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Post by jsquare on Oct 12, 2023 20:08:39 GMT -5
He did once. How about Hakeem Jefferies? Reports are that he’s 10-20 votes shy, but Scalise has never come up for a full vote and Jordan had expressed a willingness to nominate and endorse him. McCarthy and Scalise represent the same faction, and Scalise is more ”likable”. I think it would be close in terms of total votes, but not enough to clinch. No Republican is going to overtly vote for Jefferies. It’s political suicide. any way you look at it, this is a sh!t show.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Oct 12, 2023 21:35:17 GMT -5
Some Republicans now starting to float the idea of cutting a deal with Dems to elect a speaker, which could get interesting. Mike Rogers (chair of the armed forces committee and an influential R voice): “We’re still the majority party, we’re willing to work with them, but they gotta tell us what they need.”However, Mike Rogers' toupee could not be reached for comment: www.yahoo.com/news/top-house-republican-wants-help-194848280.html
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 12, 2023 21:38:09 GMT -5
Car accidents look better than this fiasco.
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 12, 2023 21:39:21 GMT -5
I confess though that I like the name "Scalise." But by default, I like a lot of Italian names.
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 12, 2023 22:09:44 GMT -5
Gonna be Jordan.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Oct 12, 2023 23:32:24 GMT -5
Car accidents look better than this fiasco. My friend this is the way democracy is supposed to work. Let’s be honest, Democrats would have followed Nancy Pelosi right over a cliff and not asked questions.
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Post by cindra on Oct 12, 2023 23:46:33 GMT -5
might not be, news is that he alienated a lot of reps with a less than gracious concession to scalise. Maybe McHenry? Or some Tuesday group rep will pull some dems across the aisle.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 13, 2023 0:08:51 GMT -5
Car accidents look better than this fiasco. My friend this is the way democracy is supposed to work. Let’s be honest, Democrats would have followed Nancy Pelosi right over a cliff and not asked questions. Something like this hasn't happened in our 250 year history. It's happening on your your party's watch. Just own it, Bozo.
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Post by oldnewbie on Oct 13, 2023 0:53:31 GMT -5
Car accidents look better than this fiasco.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 1:07:21 GMT -5
Well this is an interesting turn. Too bad the party essentially ejected Liz Cheney. She'd be an excellent Speaker.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 13, 2023 1:35:40 GMT -5
No Republican is going to overtly vote for Jefferies. It’s political suicide. Not necessarily. Remember that "all Republicans" don't elect people to the House. Districts do. I'm sure there are enough "purple" districts so that GOP reps from those districts could swing the vote for Jefferies. However, they could only do it in a certain context -- an explicit "national coalition" that would guarantee power for Republicans. Probably most of the power, in fact. After all, they still would have the votes to vote out Jeffries any time they wanted to. The big problem for them would likely not be their voters but rather the GOP party re-election funding and support. This would probably end up meaning every committee would get equal membership, or more likely that they would remain GOP controlled. Both sides would have to agree to certain things, probably including no backing down from the budget deal made with Biden. I think there are probably a fair number of Republicans who would love to poke Gaetz in the eye by saying, "You made this happen!" Now will it happen? No, I think not. I don't think there are enough people in the House with the courage to do this. And Jeffries might not even want it, because he would be forced to work deals that would almost certainly piss off the Democrats. It's a lot safer for him to just sit back and wait out the chaos. But ... the thing is, even if people become very unhappy with the GOP being unable to govern the House, that doesn't necessarily mean they will lose the majority in the House. People don't elect "The House", they elect their own Rep. And most of the time they are quite willing to blame "The Government" or "Congress" or "Politicians" while at the same time re-electing "their guy" because he *is* their guy.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 13, 2023 2:25:19 GMT -5
No Republican is going to overtly vote for Jefferies. It’s political suicide. Not necessarily. Remember that "all Republicans" don't elect people to the House. Districts do. I'm sure there are enough "purple" districts so that GOP reps from those districts could swing the vote for Jefferies. However, they could only do it in a certain context -- an explicit "national coalition" that would guarantee power for Republicans. Probably most of the power, in fact. After all, they still would have the votes to vote out Jeffries any time they wanted to. The big problem for them would likely not be their voters but rather the GOP party re-election funding and support. This would probably end up meaning every committee would get equal membership, or more likely that they would remain GOP controlled. Both sides would have to agree to certain things, probably including no backing down from the budget deal made with Biden. I think there are probably a fair number of Republicans who would love to poke Gaetz in the eye by saying, "You made this happen!" Now will it happen? No, I think not. I don't think there are enough people in the House with the courage to do this. And Jeffries might not even want it, because he would be forced to work deals that would almost certainly piss off the Democrats. It's a lot safer for him to just sit back and wait out the chaos. But ... the thing is, even if people become very unhappy with the GOP being unable to govern the House, that doesn't necessarily mean they will lose the majority in the House. People don't elect "The House", they elect their own Rep. And most of the time they are quite willing to blame "The Government" or "Congress" or "Politicians" while at the same time re-electing "their guy" because he *is* their guy. I don’t think there’s any appetite for nuance. McCarthy basically got deposed for compromising with Democrats on a CR to avoid a shutdown, and his 2nd in command wasn’t getting any more support than McCarthy was. In this environment, a temporary or short-term Speaker seems more likely than a permanent Speaker with Democrat support.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 13, 2023 2:44:25 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Remember that "all Republicans" don't elect people to the House. Districts do. I'm sure there are enough "purple" districts so that GOP reps from those districts could swing the vote for Jefferies. However, they could only do it in a certain context -- an explicit "national coalition" that would guarantee power for Republicans. Probably most of the power, in fact. After all, they still would have the votes to vote out Jeffries any time they wanted to. The big problem for them would likely not be their voters but rather the GOP party re-election funding and support. This would probably end up meaning every committee would get equal membership, or more likely that they would remain GOP controlled. Both sides would have to agree to certain things, probably including no backing down from the budget deal made with Biden. I think there are probably a fair number of Republicans who would love to poke Gaetz in the eye by saying, "You made this happen!" Now will it happen? No, I think not. I don't think there are enough people in the House with the courage to do this. And Jeffries might not even want it, because he would be forced to work deals that would almost certainly piss off the Democrats. It's a lot safer for him to just sit back and wait out the chaos. But ... the thing is, even if people become very unhappy with the GOP being unable to govern the House, that doesn't necessarily mean they will lose the majority in the House. People don't elect "The House", they elect their own Rep. And most of the time they are quite willing to blame "The Government" or "Congress" or "Politicians" while at the same time re-electing "their guy" because he *is* their guy. I don’t think there’s any appetite for nuance. McCarthy basically got deposed for compromising with Democrats on a CR to avoid a shutdown, and his 2nd in command wasn’t getting any more support than McCarthy was. In this environment, a temporary or short-term Speaker seems more likely than a permanent Speaker with Democrat support. Like I said, I don't think Jeffries would even want it. As Minority Party they get to blame everything on the GOP. If he were a Minority Party Speaker, he would then have the responsibility but not the power to do anything about it. It's a sucker deal. Far better to have some GOP person in that seat, but to get the same agreement (honoring the terms of the deal made with Biden).
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 13, 2023 2:49:36 GMT -5
McCarthy basically got deposed for compromising with Democrats on a CR to avoid a shutdown No, he didn't. The vast majority of the GOP Reps wanted a CR. Getting one passed was not a "compromise with the Democrats". If he had made a deal with the Democrats, they could have easily kept him as Speaker. Only a few Democratic votes were needed for that. But he had burned all those bridges already in order to pander to the Freedom Caucus. He was unwilling to compromise with the Democrats, but also unwilling to dance to Gaetz's puppet strings. That left him with not enough votes among the GOP.
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Post by bobinmd on Oct 13, 2023 3:17:45 GMT -5
Some Republicans now starting to float the idea of cutting a deal with Dems to elect a speaker, which could get interesting. Mike Rogers (chair of the armed forces committee and an influential R voice): “We’re still the majority party, we’re willing to work with them, but they gotta tell us what they need.”However, Mike Rogers' toupee could not be reached for comment: Gold. www.yahoo.com/news/top-house-republican-wants-help-194848280.html
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