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Post by definitelymaybe on Nov 27, 2023 14:49:01 GMT -5
Do transfers need agents? With the amount of NIL money floating around, how difficult is it to convince a top-level player from a mid major, or even solid talent from a power 5 program, to transfer to one of the top 20-30 programs in the country? I do not think it could be that difficult.. “Hey, Mary this is Coach X. We’d love to have you come here in the spring. Scholarship? Sorry, but not in the spring but we can start you off with enough NIL connections to cover your tuition, housing, meals, and have plenty left over for that car you wanted.” Unless something has changed, coaches cannot offer NIL directly. The NIL organization would attempt to contact the athlete to determine interest level, what type of package they are looking for, etc. At least that's how it's supposed to work. What happens behind the scenes is a different story. |
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Post by slxpress on Nov 27, 2023 14:59:03 GMT -5
Do transfers need agents? With the amount of NIL money floating around, how difficult is it to convince a top-level player from a mid major, or even solid talent from a power 5 program, to transfer to one of the top 20-30 programs in the country? I do not think it could be that difficult.. “Hey, Mary this is Coach X. We’d love to have you come here in the spring. Scholarship? Sorry, but not in the spring but we can start you off with enough NIL connections to cover your tuition, housing, meals, and have plenty left over for that car you wanted.” Unless something has changed, coaches cannot offer NIL directly. The NIL organization would attempt to contact the athlete to determine interest level, what type of package they are looking for, etc. At least that's how it's supposed to work. What happens behind the scenes is a different story. It's all a matter of who is going to enforce the rules and how they're going to enforce them. Let me know when you see the first instance of some kind of enforcement going down. That will be the key signal that someone somewhere is finally getting serious about it. But again, the money is simply not there yet in volleyball NIL. Even tens of thousands of dollars goes a long way in volleyball. Nebraska is lapping everyone else in available funds right now, so look to them as the canary in the coal mine. They're dominating high school recruiting so much, there's been a limited need to hit the portal, although they have nailed two home runs in Hord and Beason two years in a row, and I guess Choboy is a sort of portal acquisition. But that one had little to do with NIL. I'm just not seeing the same kind of widespread impact in volleyball I've seen in other sports. I keep looking for it, because I do think it's coming, but we're not there, yet. |
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Post by yoda on Nov 27, 2023 15:02:11 GMT -5
Does portal open tomorrow? dec 3 - jan 1 I've been told that an athlete could be at risk of losing their 2nd semester scholarship if they enter the portal before attending the first day of their 2nd semester. If 1/1 is the last day, how does that work? Based on earlier questions, it appears that graduating athletes have no window but what about undergrad transfers? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 15:15:42 GMT -5
I've been told that an athlete could be at risk of losing their 2nd semester scholarship if they enter the portal before attending the first day of their 2nd semester. If 1/1 is the last day, how does that work? Based on earlier questions, it appears that graduating athletes have no window but what about undergrad transfers? I’d assume they’d only enter the portal in the fall if they intended to transfer the upcoming spring semester. I’m not entirely sure though. |
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Post by abcd098 on Nov 27, 2023 15:24:43 GMT -5
Is it too early to start the 2024 tea thread? ☕️
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Post by lotstodo2023 on Nov 27, 2023 15:49:32 GMT -5
Is it too early to start the 2024 tea thread? ☕️ Not if you have tea....... |
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Nov 27, 2023 16:19:05 GMT -5
Is it too early to start the 2024 tea thread? ☕️ Not if you have tea....... Assuming the tea will start to flow after this week and conclusions of team / player meetings from teams that have not extended their seasons and shortly thereafter from teams who do not make it past 1st/2nd rounds. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Nov 27, 2023 20:09:26 GMT -5
I mean, if he's been a Coug fan all along he's been under deep cover posting in UW threads for a few years. Well, you're a Duck fan who has been posting in UW threads for a few years.  I doubt you'd claim you have any inside info on UW Volleyball. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 21:37:30 GMT -5
Reese Rhodes (Texas Tech) is in the portal.
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Post by slxpress on Nov 27, 2023 22:01:42 GMT -5
I've been told that an athlete could be at risk of losing their 2nd semester scholarship if they enter the portal before attending the first day of their 2nd semester. If 1/1 is the last day, how does that work? Based on earlier questions, it appears that graduating athletes have no window but what about undergrad transfers? When a student athlete puts their name in the portal the school they’re currently attending has no obligation to support them financially regardless of what kind of agreement was made previously. That said, there are a ton of instances of players finishing the spring semester at their previous school even after putting their name in the portal and announcing a future destination. It is up to the member school. There can only be 12 scholarship athletes at any one time, so it often depends on how acrimonious the parting is, how many high school players are enrolling early, if another transfer is brought in for the spring to replace them, etc.. But there’s no hard and fast rule about whether a school will pull the scholarship for the spring. They simply no longer have any obligation. And yes, it can have a chilling effect on when players put their name in the portal, but in most instances they’re better off moving on and finding a new destination for the spring semester anyway, so they can get acclimated to their new environment, coaching staff, and teammates, and also participate in spring practices and spring games to get ready for the fall. If the player is scheduled to graduate in the spring it can be to everyone’s benefit to wait. The school itself can get a bump in their APR in that case, never mind that most places really do want to graduate their players even beyond beneficial metrics for doing so. |
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Post by lotstodo2023 on Nov 28, 2023 7:59:24 GMT -5
I’m wondering if anyone knows how many players were left in the portal after the last round - never got picked up. I see so many go in and only hear about the big transfers. It has to be hundreds right?
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Post by oldnewbie on Nov 28, 2023 10:31:38 GMT -5
When a student athlete puts their name in the portal the school they’re currently attending has no obligation to support them financially regardless of what kind of agreement was made previously. That said, there are a ton of instances of players finishing the spring semester at their previous school even after putting their name in the portal and announcing a future destination. It is up to the member school. The original question asked about starting classes. A school cannot pull your scholarship after the term has started. In that case they have to let you finish the Spring term. It is NOT up to the school. They don't have to allow you to participate in any volleyball related activities, but that is different. They can't stop paying for your education, housing and food for that term once it has started. |
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Post by lotstodo2023 on Nov 28, 2023 11:05:02 GMT -5
When a student athlete puts their name in the portal the school they’re currently attending has no obligation to support them financially regardless of what kind of agreement was made previously. That said, there are a ton of instances of players finishing the spring semester at their previous school even after putting their name in the portal and announcing a future destination. It is up to the member school. The original question asked about starting classes. A school cannot pull your scholarship after the term has started. In that case they have to let you finish the Spring term. It is NOT up to the school. They don't have to allow you to participate in any volleyball related activities, but that is different. They can't stop paying for your education, housing and food for that term once it has started. How does this work if the coach decides to part ways with players- they have to guarantee the semester correct if it wasn't the SA's choice? |
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 28, 2023 11:16:48 GMT -5
I’m wondering if anyone knows how many players were left in the portal after the last round - never got picked up. I see so many go in and only hear about the big transfers. It has to be hundreds right? They say half, overall. www.bestcolleges.com/news/2022/05/02/ncaa-transfer-portal-dashboard/But with grad students in the portal, some opt to take jobs or better academic opportunities over playing again so it's not that they didn't have opportunities. I think some places you see a lot of walk-ons going in to see if there is money for them out there but sometimes they don't seem like they have to leave... and similarly some people just want to know who is paying attention, is there a better opportunity out there for me? And they end up staying put, or going the NARP route. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Nov 28, 2023 11:19:08 GMT -5
The original question asked about starting classes. A school cannot pull your scholarship after the term has started. In that case they have to let you finish the Spring term. It is NOT up to the school. They don't have to allow you to participate in any volleyball related activities, but that is different. They can't stop paying for your education, housing and food for that term once it has started. How does this work if the coach decides to part ways with players- they have to guarantee the semester correct if it wasn't the SA's choice? The coach has very little to do with the school side of it in the first place. All the other school support is still there regardless of whether the player is excommunicated from the team. When a new coach comes to a team, they can "get rid" of at least one scholarship player outright. The school has to honor their scholarship to conclusion, but it doesn't count against the twelve. Players can also medically retire and not count against the 12 spots but retain their scholarship to conclusion (I don't know the rules about what qualifies for medical retirement. I don't think a coach can just do it arbitrarily to get rid of a player without their being a legitimate medical issue). A player in the portal in the Spring would be similar. Still under scholarship by the school, but with no connection to the team itself. Whether they still count against the 12 doesn't really matter, because there would be no time to bring someone else in. |
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I doubt you'd claim you have any inside info on UW Volleyball.