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Post by volleyguy on Oct 13, 2023 4:13:34 GMT -5
McCarthy basically got deposed for compromising with Democrats on a CR to avoid a shutdown No, he didn't. The vast majority of the GOP Reps wanted a CR. Getting one passed was not a "compromise with the Democrats". If he had made a deal with the Democrats, they could have easily kept him as Speaker. Only a few Democratic votes were needed for that. But he had burned all those bridges already in order to pander to the Freedom Caucus. He was unwilling to compromise with the Democrats, but also unwilling to dance to Gaetz's puppet strings. That left him with not enough votes among the GOP. If he couldn’t pass it with his own party line votes, then it was a compromise. That seems fairly obvious.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Oct 13, 2023 4:38:25 GMT -5
Well this is an interesting turn. Too bad the party essentially ejected Liz Cheney. She'd be an excellent Speaker. Oh I love you, but that would be the last person in gods green universe that people would want to be speaker. The very last.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 13, 2023 5:23:05 GMT -5
No, he didn't. The vast majority of the GOP Reps wanted a CR. Getting one passed was not a "compromise with the Democrats". If he had made a deal with the Democrats, they could have easily kept him as Speaker. Only a few Democratic votes were needed for that. But he had burned all those bridges already in order to pander to the Freedom Caucus. He was unwilling to compromise with the Democrats, but also unwilling to dance to Gaetz's puppet strings. That left him with not enough votes among the GOP. If he couldn’t pass it with his own party line votes, then it was a compromise. That seems fairly obvious. It's not. Not every bill that passes without a party-line vote is a compromise with the minority party. I mean, how could it be a "compromise with the Democrats" when, by all accounts, it was sprung on them by surprise? All he was doing was bowing to pressure from within his own party. They knew a government shutdown would get (rightly) blamed on the Republicans, and they knew that this would have backlash for them. So he offered up the bill, knowing it would pass, and also knowing that he would likely face a challenge as Speaker. (Although Gaetz had made it clear he was probably going to challenge him anyway.) If it had been a "compromise with the Democrats" he would have gotten something from it -- most likely a promise that they would give him the votes to remain as Speaker.
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Post by vbman100 on Oct 13, 2023 6:14:48 GMT -5
Some Republicans now starting to float the idea of cutting a deal with Dems to elect a speaker, which could get interesting. Mike Rogers (chair of the armed forces committee and an influential R voice): “We’re still the majority party, we’re willing to work with them, but they gotta tell us what they need.”However, Mike Rogers' toupee could not be reached for comment: Gold. www.yahoo.com/news/top-house-republican-wants-help-194848280.html“They put us in this ditch, along with 8 traitors.” I assume he means they = democrats? Not going to get a lot of support with statements like that.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 13, 2023 6:18:04 GMT -5
“They put us in this ditch, along with 8 traitors.” I assume he means they = democrats? Not going to get a lot of support with statements like that. LOL when the driver of the bus blames the passengers in the back for the bus driving into a ditch. And then he says it as he's asking the passengers to help get the bus unstuck.
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Post by vbman100 on Oct 13, 2023 6:27:13 GMT -5
He did once. How about Hakeem Jefferies? No Republican is going to overtly vote for Jefferies. It’s political suicide. I always find it interesting that something like this is political suicide. But if their Republican representative does not vote for some bill, yet their district reaps the benefits of the bill passed only by democrat votes, the Republican representative faces no backlash. Just shows how stupid many voters are. It’s why I don’t spend much time on how trump acts, more about how stupid his supporters and voters are. Usually people like that get weeded out early in the process, not held up as some sort of hero. Republicans could have had the same results from 2017-2021 with Cruz, or Rubio, or Kasich as president. Same Supreme Court nominees, same policies, same etc. but the voters loved the rhetoric from trump, and still do.
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Post by bobinmd on Oct 13, 2023 8:05:30 GMT -5
Well this is an interesting turn. Too bad the party essentially ejected Liz Cheney. She'd be an excellent Speaker. Oh I love you, but that would be the last person in gods green universe that people would want to be speaker. The very last. What people? ✝️
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Post by jsquare on Oct 13, 2023 8:22:29 GMT -5
Well this is an interesting turn. Too bad the party essentially ejected Liz Cheney. She'd be an excellent Speaker. Oh I love you, but that would be the last person in gods green universe that people would want to be speaker. The very last. You mean, because she had the courage to stand up and be honest? We all know that's not a good look for today's Republicans.
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 13, 2023 8:40:42 GMT -5
might not be, news is that he alienated a lot of reps with a less than gracious concession to scalise. Maybe McHenry? Or some Tuesday group rep will pull some dems across the aisle. Boooooooo
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Post by bobinmd on Oct 13, 2023 8:52:22 GMT -5
Oh I love you, but that would be the last person in gods green universe that people would want to be speaker. The very last. You mean, because she had the courage to stand up and be honest? We all know that's not a good look for today's Republicans. Boom.
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Post by cindra on Oct 13, 2023 8:57:42 GMT -5
might not be, news is that he alienated a lot of reps with a less than gracious concession to scalise. Maybe McHenry? Or some Tuesday group rep will pull some dems across the aisle. Boooooooo speaker Jordan would be hilarious though
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 13, 2023 9:34:41 GMT -5
If he couldn’t pass it with his own party line votes, then it was a compromise. That seems fairly obvious. It's not. Not every bill that passes without a party-line vote is a compromise with the minority party. I mean, how could it be a "compromise with the Democrats" when, by all accounts, it was sprung on them by surprise? All he was doing was bowing to pressure from within his own party. They knew a government shutdown would get (rightly) blamed on the Republicans, and they knew that this would have backlash for them. So he offered up the bill, knowing it would pass, and also knowing that he would likely face a challenge as Speaker. (Although Gaetz had made it clear he was probably going to challenge him anyway.) If it had been a "compromise with the Democrats" he would have gotten something from it -- most likely a promise that they would give him the votes to remain as Speaker. What he got was that he avoided a government shutdown. At the time of the CR, McCarthy didn’t need to negotiate for Speaker votes—the motion to vacate didn’t happen until after passage of the CR.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 12:37:21 GMT -5
speaker Jordan would be hilarious though Nothing better than a molester-enabler in charge of an important federal chamber.
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Post by cindra on Oct 13, 2023 12:46:34 GMT -5
speaker Jordan would be hilarious though Nothing better than a molester-enabler in charge of an important federal chamber. we had a full on molester as speaker with Hastert. nothing new.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 13, 2023 12:55:43 GMT -5
At the time of the CR, McCarthy didn’t need to negotiate for Speaker votes—the motion to vacate didn’t happen until after passage of the CR. Are you joking or what? Everybody knew those were the stakes. Gaetz was quite open about it, and McCarthy acknowledged it -- dared him to do it. The whole reason for the farce of the DOA spending cuts that McCarthy put through before the deadline was so that he could toss a few bones to the Gaetz crowd in hopes that those symbolic gestures would be enough to appease them. When it wasn't, he then bowed to mainstream GOP pressure and put through the CR, even though he knew it was going to trigger a Speaker vote. If there *had* been some sort of compromise negotiated with the Democrats, they could have saved him by voting "present", but he was long past the point of any compromises with them, due to his continual appeasement of the Gaetz crowd. This is why you don't try to pay off blackmailers and extortionists -- they will only just keep asking for more and more. Nothing McCarthy did for Gaetz was ever going to have been enough.
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