it is a "Christian movie" but because that's who they know how to market movies to.

Also, how Fing offensive to imply that sexual slavery "is of great importance to Evangelicals" as if it is not repugnant to everyone else, too.

In this case they're not even a production company for this particular movie.  They just bought the distribution rights that The Walt Disney Company sold off after they purchased 20th Century Fox and declined to distribute it.  I doubt that Angel Studios had much editorial input on it, although I suppose they could have requested various edits of material that was already in the can.

I don't think MG was saying that Angel Studios altered the content - but that they would market the movie differently.  I believe this is true on both accounts.

[geddyleeridesagain]

Jul 17, 2023 15:13:56 GMT -5 Mocha said:

Of course Republicans didn’t like Dial of Destiny, Indiana Jones is fighting the Nazis.

[bluepenquin]

BTW, the movie specifically only involves trafficking of children occurring in 3rd world nations and being spread throughout the world. The storyline didn't involve any US children or abductions occurring in the US.

Not to give away the movie - but Homeland Security would/does catch pedophiles in the US. In this movie - the main guy was struggling with his job with Homeland Security - arresting the pedophile still leaves the child in harm's way. So, he took it upon himself to find and free children. Kind of like 'Taken' (not a true story), kind of like 'Argo' (a true story). It is not full on Rambo (like 'Taken') and more figuring out how to accomplish a mission w/o weapons/guns (like 'Argo'). It is a pretty incredible story based on true events.

[mikegarrison]

Jul 17, 2023 15:27:22 GMT -5 bluepenquin said:

It is a pretty incredible story based on true events.

There is some question about that "based on true events" claim. It is based on a real person, Tim Ballard, who has claimed he has done certain things, but independent investigation has cast some doubt about his claims.

Operation Underground Railroad does not disclose their financial information, so it's unclear to what extent they are a legit charity or a scam. They also have been accused of going into other countries and just kind of grabbing any sex workers they can, without discriminating between those who have been trafficked and those who were in it voluntarily.

Other organizations (governmental and non-governmental) have alleged that OUR are basically glory-hounds, looking to make splashy raids that might or might not actually be rescuing trafficking victims but that don't work to effectively stop the practice or break down the criminal organizations behind it. OUR says otherwise, that they are conducting direct action that other organizations are too hesitant to take.

Of course, the movie was drawn from Ballard's own books about himself, so it's not likely to reflect opposing points of view.

[bluepenquin]

Jul 17, 2023 16:13:21 GMT -5 mikegarrison said:

Jul 17, 2023 15:27:22 GMT -5 bluepenquin said:

It is a pretty incredible story based on true events.

Operation Underground Railroad does not disclose their financial information, so it's unclear to what extent they are a legit charity or a scam. They also have been accused of going into other countries and just kind of grabbing any sex workers they can, without discriminating between those who have been trafficked and those who were in it voluntarily.

Is there such a thing as a volunteered 10 year old kid in the porn/sex business as opposed to one that is being trafficked? 

[mikegarrison]

Jul 17, 2023 17:09:02 GMT -5 bluepenquin said:

Jul 17, 2023 16:13:21 GMT -5 mikegarrison said:

Operation Underground Railroad does not disclose their financial information, so it's unclear to what extent they are a legit charity or a scam. They also have been accused of going into other countries and just kind of grabbing any sex workers they can, without discriminating between those who have been trafficked and those who were in it voluntarily.

Is there such a thing as a volunteered 10 year old kid in the porn/sex business as opposed to one that is being trafficked? 

No obviously not a 10-yr-old. That fails the basic definition of "consent". But OUR did not limit their activities to children.

[leftcoaster71]

Jul 17, 2023 13:25:08 GMT -5 HOLIDAY said:

Jul 17, 2023 13:18:00 GMT -5 staticb said:

The movie itself is pretty non-political. (written before QAnon and the like)

The danger would happen when people think this is the "definitive movie" on this subject.  Mainly because the cast depicted (after alterations) is a less than 1% case and has been totally Hollywood'ized.   People think child trafficking cases are actually like this and someone is going to snatch their child at a picnic. (99% of child trafficking victims that were trafficked by family members or an intimate partner)

Here's an old article how QAnon was making the issue actually worse:

www.huffpost.com/entry/how-qanon-impedes-legitimate-anti-trafficking-groups_n_5f4eacb9c5b69eb5c03592d1

It becomes political when people believe that building a wall would significantly help, for example.

I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and the 90% of the people who watch this movie can watch with a critical eye and enjoy it like a normal movie.  Various forums I'm on have been brigaded with the "This is the most important movie of our time!" type of drivel, it's that % that's probably concerning.

The Huffington post is trash. For you to use that in a debate? Come on!
. You guys keep ignoring one simple thing. This subject is terribly important. Who cares if it makes parents more paranoid about protecting their children. At least they’re aware. This is not about you or me or Republicans or Democrats. This is about making sure our children are safe in a world that has some really lousy people.

Paranoia is not a good thing. Common sense would tell you that.