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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Oct 3, 2023 11:45:26 GMT -5
so maybe Gaetz will nominate Putin, it's consistent with his desire to end Ukraine aid One of his girlfriends maybe. Probably have to be at least 18 for the job, I'm guessing. So that won't fly.
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 3, 2023 11:48:23 GMT -5
Matt Glassman (@mattglassman312, a guy I defer to on all things House procedures) mentioned today one option is to put forth a resolution that McCarthy be named Speaker, which would allow a quick up and down electronic vote. Otherwise, they'd need to do a one-by-one voice vote like in January. Might make for a little less of a spectacle.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 3, 2023 11:53:09 GMT -5
yes, that doesn't make it the norm It was for her leadership, at least. She passed the ACA without Republican votes, too. Why would you do bipartisanship with a party which stands completely in opposition to your own? well if each party takes that postiion, than yeah nothing will get down it's called compromise vs absolutism
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 3, 2023 11:54:51 GMT -5
It was for her leadership, at least. She passed the ACA without Republican votes, too. Why would you do bipartisanship with a party which stands completely in opposition to your own? well if each party takes that postiion, than yeah nothing will get down it's called compromise vs absolutism I don't think that's true at all. Both parties passed massive legislation on party lines under the last three presidencies. One may hate some of that legislation (or all of it), but it's wrong to say nothing gets done without bipartisanship. Lots of stuff gets done.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 3, 2023 12:00:02 GMT -5
well if each party takes that postiion, than yeah nothing will get down it's called compromise vs absolutism I don't think that's true at all. Both parties passed massive legislation on party lines under the last three presidencies. One may hate some of that legislation (or all of it), but it's wrong to say nothing gets done without bipartisanship. Lots of stuff gets done. it's a different congress since 2022. split/Dem Senate and split/GOP House so based on your above statement, there's nothing to worry about unless one is worried that the GOP can't pass their own legislation, which I don't think that's something you desire until 2024, there does need to be compromise. and usually there should be. I'd argue Pelosi's party lines wasn't all that great of thing really, absolutism by threat coercion of party members is not a great thing
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Post by FreeBall on Oct 3, 2023 12:08:10 GMT -5
Does anyone else see an inkling of resemblance:
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Oct 3, 2023 12:08:29 GMT -5
It was for her leadership, at least. She passed the ACA without Republican votes, too. Why would you do bipartisanship with a party which stands completely in opposition to your own? well if each party takes that postiion, than yeah nothing will get down it's called compromise vs absolutism Infrastructure bill, IRA, CHIPS act, drug negotiations and etc, to say this is all a bad thing because no House GOP supported it is foolishness. This is once in a lifetime legislation and to wait a generation for the GOP to come around is asinine. Same with Obamacare, there are still red states that reject it and it was passed 14 years ago. Who cares what horse-trading occurred, if the GOP wants to lose their seats because of foolishness so be it.
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 3, 2023 12:09:13 GMT -5
I'd argue Pelosi's party lines wasn't all that great of thing really, absolutism by threat coercion of party members is not a great thing You are describing party politics. That's how it works!
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Post by bobinmd on Oct 3, 2023 12:10:09 GMT -5
One of his girlfriends maybe. Probably have to be at least 18 for the job, I'm guessing. So that won't fly. Boom. So true.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 3, 2023 12:18:07 GMT -5
well if each party takes that postiion, than yeah nothing will get down it's called compromise vs absolutism Infrastructure bill, IRA, CHIPS act, drug negotiations and etc, to say this is all a bad thing because no House GOP supported it is foolishness. This is once in a lifetime legislation and to wait a generation for the GOP to come around is asinine. Same with Obamacare, there are still red states that reject it and it was passed 14 years ago. If the GOP wants to lose their seats because of foolishness so be it. GOP House members did support infrastruture, infrastruce bill was itself a compromise. it was not strictly on party lines same with CHIPs act. it's absolutely incorrect to state otherwise, Manchin got concessions as well the GOP may gain seats, we shall see. Biden can be a drag just as Trump is a drag - it's a drag the debt ceiling is it's own issue, where Gaetz is trying to make it some 'line in the sand' cause celeb, regardless of any consequencies
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 3, 2023 12:26:28 GMT -5
GOP House members did support infrastruture, infrastruce bill was itself a compromise. it was not strictly on party lines Compromise with who? It had unanimous support in the Dem caucus. No GOP votes were needed to pass it.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Oct 3, 2023 12:28:46 GMT -5
Infrastructure bill, IRA, CHIPS act, drug negotiations and etc, to say this is all a bad thing because no House GOP supported it is foolishness. This is once in a lifetime legislation and to wait a generation for the GOP to come around is asinine. Same with Obamacare, there are still red states that reject it and it was passed 14 years ago. If the GOP wants to lose their seats because of foolishness so be it. GOP House members did support infrastruture, infrastruce bill was itself a compromise. it was not strictly on party lines same with CHIPs act. it's absolutely incorrect to state otherwise, Manchin got concessions as well the GOP may gain seats, we shall see. Biden can be a drag just as Trump is a drag - it's a drag the debt ceiling is it's own issue, where Gaetz is trying to make it some 'line in the sand' cause celeb, regardless of any consuencies Yes, but they were all inconsequential, ie Nancy didn't need them; there was only 24 for the CHIPS, 13 for the IA and 0 for the IRA (w/ drug negotiations) Gain seats? A tough sell with the show they've been putting on. Gaetz will be Gaetz.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 3, 2023 12:31:04 GMT -5
GOP House members did support infrastruture, infrastruce bill was itself a compromise. it was not strictly on party lines Compromise with who? It had unanimous support in the Dem caucus. No GOP votes were needed to pass it. doesn't matter, it had bi-partisan support one can't assume all Dems would have approved, if Zero GOP supported it in fact, as you know, Manchin exacted concessions and changes any inference that it was 'along Party lines' is just disengenous
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 3, 2023 13:08:45 GMT -5
GOP House members did support infrastruture, infrastruce bill was itself a compromise. it was not strictly on party lines same with CHIPs act. it's absolutely incorrect to state otherwise, Manchin got concessions as well the GOP may gain seats, we shall see. Biden can be a drag just as Trump is a drag - it's a drag the debt ceiling is it's own issue, where Gaetz is trying to make it some 'line in the sand' cause celeb, regardless of any consuencies Yes, but they were all inconsequential, ie Nancy didn't need them; there was only 24 for the CHIPS, 13 for the IA and 0 for the IRA (w/ drug negotiations) Gain seats? A tough sell with the show they've been putting on. Gaetz will be Gaetz. ok, see how living in a Dem bubble (like those in 2022 lived in a GOP bubble) works out. it didn't work out for the GOP in 2022, and Dems can delude themselves all they want (goes back to Hillary's false sense of confidence in 2016 convincing themselves nobody would ever elect Trump) that the 'nut jobs' in the GOP existing will lead to Dem gaining control. it's just not that simple.
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Oct 3, 2023 13:42:04 GMT -5
so maybe Gaetz will nominate Putin, it's consistent with his desire to end Ukraine aid One of his girlfriends maybe. Wouldn't they have to at least be 18?
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