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Post by hookshott on Sept 1, 2024 23:13:57 GMT -5
I didn’t happen to notice it last match, but usually, there are 3-5 players who bring out a Lib jersey with them, in case they quick have to become (L). Up until this year, that would only happen between sets, or if the L were injured. Not sure what the rules are on declaring a second (L) after the set has started. Can it even be done? Or do you have to commit the athlete to *either* being able to sub in for someone, *or* to be able to go in as a second (L) before the set starts? When I noticed that neither Minn nor Stanford had a second libero dressed, the question that occurred to me was "if the first libero gets hurt, can you still have somebody quickly put on a libero jersey and replace her, or was that opportunity forfeited at the start of the set when nobody was already the designated second libero?" New rules, new questions... |
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Post by JT on Sept 1, 2024 23:17:58 GMT -5
I didn’t happen to notice it last match, but usually, there are 3-5 players who bring out a Lib jersey with them, in case they quick have to become (L). Up until this year, that would only happen between sets, or if the L were injured. Not sure what the rules are on declaring a second (L) after the set has started. Can it even be done? Or do you have to commit the athlete to *either* being able to sub in for someone, *or* to be able to go in as a second (L) before the set starts? When I noticed that neither Minn nor Stanford had a second libero dressed, the question that occurred to me was "if the first libero gets hurt, can you still have somebody quickly put on a libero jersey and replace her, or was that opportunity forfeited at the start of the set when nobody was already the designated second libero?" New rules, new questions... Guesses only, but… I assume that if you declare one (L), then if she is injured during the set, you can designate a new player as (L) following the same rules as last year. (I believe that limits you to players who haven’t played during the set, and then (if everyone’s played) an athlete who isn’t currently on court.). I can’t believe that - if you couldn’t do this - that any coach would fail to designate a 2nd L, if only to be able to have a L in case of injury. I would *guess* that the same holds true if you list two players as (L). If one of them is injured, you can follow the same rules to designate a replacement for her, letting you stay with two L’s if you want. I have no idea whether you need to list two players as (L) on the lineup at the start of the set, in order to use a second L without the first being injured. *Presumably* a player listed as (L) on the lineup can’t just switch to being a DS, even if she hasn’t acted as (L) yet… and certainly not if she *has* gone in as the linero, |
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Post by sleepy on Sept 1, 2024 23:49:47 GMT -5
I thought Shaff played pretty well. She had one out of system bump set that was gorgeous in the third or fourth set
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Post by jeepers on Sept 2, 2024 6:08:30 GMT -5
I loved seeing the effort on every play for the first time in a few seasons. I still think Wucherer needs to unload more often rather than tip, but still hitting over .300 as a team against Stanford can't be overlooked.
A healthy Shaffmaster is great to see.
Serve and serve receive will improve over the season.
It's good to see the trajectory of the program seemingly back in the right direction, we'll see how tonight looks with absolutely nothing to lose.
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 2, 2024 7:53:04 GMT -5
She had one out of system bump set that was gorgeous in the third or fourth set I remember that one, ran over to the ball on the left side and bumped it up. It was a bit inside which worked out to allow our OH to crush it sharp cross around the camped out double-block.
I was thinking to myself "maybe she should bump set more often!"
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 2, 2024 8:02:47 GMT -5
I don't have the stats handy to back this up, but I thought I recall the TV commentators saying that Gophers hit (over) 0.350 in the fourth set.
Great.
So? They lost the set 13-25 ...
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Post by robtearle on Sept 2, 2024 8:39:04 GMT -5
I don't have the stats handy to back this up, but I thought I recall the TV commentators saying that Gophers hit (over) 0.350 in the fourth set. Great. So? They lost the set 13-25 ... Minnesota was 9 kills, 0 errors, 26 swings, .346 Stanford was 15 kills, 0 errors, 27 swings, .556 I'll go out on a limb and say that ties the record for fewest errors in a set, one team, and two teams combined. |
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Sept 2, 2024 8:51:23 GMT -5
A few observations, probably none of which haven't already been shared at least obliquely:
I thought Mel did well. Some good, consistent connections. The part that frustrates me with her (and which is likely never going to change) is that there can be occasions where we essentially have a free ball, and a simple set to the outside is placed in an almost unhittable position. I don't see any other setters from top programs struggle with that on a regular basis. But for Mel, I was pleased.
23 service errors in total and 8 serve reception errors from the starting libero. First ball contact. Duh, right? Of course it's very early, but knowing Texas is a long shot today, I would like to see how Thibualt does with the jersey. I'll echo what others have suggested about Hanson in the back row. Seems reasonable to try keeping Grote in for six and DS-ing Hanson in the back. Frankly, if they had enough high-quality subs it'd probably be smart for Wucherer, too. It would be one thing if McKenna were utilized as a back row attack option more regularly, but she isn't, and she continues to look like a major liability on serve receive.
On Wucherer, she def looks better than last year (serve in particular), by my god girl, swing. Your tips are free balls and it costs the team points. She can look to Hanson for how to swing away at a block once in a while. Again, it's early, and that's very very changeable. I think she was actually better at it in the last two sets.
Better middle inclusion on offense and OMG Phoebe and Calissa's blocking was spectacular (McKenna's too)! A nice bright spot.
Clean up service errors big time and get the ball to the setter's hands without making her run. Gophs will have a much better year than last. Would be a fun "goal" to finish ahead of Oregon, Purdue or PSU in the B1G (or all three, but that really would be reaching for the stars).
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Post by dietcokefan on Sept 2, 2024 9:12:07 GMT -5
A few observations, probably none of which haven't already been shared at least obliquely: I thought Mel did well. Some good, consistent connections. The part that frustrates me with her (and which is likely never going to change) is that there can be occasions where we essentially have a free ball, and a simple set to the outside is placed in an almost unhittable position. I don't see any other setters from top programs struggle with that on a regular basis. But for Mel, I was pleased. 23 service errors in total and 8 serve reception errors from the starting libero. First ball contact. Duh, right? Of course it's very early, but knowing Texas is a long shot today, I would like to see how Thibualt does with the jersey. I'll echo what others have suggested about Hanson in the back row. Seems reasonable to try keeping Grote in for six and DS-ing Hanson in the back. Frankly, if they had enough high-quality subs it'd probably be smart for Wucherer, too. It would be one thing if McKenna were utilized as a back row attack option more regularly, but she isn't, and she continues to look like a major liability on serve receive. On Wucherer, she def looks better than last year (serve in particular), by my god girl, swing. Your tips are free balls and it costs the team points. She can look to Hanson for how to swing away at a block once in a while. Again, it's early, and that's very very changeable. I think she was actually better at it in the last two sets. Better middle inclusion on offense and OMG Phoebe and Calissa's blocking was spectacular (McKenna's too)! A nice bright spot. Clean up service errors big time and get the ball to the setter's hands without making her run. Gophs will have a much better year than last. Would be a fun "goal" to finish ahead of Oregon, Purdue or PSU in the B1G (or all three, but that really would be reaching for the stars). Agree with a lot here. Need to see Thibualt in the L jersey today. I actually thought Z was pretty good to start the match and then seemed to have issues later. She does get to a lot of balls. I also want to see Acevado in the backrow for Hanson or Wookie - at this point I don't care who, but want to see how it looks. Today is the day to try things. I will say I believe this team is already better than they were last year. If they continue to improve, this team will knock off some ranked teams. For me it's all about building for next year, where we will have even more options |
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 2, 2024 9:13:22 GMT -5
I don't have the stats handy to back this up, but I thought I recall the TV commentators saying that Gophers hit (over) 0.350 in the fourth set. Great. So? They lost the set 13-25 ... Minnesota was 9 kills, 0 errors, 26 swings, .346 Stanford was 15 kills, 0 errors, 27 swings, .556 I'll go out on a limb and say that ties the record for fewest errors in a set, one team, and two teams combined. Fewest hitting errors, sure. I don't have the entire set committed to memory, but I'm guessing other kinds of errors or poor execution (even if it didn't get recorded in the state book as an error) led to us losing the set by ...... 12 .... |
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 2, 2024 9:15:30 GMT -5
Also, my wild guess is that a lot of those non-kill swings were from our OH, both at the net and swings behind the line. Both because that's just for the most part who we set and also because they were the least terminal, at times.
The right side swings (Opp and middle slide) seemed to go down more often.
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 2, 2024 9:18:36 GMT -5
Better middle inclusion on offense Sure, a few per match is better than nothing. Let's not put too much pressure on ourselves though. We can't possibly expect something like 10 middle sets per 3 sets. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 9:41:54 GMT -5
So much improved. I see a much more focused and committed team.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Sept 2, 2024 9:50:41 GMT -5
Last night was my second time seeing a Minnesota-Stanford match in person (I went to the B1G/Pac 12 challenge last year), and this looks like a much improved team overall from last year. The discipline of the blockers was very impressive, especially Minatee’s solo block on Miner’s setter dump!
Passing and serving were definitely issues, but hopefully some of that was just first-match jitters. This is gonna be a good Minnesota team, and I’m looking forward to seeing how they do in conference play!
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Post by maigrey on Sept 2, 2024 10:01:35 GMT -5
I didn’t happen to notice it last match, but usually, there are 3-5 players who bring out a Lib jersey with them, in case they quick have to become (L). Up until this year, that would only happen between sets, or if the L were injured. Not sure what the rules are on declaring a second (L) after the set has started. Can it even be done? Or do you have to commit the athlete to *either* being able to sub in for someone, *or* to be able to go in as a second (L) before the set starts? When I noticed that neither Minn nor Stanford had a second libero dressed, the question that occurred to me was "if the first libero gets hurt, can you still have somebody quickly put on a libero jersey and replace her, or was that opportunity forfeited at the start of the set when nobody was already the designated second libero?" New rules, new questions... In the exhibition match, Kelly rotated almost all his littles through the L jersey. I believe exhibitions are played with the same rules as regular games, right? |
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