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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 7, 2023 11:09:48 GMT -5
A bit of a health update before the weekend's matches. Both Baird and Kipp are somewhat sore re: their recent minor injuries, but they are "a go" for Ohio St. Rest of the team came through in great shape. |
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Post by baytree on Sept 7, 2023 11:20:49 GMT -5
Evidence right now indicates that both the very experienced Oregon and Stanford squads will go 2-0, but admittedly there isn't that much evidence. But, Minny is going to be desperate for a win and clearly they have the talent level to secure one. OTOH, the Ohio St is younger and isn't as loaded as Minny, therefore it's going to be a tough hill for them to climb. I agree. One advantage for Minnesota is that K Cook is familiar w the Stanford and Oregon teams. The only differences for Stanford from last season are that Francis is healthy and we have much better pin depth. For Oregon, the main differences are Gabby Gonzales and Kara McGhee. I wonder how much of an advantage that gives Minnesota. |
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 7, 2023 11:49:46 GMT -5
Evidence right now indicates that both the very experienced Oregon and Stanford squads will go 2-0, but admittedly there isn't that much evidence. But, Minny is going to be desperate for a win and clearly they have the talent level to secure one. OTOH, the Ohio St is younger and isn't as loaded as Minny, therefore it's going to be a tough hill for them to climb. I agree. One advantage for Minnesota is that K Cook is familiar w the Stanford and Oregon teams. The only differences for Stanford from last season are that Francis is healthy and we have much better pin depth. For Oregon, the main differences are Gabby Gonzales and Kara McGhee. I wonder how much of an advantage that gives Minnesota. Another difference from both this past season and this one: in viewing stats and watching the Rice matchup, I noticed that Hambly didn't use Beaven, Belardi or Kirsch as DSs and serving subs. Only Pringle, whose excellent serving was a definite force and attribute in that match. Will be interesting to follow... |
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Post by JJVb on Sept 7, 2023 11:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 8, 2023 11:32:09 GMT -5
GAMEDAY: Ohio State versus Stanford in 12 hours. tOSU is a pretty young squad after some turnover. Will they win a set? Will SU be better after playing a fairly meh match vs. Rice? As always, stay tuned! |
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Post by hammer on Sept 8, 2023 13:20:47 GMT -5
Expect a crowd of well over 1,000 tonight at Maples. With no band and Dollies things will really be rocking!  I'm back from Minnesota, so I'll be there for both matches! |
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Post by illinifan21 on Sept 8, 2023 14:07:21 GMT -5
since the pac-12 is basically six feet under can we have totally free accessible streams to these matches pls and not deal with crappy pac-12 networks thx
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Post by baytree on Sept 8, 2023 14:48:03 GMT -5
since the pac-12 is basically six feet under can we have totally free accessible streams to these matches pls and not deal with crappy pac-12 networks thx WSU and OSU need all the money they can get right now |
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Post by hammer on Sept 8, 2023 15:01:40 GMT -5
since the pac-12 is basically six feet under can we have totally free accessible streams to these matches pls and not deal with crappy pac-12 networks thx I found someone at the Pac- 12 HQ to respond ...  |
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Post by dokterrudi on Sept 8, 2023 15:02:29 GMT -5
I agree. One advantage for Minnesota is that K Cook is familiar w the Stanford and Oregon teams. The only differences for Stanford from last season are that Francis is healthy and we have much better pin depth. For Oregon, the main differences are Gabby Gonzales and Kara McGhee. I wonder how much of an advantage that gives Minnesota. Another difference from both this past season and this one: in viewing stats and watching the Rice matchup, I noticed that Hambly didn't use Beaven, Belardi or Kirsch as DSs and serving subs. Only Pringle, whose excellent serving was a definite force and attribute in that match. Will be interesting to follow... Beaven has never pulled it all together. Slow to the ball and misreads. |
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Post by JT on Sept 8, 2023 15:09:49 GMT -5
since the pac-12 is basically six feet under can we have totally free accessible streams to these matches pls and not deal with crappy pac-12 networks thx “Since the entity that benefits financially is going away in a year, why can’t y’all just work for free, and spend the money you aren’t getting any more on providing the uplink and broadcast services?” |
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 8, 2023 16:14:30 GMT -5
since the pac-12 is basically six feet under can we have totally free accessible streams to these matches pls and not deal with crappy pac-12 networks thx WSU and OSU need all the money they can get right now Well, I just read something which might require more $ for the remaining Pac-2. Two somethings, actually: 1) OSU + WSU just sued the Pac-12; and 2) They and the MWC may do a "reverse merger", where the MW merges into the PAC...this involves "proprietary interests" and "residual intellectual property". I am NOT the one to do links (no clue how) but I'm sure some cyber-hounds can look this up and post. |
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Post by baytree on Sept 8, 2023 16:20:27 GMT -5
WSU and OSU need all the money they can get right now Well, I just read something which might require more $ for the remaining Pac-2. Two somethings, actually: 1) OSU + WSU just sued the Pac-12; and 2) They and the MWC may do a "reverse merger", where the MW merges into the PAC...this involves "proprietary interests" and "residual intellectual property". I am NOT the one to do links (no clue how) but I'm sure some cyber-hounds can look this up and post. They've been talking about a reverse merger since Washington, Oregon, and Colorado left. It probably makes the most sense financially but that depends on how the remaining assets are split. No one seems to know for sure but the lawyers and accountants are looking closely at it. It seems likely that WSU and OSU will retain the tournament money that has not yet been paid out (e.g., March Madness shares) and the PAC 12 Network. But the only ppl I've seen discussing it are Wilner and Cazano (or someone quoting them) and they seem pretty clueless about how to read legal documents. (Plus they've said that it seems to be up in the air ATM.)
I said that WSU and OSU need all the money they can get bc OSU and WSU probably will get to keep at least a substantial portion of the PAC 12 Network. But I haven't seen anything definitive and I've been watching it fairly closely. (Could definitely have missed something but most of the stuff I've read about the PAC 12 assets has been crap and not worth paying attention to.)
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 8, 2023 16:27:30 GMT -5
Well, I just read something which might require more $ for the remaining Pac-2. Two somethings, actually: 1) OSU + WSU just sued the Pac-12; and 2) They and the MWC may do a "reverse merger", where the MW merges into the PAC...this involves "proprietary interests" and "residual intellectual property". I am NOT the one to do links (no clue how) but I'm sure some cyber-hounds can look this up and post. They've been talking about a reverse merger since Washington, Oregon, and Colorado left. It probably makes the most sense financially but that depends on how the remaining assets are split. No one seems to know for sure but the lawyers and accountants are looking closely at it. It seems likely that WSU and OSU will retain the tournament money that has not yet been paid out (e.g., March Madness shares) and the PAC 12 Network. But the only ppl I've seen discussing it are Wilner and Cazano (or someone quoting them) and they seem pretty clueless about how to read legal documents. (Plus they've said that it seems to be up in the air ATM.)
I said that WSU and OSU need all the money they can get bc OSU and WSU probably will get to keep at least a substantial portion of the PAC 12 Network. But I haven't seen anything definitive and I've been watching it fairly closely. (Could definitely have missed something but most of the stuff I've read about the PAC 12 assets has been crap and not worth paying attention to.)
Sounds like residual intellectual property/proprietary interests to me! PS: I was typing this as you were writing your edit. The whole deal makes me ill; a 108-year conference imploding over money and "not keeping up with the Joneses" greed. Good luck with attorney's fees! |
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Post by baytree on Sept 8, 2023 16:34:53 GMT -5
They've been talking about a reverse merger since Washington, Oregon, and Colorado left. It probably makes the most sense financially but that depends on how the remaining assets are split. No one seems to know for sure but the lawyers and accountants are looking closely at it. It seems likely that WSU and OSU will retain the tournament money that has not yet been paid out (e.g., March Madness shares) and the PAC 12 Network. But the only ppl I've seen discussing it are Wilner and Cazano (or someone quoting them) and they seem pretty clueless about how to read legal documents. (Plus they've said that it seems to be up in the air ATM.)
I said that WSU and OSU need all the money they can get bc OSU and WSU probably will get to keep at least a substantial portion of the PAC 12 Network. But I haven't seen anything definitive and I've been watching it fairly closely. (Could definitely have missed something but most of the stuff I've read about the PAC 12 assets has been crap and not worth paying attention to.)
Sounds like residual intellectual property/proprietary interests to me! Yes, that's some of the property that will need to be divided. My point is that AFAIK, there is no solid public information about who will get it, although it seems likely that WSU and OSU will keep most of it, assuming they remain in the PAC. But it's still speculation right now and there is some contrary info. I think Schulz, the WSU president, said they would not get a big pot of money like some (cough Wilner) were speculating.
Here's a link to info about the lawsuit
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