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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 27, 2024 10:11:38 GMT -5
My statement that "'Redshirts' travel with the team because the 'redshirt' can be removed at any time; because of injury or performance" is (or was) correct, for both football and for volleyball. Again, my guess would be that a player "removing a redshirt because of injuries" might have been MORE common in football, prior to the NCAA changing the redshirt rules three years ago or so, making the rules less 'strict' or 'absolute' for football than for other sports. (The rule for football is now that a player can play in as many as four games, and still 'redshirt'; there was talking about a similar change for basketball, but I don't think that ever happened.) If the shirt is burned, then you're no long a redshirt. From that point on, you're a regular player and if you make the travel squad (in football) then you travel. If you're still a redshirt, you don't travel. I still am not seeing any valid argument for why that shouldn't be the same in all college sports, including volleyball and basketball. All I've seen so far is that it's cheaper to travel with <20 players. That's not a valid reason to allow them to travel, though. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 27, 2024 10:12:38 GMT -5
Even if you say Stella Swenson could defacto be the #2 setter and so has to travel, that I can probably live with.
But then Olivia Swenson should not be traveling. She has zero chance to play. For all intents and purposes, she is a 2025 recruit.
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Oct 27, 2024 10:28:34 GMT -5
Sure. If Shaff went down on a Friday home match and the coaching staff then decided to put Swenson as starter for the final regular season home match on a Sat/Sun, that is their prerogative as the coaching staff. As you noted, that has nothing to do with travel. Time to let the "red-shirts shouldn't travel" thing go. The only rationale you've provided is a comparison to football, and it's an extremely weak one. Let's move on to you whatever oblique grievance you need to air next. |
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Post by robtearle on Oct 27, 2024 10:31:06 GMT -5
My statement that "'Redshirts' travel with the team because the 'redshirt' can be removed at any time; because of injury or performance" is (or was) correct, for both football and for volleyball. Again, my guess would be that a player "removing a redshirt because of injuries" might have been MORE common in football, prior to the NCAA changing the redshirt rules three years ago or so, making the rules less 'strict' or 'absolute' for football than for other sports. (The rule for football is now that a player can play in as many as four games, and still 'redshirt'; there was talking about a similar change for basketball, but I don't think that ever happened.) If the shirt is burned, then you're no long a redshirt. From that point on, you're a regular player and if you make the travel squad (in football) then you travel. If you're still a redshirt, you don't travel. I still am not seeing any valid argument for why that shouldn't be the same in all college sports, including volleyball and basketball. All I've seen so far is that it's cheaper to travel with <20 players. That's not a valid reason to allow them to travel, though. The last match USC had played before Tuaniga was injured was at Washington. So if Tuaniga had gotten hurt during that match, or in warmups for that match, and Faumuina wasn't on the trip "because redshirts shouldn't travel", USC would have been without her, and so been without what was or became their 'backup' plan at setter. That Faumuina burned her redshirt at home and not on the road is a 'coin-flip' of circumstance. Hence "'Redshirts' travel with the team because the 'redshirt' can be removed at any time; because of injury or performance". |
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Post by mr. samwich on Oct 27, 2024 10:36:20 GMT -5
WooOoOo I'd say that this lingering obscurity of a topic is SO riveting it deserves its own thread!!!!!! Shoo, it's Gophs gameday
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 27, 2024 10:36:57 GMT -5
So if Tuaniga had gotten hurt during that match, or in warmups for that match, and Faumuina wasn't on the trip "because redshirts shouldn't travel", USC would have been without her You don't need to repeat this. I understand the idea. The idea would apply exactly the same to football, yet football does not travel redshirts. The reason is that you already have backups who aren't redshirts, who are supposed to (be able to) step in if a starter goes down. That's the whole point, in the first place. If the next best player on the team is a redshirting player ..... then they have no possible valid reason to be a redshirt. It is coach malpractice to redshirt your best backup. If they aren't the best, then the best backup would go in, and thus the redshirt doesn't need to go on the trip. There isn't really a leg to stand on ... |
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Post by mplsgopher on Oct 27, 2024 10:38:08 GMT -5
it's an extremely weak one Actually, it's extremely strong |
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Post by stearnscountygopher on Oct 27, 2024 10:43:37 GMT -5
Anyone know when they will announce the start time of the Oregon game on 11/09?
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Post by JT on Oct 27, 2024 10:48:18 GMT -5
NCAA and conference rules set maximum numbers of players who can travel (about 70) - regardless of status. Football coaches (reasonably) have followed that rule by leaving redshirts, rather than active roster players, at home.
Volleyball *used* to (late 90s, I believe) have a similar restriction, perhaps at the conference level. I remember we had a couple years with very large rosters, and one or two of the DS walk-ons were left in Mpls when the team traveled for conference play. The NCAA had a limit of 14 traveling, later amended to 14 dresses and on the bench, and now scrapped, for tournament travel/play. I remember one year (I think we went to HI, which limits the times it could have been) when the program paid for a player to come along, and used one of the passlist tickets so she could sit in the stands.
As for “why does football do this?” … different sports, different governing bodies, different rules. You might as well ask why in football the home team wears their colors, and in volleyball, the home team wears white/light jerseys… or why football doesn’t allow for different length pants/leggings, while volleyball does.
They are different sports.
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Post by robtearle on Oct 27, 2024 10:52:15 GMT -5
So if Tuaniga had gotten hurt during that match, or in warmups for that match, and Faumuina wasn't on the trip "because redshirts shouldn't travel", USC would have been without her You don't need to repeat this. I understand the idea. The idea would apply exactly the same to football, yet football does not travel redshirts. The reason is that you already have backups who aren't redshirts, who are supposed to (be able to) step in if a starter goes down. That's the whole point, in the first place. If the next best player on the team is a redshirting player ..... then they have no possible valid reason to be a redshirt. It is coach malpractice to redshirt your best backup. If they aren't the best, then the best backup would go in, and thus the redshirt doesn't need to go on the trip. There isn't really a leg to stand on ... "The idea would apply exactly the same to football, yet football does not travel redshirts." Says who? Again, the redshirt rules for football changed a couple years ago, such that it is no longer an apt example or counter-example at all. But prior to that rule change; yes, the entire 105 or 110 roster didn't travel for football. That didn't preclude the possibility of a redshirt travelling for the express reason that in the event of injury, the redshirt would be burned and the player would play. I have no doubt there were just such instances in the past. |
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Post by vbruh on Oct 27, 2024 11:02:30 GMT -5
I don’t know why we are still debating this!
Neither Stella nor Olivia are currently redshirt players. They both are Freshman, on the roster, and eligible to play.
If they do not play a point in the remaining games, they “may” petition for an additional year, or may not, we don’t know.
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Post by JT on Oct 27, 2024 11:06:40 GMT -5
I don’t know why we are still debating this! Neither Stella nor Olivia are currently redshirt players. They both are Freshman, on the roster, and eligible to play. If they do not play a point in the remaining games, they “may” petition for an additional year, or may not, we don’t know. To pick a nit, they will not need to petition for an additional year. All college athletes (who maintain academic levels) have five years of eligibility, to play four years of a sport. If they do not play (compete) in any matches this year, it automatically becomes their “extra” year. |
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Post by sptimes2 on Oct 27, 2024 14:47:45 GMT -5
Wow, what a resilient win today! Thru 2 sets, I saw very little sign of life, and was resolved that we were going to take the loss. OSU is a hard team to figure out - I was worried about this match, based upon recent history with them as well as their near upsets of PSU and was it Purdue?
Side note - why is it so hard to get announcers who know the game? Arguably, you're not going to have many casual viewers on B1G+, and we were subjected to announcers who don't really know the game or terminology. They lauded Keegan for his defensive adjustment of rotating Phoebe in to the front row. I watched the rest of the match on mute.
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Post by skolgophers on Oct 27, 2024 15:03:36 GMT -5
Hanson had quite the weekend. Should get some looks for POTW but we know it will go to a WI, PSU, or Nebraska player 🫠
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Post by JT on Oct 27, 2024 15:08:53 GMT -5
Hanson had quite the weekend. Should get some looks for POTW but we know it will go to a WI, PSU, or Nebraska player 🫠 Are the B1G offices still staffed with all those Badger interns?  |
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