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Post by babybacksets on Oct 28, 2024 20:32:00 GMT -5
Yup as others have said--I forget which famous coach it was--but he was asked why his sideline demeanor was always so calm and he never appeared to do much coaching during matches--his answer was the same "the best coaches prepare their teams before matches". They shouldn't to do much in-game coaching because their players are prepared. It should never be a good thing if the coach is riding the players during the game--that the staff is doing it less is a good sign that they are maturing. There are so many things you just can't fix during a game. I wish we could pin certain comments in like a “best of the thread” type group. This would rank up near the top. |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 28, 2024 20:37:24 GMT -5
Coaching up is what happens before or after matches. During, all they can do is tactical. It's a long season and sometimes it's on the team not the staff to hold themselves accountable. Again, I view it as some maturity finally in the staff. The answer can't be constant grinding on players every free moment of a match. The players have to learn to hold themselves accountable for their mistakes and in match adjustments. I think the coaches really do need to change their approach during timeouts. It's the constant badgering of hand placement for blocking and use of the blockers hand to tool shots. I have never seen a staff that badger their players more than Robyn and Nick. Maybe the coaches should discuss what they see, where to attack next or set up the next play. It's always about technique and hands here or there. When a QB miss a pass, the QB coach don't go up to him and demonstrate proper throwing form. If a basketball player misses a free throw, you don't see the coach get into the players face and correct his shooting form. Way too much repetitive reminders IMHO. It's drilled into the players brain already. Additional reminders won't make them better. It could make them overly aggressive and cause more net violations. What you see on television or from a distance, does not necessarily mean that they aren’t conveying what you think. If you can’t actually hear anything kinda hard to have an overly critical reaction to it. However I agree in general that coaches should do the majority of physical coaching in practice and keeping games more strategic. |
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Post by brooselee on Oct 28, 2024 23:22:11 GMT -5
I think the coaches really do need to change their approach during timeouts. It's the constant badgering of hand placement for blocking and use of the blockers hand to tool shots. I have never seen a staff that badger their players more than Robyn and Nick. Maybe the coaches should discuss what they see, where to attack next or set up the next play. It's always about technique and hands here or there. When a QB miss a pass, the QB coach don't go up to him and demonstrate proper throwing form. If a basketball player misses a free throw, you don't see the coach get into the players face and correct his shooting form. Way too much repetitive reminders IMHO. It's drilled into the players brain already. Additional reminders won't make them better. It could make them overly aggressive and cause more net violations. What you see on television or from a distance, does not necessarily mean that they aren’t conveying what you think. If you can’t actually hear anything kinda hard to have an overly critical reaction to it. However I agree in general that coaches should do the majority of physical coaching in practice and keeping games more strategic. I'm not talking about TV. I attend matches in person and sit behind the bench. It's always the same thing. Hands up, press down. With Nick, it's always... shuffle your feet and be balanced. These two coaches beat their points to death....almost every match the same thing. |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Oct 28, 2024 23:29:04 GMT -5
I don't doubt her commitment, but most posters have noticed a significant shift in in-game mannerisms this year. Real time coaching seems less this year when you might think this young group needs it even more. Coaching up is what happens before or after matches. During, all they can do is tactical. It's a long season and sometimes it's on the team not the staff to hold themselves accountable. Again, I view it as some maturity finally in the staff. The answer can't be constant grinding on players every free moment of a match. The players have to learn to hold themselves accountable for their mistakes and in match adjustments. VT when coaches are animated - "Why do they keep coaching them on blocking and serve receives in game?? That should happen in the gym!!"
VT when coaches are not animated - "Why aren't they coaching them?? They look like they gave up on the team!!"
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Post by brooselee on Oct 28, 2024 23:51:11 GMT -5
Yup as others have said--I forget which famous coach it was--but he was asked why his sideline demeanor was always so calm and he never appeared to do much coaching during matches--his answer was the same "the best coaches prepare their teams before matches". They shouldn't to do much in-game coaching because their players are prepared. It should never be a good thing if the coach is riding the players during the game--that the staff is doing it less is a good sign that they are maturing. There are so many things you just can't fix during a game. If you watch the men's volleyball coaches, they take this approach and does not even raise voices during matches. Charlie is the only one involved and he never ride his players. |
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Post by 5100 on Oct 29, 2024 0:44:54 GMT -5
NO one is doing what Alexander is doing though. She has only averaged less than 5 KPS once. She is literally a one women wrecking crew but will average 600 kill this season if all this holds up. It’s insane Willoughby did all that as a SOPHOMORE when she averaged 7.20 kills per set to lead the country. Her counterpart on the outside was fellow sophomore Maja Gustin, an All-Region middle blocker as a freshman who was forced to move outside because Kahumoku sat out. Caylen is special, but there's no one like Willoughby. |
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Post by VT Karen on Oct 29, 2024 1:40:53 GMT -5
Woo hoo! Congrats to Caylen and Katherine for earning more weekly awards!! |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Oct 29, 2024 2:40:17 GMT -5
NO one is doing what Alexander is doing though. She has only averaged less than 5 KPS once. She is literally a one women wrecking crew but will average 600 kill this season if all this holds up. It’s insane Willoughby did all that as a SOPHOMORE when she averaged 7.20 kills per set to lead the country. Her counterpart on the outside was fellow sophomore Maja Gustin, an All-Region middle blocker as a freshman who was forced to move outside because Kahumoku sat out. Caylen is special, but there's no one like Willoughby. i guess i should've posted whole list:
1. Kim Willoughby - 2598 , R30
2. Jaime Houston - 2061 , R30/R25
3. Teee Williams - 1873 , PR
4. Lily Kahumoku - 1822 , PR/R30
5. Kanani Danielson - 1760 , R25
6. Angelica Ljungquist - 1570 , PR
7. Suzanne Eagye - 1553 , PR
8. Emily Hartong - 1475 , R25
9. Therese Crawford - 1467 , PR
10. Reydan Ahuna - 1411 , PR
11. Deitre Collins -1385 , PR
12. Amber Igiede -1371 , R25
13. Nikki Taylor - 1369 , R25
14. Diana Jessie - 1266 , PR
15. Karrie Trieschman - 1232 , PR
16. Jessica Sudduth - 1220 , PR
17. Kenyatta Lovelace - 1189 , PR
18. Maja Gustin - 1118 , PR/R30
19. Kori Pulaski - 1082 , PR
20. McKenna Granato - 1055 , R25
-- Caylen Alexander - 1032 , R25
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 29, 2024 2:59:51 GMT -5
Coaching up is what happens before or after matches. During, all they can do is tactical. It's a long season and sometimes it's on the team not the staff to hold themselves accountable. Again, I view it as some maturity finally in the staff. The answer can't be constant grinding on players every free moment of a match. The players have to learn to hold themselves accountable for their mistakes and in match adjustments. VT when coaches are animated - "Why do they keep coaching them on blocking and serve receives in game?? That should happen in the gym!!" VT when coaches are not animated - "Why aren't they coaching them?? They look like they gave up on the team!!"
lol, yup, spot on ... it's a re-occurring cycle of criticism over the years, even with shoji, tho to a lesser extent as he was more mellow in his later years. it's even done to the players ... when players are all business-like: "they're too business like ... they need to play looser and with more energy ..." when players are pumped with energy: "they need to pull it back a little more ... and play more business-like ..."  |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Oct 29, 2024 3:03:07 GMT -5
VT when coaches are animated - "Why do they keep coaching them on blocking and serve receives in game?? That should happen in the gym!!" VT when coaches are not animated - "Why aren't they coaching them?? They look like they gave up on the team!!"
lol, yup, spot on ... it's a re-occurring cycle of criticism over the years, even with shoji, tho to a lesser extent as he was more mellow in his later years. it's even done to the players ... when players are all business-like: "they're too business like ... they need to play looser and with more energy ..." when players are pumped with energy: "they need to pull it back a little more ... and play more business-like ..." "Why are they shouting after every kill? They should conserve their energy!"
"Why are they playing so meek? Where is the energy and hustle??"
well i guess that's on the men's thread tho...
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 29, 2024 3:31:07 GMT -5
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Post by noblesol on Oct 29, 2024 9:59:51 GMT -5
lol, yup, spot on ... it's a re-occurring cycle of criticism over the years, even with shoji, tho to a lesser extent as he was more mellow in his later years. it's even done to the players ... when players are all business-like: "they're too business like ... they need to play looser and with more energy ..." when players are pumped with energy: "they need to pull it back a little more ... and play more business-like ..." "Why are they shouting after every kill? They should conserve their energy!"
"Why are they playing so meek? Where is the energy and hustle??"
well i guess that's on the men's thread tho...
This is the superposition theorem at work. The basis for the duality of life, the coexistence of yin with yang within one living system. Seemingly opposite extremes of behavior, including critiques of said behavior, coexisting one on top the other, until an observation interacts with it. The observation of the superposition precipitating into the observers reality a view of the superposition unique to them. |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Oct 29, 2024 14:05:16 GMT -5
"Why are they shouting after every kill? They should conserve their energy!"
"Why are they playing so meek? Where is the energy and hustle??"
well i guess that's on the men's thread tho...
This is the superposition theorem at work. The basis for the duality of life, the coexistence of yin with yang within one living system. Seemingly opposite extremes of behavior, including critiques of said behavior, coexisting one on top the other, until an observation interacts with it. The observation of the superposition precipitating into the observers reality a view of the superposition unique to them. yea... im too high for that dude |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 29, 2024 15:36:14 GMT -5
"Why are they shouting after every kill? They should conserve their energy!" "Why are they playing so meek? Where is the energy and hustle??" well i guess that's on the men's thread tho...
This is the superposition theorem at work. The basis for the duality of life, the coexistence of yin with yang within one living system. Seemingly opposite extremes of behavior, including critiques of said behavior, coexisting one on top the other, until an observation interacts with it. The observation of the superposition precipitating into the observers reality a view of the superposition unique to them. volleytalk is life .... who knew?! |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Oct 29, 2024 15:38:06 GMT -5
Yup as others have said--I forget which famous coach it was--but he was asked why his sideline demeanor was always so calm and he never appeared to do much coaching during matches--his answer was the same "the best coaches prepare their teams before matches". They shouldn't to do much in-game coaching because their players are prepared. It should never be a good thing if the coach is riding the players during the game--that the staff is doing it less is a good sign that they are maturing. There are so many things you just can't fix during a game. If you watch the men's volleyball coaches, they take this approach and does not even raise voices during matches. Charlie is the only one involved and he never ride his players. definitely different coaching styles. Charlie also lets his players pick the area to target on serves... as long as it's a "thumbs-up" serve lol |
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