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Post by spideas on Jan 29, 2024 13:27:17 GMT -5
I wonder if the smaller events like the Boatride up in Waupaca, Wisconsin will be on the schedule this year, or if all of those will be erased. Its kinda fun to drive up there, stay in our motorhome, and play in the grass tournament in addition to watching some of the lower-level pros play. They will definitely have the event. www.waupacaboatride.com/ Will it be associated with the AVP? We will find out
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Post by schmidty on Jan 29, 2024 13:42:00 GMT -5
I wonder if the smaller events like the Boatride up in Waupaca, Wisconsin will be on the schedule this year, or if all of those will be erased. Its kinda fun to drive up there, stay in our motorhome, and play in the grass tournament in addition to watching some of the lower-level pros play. Don't know about the AVP side, but the Boatride dates have already been released. July 11-14
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Post by modulaire on Jan 29, 2024 14:03:24 GMT -5
Does that mean King of the Court is not doing the Miami event? Good question. It wasn’t clear from the way he said it, but that was the impression I got. KOC is in Tenerife in a couple of weeks but no mention of any events after that. Last year both KOC Miami and the AVP schedule were announced the first week in February. I’ve seen a few IG posts from players recently asking/wondering when the schedule will be announced. Not a good sign if there’s been no communication. In recent years, I have always wondered how KotC finances itself. It's basically an exhibition tournament with little sporting value that pays out a decent amount of prize money. Using the location for other events is certainly clever and saves some costs. But I doubt that they have much income from the streaming offering on their website. Or TV revenue. How long will sponsors be involved in something like this that only reaches a small audience?
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Post by ajm on Jan 29, 2024 16:39:15 GMT -5
Good question. It wasn’t clear from the way he said it, but that was the impression I got. KOC is in Tenerife in a couple of weeks but no mention of any events after that. Last year both KOC Miami and the AVP schedule were announced the first week in February. I’ve seen a few IG posts from players recently asking/wondering when the schedule will be announced. Not a good sign if there’s been no communication. In recent years, I have always wondered how KotC finances itself. It's basically an exhibition tournament with little sporting value that pays out a decent amount of prize money. Using the location for other events is certainly clever and saves some costs. But I doubt that they have much income from the streaming offering on their website. Or TV revenue. How long will sponsors be involved in something like this that only reaches a small audience? Yet somehow KOC has survived for seven years now. I have more confidence in a 2024 KOC season than an AVP at this point. I thought I read somewhere that they are at least breaking even. I doubt they'd still be around if they were bleeding money year after year so they must be doing something right. Perhaps having just one court helps keep costs down, plus a very unique set up that doesn't seem to require a large space. I'll also bet it helps that they're based in Europe, which always has good BVB crowds. Perhaps they're not as dependent on a local promoter for the infrastructure build out. They had that deal with ESPN3 last year, so I wonder if they also make arrangements with streaming or broadcasting providers outside of the US.
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Post by cribbit on Feb 1, 2024 1:30:19 GMT -5
mailchi.mp/avp/2022-avp-junior-nationals-227095?e=6a2441c378Hearing solid rumors that CBVA and AVP aren't partnering next year. No more AVP points from CBVA. With Hermosa already cancelled unclear if the Wildcard Qualifier series will happen again. Which sucks because I found watching those to be as much or more fun than a full field AVP.
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Post by guest2 on Feb 1, 2024 2:04:54 GMT -5
In recent years, I have always wondered how KotC finances itself. It's basically an exhibition tournament with little sporting value that pays out a decent amount of prize money. Using the location for other events is certainly clever and saves some costs. But I doubt that they have much income from the streaming offering on their website. Or TV revenue. How long will sponsors be involved in something like this that only reaches a small audience? Yet somehow KOC has survived for seven years now. I have more confidence in a 2024 KOC season than an AVP at this point. I thought I read somewhere that they are at least breaking even. I doubt they'd still be around if they were bleeding money year after year so they must be doing something right. Perhaps having just one court helps keep costs down, plus a very unique set up that doesn't seem to require a large space. I'll also bet it helps that they're based in Europe, which always has good BVB crowds. Perhaps they're not as dependent on a local promoter for the infrastructure build out. They had that deal with ESPN3 last year, so I wonder if they also make arrangements with streaming or broadcasting providers outside of the US. I wonder if they would be more successful if they did King of the Beach rather than the current format.
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Post by houdini on Feb 1, 2024 10:23:27 GMT -5
I wonder if they would be more successful if they did King of the Beach rather than the current format. Yeah, the original King/Queen idea was to see who's the best individual PLAYER. We already know who the best TEAMS are.
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Post by spideas on Feb 1, 2024 11:05:58 GMT -5
Yet somehow KOC has survived for seven years now. I have more confidence in a 2024 KOC season than an AVP at this point. I thought I read somewhere that they are at least breaking even. I doubt they'd still be around if they were bleeding money year after year so they must be doing something right. Perhaps having just one court helps keep costs down, plus a very unique set up that doesn't seem to require a large space. I'll also bet it helps that they're based in Europe, which always has good BVB crowds. Perhaps they're not as dependent on a local promoter for the infrastructure build out. They had that deal with ESPN3 last year, so I wonder if they also make arrangements with streaming or broadcasting providers outside of the US. I wonder if they would be more successful if they did King of the Beach rather than the current format. With the exception of Doha, KoTC has positioned itself as an "Event" that happens to have volleyball as the draw and the unifying principle as to why someone would want to come to the event... Do potential casual fans in the US find that interesting? I would say that the "League" model would be more compelling than a KoB model here in the US. If you could get the athletes to commit to being present in the local markets (CA, FL, NY, TX) and do some actual brand building... The event itself would be on one court and create some energy (most likely with an alcohol license) that would be compelling in person and in a streaming video environment... I realize that is a terribly optimistic view but we all know that the current "Competition" model is not working...
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Post by ajm on Feb 1, 2024 14:49:24 GMT -5
I wonder if they would be more successful if they did King of the Beach rather than the current format. Yeah, the original King/Queen idea was to see who's the best individual PLAYER. We already know who the best TEAMS are. I wouldn’t have thought an individual competition would work other than as a one-off event but AU has proven they can make a five-week individual competition succeed. I still doubt that you could have a traveling KOB series like KOC is but even a two-week KOB event at the end of the season would be a lot of fun. Probably appeals more to the hard core than casual fan though.
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Post by guest2 on Feb 2, 2024 12:54:13 GMT -5
Yeah, the original King/Queen idea was to see who's the best individual PLAYER. We already know who the best TEAMS are. I wouldn’t have thought an individual competition would work other than as a one-off event but AU has proven they can make a five-week individual competition succeed. I still doubt that you could have a traveling KOB series like KOC is but even a two-week KOB event at the end of the season would be a lot of fun. Probably appeals more to the hard core than casual fan though. Why would it be less interesting than KOTC, which to me has turned out to be a pretty poor format. (Too fast, too random). The storylines are clearer, it has a more interesting goal - to show who the best player is rather than to show who does a practice drill best, etc.
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Post by beachcoach on Feb 2, 2024 16:03:05 GMT -5
I wouldn’t have thought an individual competition would work other than as a one-off event but AU has proven they can make a five-week individual competition succeed. I still doubt that you could have a traveling KOB series like KOC is but even a two-week KOB event at the end of the season would be a lot of fun. Probably appeals more to the hard core than casual fan though. Why would it be less interesting than KOTC, which to me has turned out to be a pretty poor format. (Too fast, too random). The storylines are clearer, it has a more interesting goal - to show who the best player is rather than to show who does a practice drill best, etc. I would love to see an individual king and queen of the court. I am surprised that they haven’t done one. Maybe post Paris would be an excellent time. Especially with a shoot out in the final where the top two chose their preferred partner and can’t play with their own regular one.
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Post by blackmambabeto on Feb 2, 2024 16:33:59 GMT -5
mailchi.mp/avp/2022-avp-junior-nationals-227095?e=6a2441c378Hearing solid rumors that CBVA and AVP aren't partnering next year. No more AVP points from CBVA. With Hermosa already cancelled unclear if the Wildcard Qualifier series will happen again. Which sucks because I found watching those to be as much or more fun than a full field AVP. got the email
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Post by guest2 on Feb 2, 2024 18:31:06 GMT -5
Why would it be less interesting than KOTC, which to me has turned out to be a pretty poor format. (Too fast, too random). The storylines are clearer, it has a more interesting goal - to show who the best player is rather than to show who does a practice drill best, etc. I would love to see an individual king and queen of the court. I am surprised that they haven’t done one. Maybe post Paris would be an excellent time. Especially with a shoot out in the final where the top two chose their preferred partner and can’t play with their own regular one. KOTB has always been a great format but I think in the FIVB era it would be even better. In the old AVP almost all of the dream partnerships eventually happened to some degree. Karch/Sinjin (happened before), Stoklos/AJ, Stoklos/Steffes, AJ/Loiola, Steffes/Whitty etc. It was the nature of the old system when the best could team up. KOTB was great because we often got a sneak preview years before and it often led to those teamups (AJ/Loiola for example) but even without KOTB we got to see most of those teams we all wanted. Now without a KOB we will likely never see Perusic/Mol or AP/Nuss etc. Phil/Bruno in 2016 or Larissa/Kerri in 2007 for example. Even just catching a glimpse of those teams in a one off event would have been fantastic If there had been a KOTB in 2019 and Kerri got a chance to play a few games with Hughes and Sponcil who knows what may have happened?
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Post by maizecrayons on Feb 2, 2024 18:51:21 GMT -5
I would love to see an individual king and queen of the court. I am surprised that they haven’t done one. Maybe post Paris would be an excellent time. Especially with a shoot out in the final where the top two chose their preferred partner and can’t play with their own regular one. KOTB has always been a great format but I think in the FIVB era it would be even better. In the old AVP almost all of the dream partnerships eventually happened to some degree. Karch/Sinjin (happened before), Stoklos/AJ, Stoklos/Steffes, AJ/Loiola, Steffes/Whitty etc. It was the nature of the old system when the best could team up. KOTB was great because we often got a sneak preview years before and it often led to those teamups (AJ/Loiola for example) but even without KOTB we got to see most of those teams we all wanted. Now without a KOB we will likely never see Perusic/Mol or AP/Nuss etc. Phil/Bruno in 2016 or Larissa/Kerri in 2007 for example. Even just catching a glimpse of those teams in a one off event would have been fantastic If there had been a KOTB in 2019 and Kerri got a chance to play a few games with Hughes and Sponcil who knows what may have happened? Got me salivating over here with these dream pairings
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Post by guest2 on Feb 2, 2024 18:56:07 GMT -5
KOTB has always been a great format but I think in the FIVB era it would be even better. In the old AVP almost all of the dream partnerships eventually happened to some degree. Karch/Sinjin (happened before), Stoklos/AJ, Stoklos/Steffes, AJ/Loiola, Steffes/Whitty etc. It was the nature of the old system when the best could team up. KOTB was great because we often got a sneak preview years before and it often led to those teamups (AJ/Loiola for example) but even without KOTB we got to see most of those teams we all wanted. Now without a KOB we will likely never see Perusic/Mol or AP/Nuss etc. Phil/Bruno in 2016 or Larissa/Kerri in 2007 for example. Even just catching a glimpse of those teams in a one off event would have been fantastic If there had been a KOTB in 2019 and Kerri got a chance to play a few games with Hughes and Sponcil who knows what may have happened? Got me salivating over here with these dream pairings I didnt even mention Partain/Ahman. Probably not that great because of a lack of blocking, but would give opposing blockers nightmares
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