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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 8, 2024 19:42:29 GMT -5
Because it does not pay enough relative to the cost of living Jalen makes more than robyn im pretty sure, and he lives in nebraska... dave only made what he did cause he was dave. Im sure robyn is making good money, but not enough to attract a talented coach with no ties to the island. we would need someone with heavt ties whos main reason is not money (im not saying hire jalen cause plz no) I was thinking about this the other day as well, and thought that the next coach for Hawaii volleyball would probably have ties to Hawaii, either have played for UH (man or woman), comes from Hawaii or has family from Hawaii. Also, Jaylen would never become head coach for Hawaii womans volleyball, too much of an ego to become a coach in the mountain west, knowing him he wants to stay in the BIG at all costs. I guess we could get interest from Scott Wong or Kevin Wong or I think Kawika Shoji would be an interesting one (trade a setter for a setter). I believe both wongs were approached Both turned it down the original time |
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Post by hapaguy on Nov 8, 2024 20:07:16 GMT -5
Because it does not pay enough relative to the cost of living Jalen makes more than robyn im pretty sure, and he lives in nebraska... dave only made what he did cause he was dave. Im sure robyn is making good money, but not enough to attract a talented coach with no ties to the island. we would need someone with heavt ties whos main reason is not money (im not saying hire jalen cause plz no) I was thinking about this the other day as well, and thought that the next coach for Hawaii volleyball would probably have ties to Hawaii, either have played for UH (man or woman), comes from Hawaii or has family from Hawaii. Also, Jaylen would never become head coach for Hawaii womans volleyball, too much of an ego to become a coach in the mountain west, knowing him he wants to stay in the BIG at all costs. I guess we could get interest from Scott Wong or Kevin Wong or I think Kawika Shoji would be an interesting one (trade a setter for a setter). I agree BUT you never know who could be interested. Aside from the names mentioned, Dan Fisher maybe? I think someone in house would be good too - moving Charlie Wade over to take over the women's team (and Milan would be elevated to Men's HC) would be a good option. Look at what he and Milan did for the Men's program. I think we'd be surprised at who would apply for the job. Take UH Baseball as an example. Who knew that Rich Hill would be interested and get the job? He's been a terrific addition and an upgrade from Trapasso... |
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Post by hapaguy on Nov 8, 2024 20:09:56 GMT -5
I was thinking about this the other day as well, and thought that the next coach for Hawaii volleyball would probably have ties to Hawaii, either have played for UH (man or woman), comes from Hawaii or has family from Hawaii. Also, Jaylen would never become head coach for Hawaii womans volleyball, too much of an ego to become a coach in the mountain west, knowing him he wants to stay in the BIG at all costs. I guess we could get interest from Scott Wong or Kevin Wong or I think Kawika Shoji would be an interesting one (trade a setter for a setter). I believe both wongs were approached Both turned it down the original time Where did you hear that from? I don't know Scott Wong personally but I have friends that do and they told me he wanted the job but Dave wanted it to go to Robyn so that's what happened. If you have any information that says otherwise let's hear it. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 8, 2024 20:15:28 GMT -5
I believe both wongs were approached Both turned it down the original time Where did you hear that from? I don't know Scott Wong personally but I have friends that do and they told me he wanted the job but Dave wanted it to go to Robyn so that's what happened. If you have any information that says otherwise let's hear it. I can with 10000 percent confidence tell you Dave absolutely did not recommend Robyn…. That I know for a fact. And I’m 95 percent sure Scott turned it down Kevin never really wanted to get into coaching at this level either |
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Post by Psychopotamus on Nov 8, 2024 20:15:31 GMT -5
The worst part about this loss is having to hear your speculative, nonsensical ramblings. What is happening now is basically a carbon copy of what happened in 92, only now Hawaii is being hit by transfers and decommits instead of injuries. If you were actually watching back in 92 (which I am starting to seriously doubt because you seem to have no recollection of it) they lost to a lot of teams they "shouldn't" have lost to. I'll venture to say that the coaching staff is doing a better job now than Shoji did back in 92. Why? In 92 volleyball didn't have the huge talent pool it does now. Back then Hawaii had the talent to beat lesser teams even when they weren't playing well. Fast forward to now and even elite teams loaded with top 10 playrers are losing to teams they "shouldn't" lose to (i.e. teams with only one or two fab 50 players. Your "insight" is to tear down committed coaches and athletes with no basis in reality. I for one like Ah Mow for her passion for the program, the players she has been able to bring in and think she is doing a good job in a rebuilding year. What have you contributed to the program other than annoy fans and scare away players all in attempt to make yourself feel smart?Half the posters on here have blocked you and I'm getting tired of trying to reason with your dumb @ss. I believe you're a fan of Hawaii and not a troll, so if that's the case stop posting this stupid sh!t. If I'm wrong and you're going to continue to try to stir the pot with all this speculative garbage someone should permaban you from the boards and the games before you do any actual damage to the program. The one VERY BIG Difference in what you reference is Injuries vs Transfers. Robyn and staff had time to replace the Transfers and the Decommit player. There was still a lot of players in the Transfer Portal. But Robyn decided to spend the majority of the time coaching Club Volleyball, instead. When injuries occur during the season, there is not much a coach can do. Also, players transferring during that time and now is quite different. From what I can recall, when a player transferred back then, they had to sit out a year before they could actually play on that team, not like it is now, when a player can transfer and automatically play. There is a difference in some cases, but the massive exodus due to transfers is a relatively new problem. The present situation had just as much to do with injuries as anything else. 2019 should have been a payout year, if not for Rassmussens injury. That team was probably the best one in the last ten years or so. The injury derailed the teams development, and the cohesion wasn't there when she recovered. 2020/2021-2023 could have been very different if it weren't for COVID. Hellvig most likely stays all four years, we might not lose Rassmussens senior year along with Westerburg and Akanas senior years down the road. If not for injuries we also most likely see more from DeGoede and Kiraly who had big impacts as underclassmen but never really reached their potential due to injury and illness. Could it have gone differently? Sure. Can you blame the coaches for those events? No, although it seems like you're trying to. This has a trickle down effect and impacts both recruiting and transfers down the road. Long story short, this coaching staff is still recovering from it, and I think a lot of the recent transfers are a result of that. Hawaii wasn't supposed to do anything this year, but hopefully vie for the conference and hopefully get into the NCAAs. The loss to UCR is disappointing for sure, but the sport is progressing and these types of losses are more common for all programs. Should Elliott have been fired after Texas lost to LBSU last year? That loss was just as bad as Hawaii losing to UCR. I like this coaching staff and what they're done, they just need to figure out how to navigate the transfer portal better and keep their players long enough to develop them. |
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 8, 2024 20:24:12 GMT -5
The Texas loss to LBSU, last year, does not compare to the Wahine loss to UCR. For one thing, it was Texas's first match of the season. Anything can happen that first match. The Wahine loss to UCR occurred approximately 3/4 way through the season. If UCR had beaten the Wahine Team the 1st match of the season not as bad. Just like when the Wahine Team beat SMU the first match of this season. If the Wahine Team were to play SMU now, no question SMU would win in a run away.
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Post by hapaguy on Nov 8, 2024 20:24:31 GMT -5
Where did you hear that from? I don't know Scott Wong personally but I have friends that do and they told me he wanted the job but Dave wanted it to go to Robyn so that's what happened. If you have any information that says otherwise let's hear it. I can with 10000 percent confidence tell you Dave absolutely did not recommend Robyn…. That I know for a fact. And I’m 95 percent sure Scott turned it down Kevin never really wanted to get into coaching at this level either You know Dave personally and he told you that? How do you know with 10,000%(!) certainty? It may be the case but that's not what I heard. I don't have any personal knowledge just what I have heard from fellow boosters that were closer to the situation than me that know both of them personally. It was being widely discussed by the boosters at that time that Scott Wong was one of three finalists and that Dave recommended to Matlin that they hire Robyn which rubbed some of the boosters that wanted Scott Wong as the new coach the wrong way. I don't know who the 3rd finalist was and I don't think they ever released who they were. Since you seem to have better inside info than me, do you know who the 3rd finalist was? |
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 8, 2024 20:27:12 GMT -5
Not shocked Kevin Wong did not want the job, he is a Beach Volleyball guy.
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Post by practicesafesets on Nov 8, 2024 20:44:27 GMT -5
Where did you hear that from? I don't know Scott Wong personally but I have friends that do and they told me he wanted the job but Dave wanted it to go to Robyn so that's what happened. If you have any information that says otherwise let's hear it. I can with 10000 percent confidence tell you Dave absolutely did not recommend Robyn…. That I know for a fact. And I’m 95 percent sure Scott turned it down Kevin never really wanted to get into coaching at this level either That tea is hot 🫖 |
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Post by hapaguy on Nov 8, 2024 20:47:02 GMT -5
The one VERY BIG Difference in what you reference is Injuries vs Transfers. Robyn and staff had time to replace the Transfers and the Decommit player. There was still a lot of players in the Transfer Portal. But Robyn decided to spend the majority of the time coaching Club Volleyball, instead. When injuries occur during the season, there is not much a coach can do. Also, players transferring during that time and now is quite different. From what I can recall, when a player transferred back then, they had to sit out a year before they could actually play on that team, not like it is now, when a player can transfer and automatically play. There is a difference in some cases, but the massive exodus due to transfers is a relatively new problem. The present situation had just as much to do with injuries as anything else. 2019 should have been a payout year, if not for Rassmussens injury. That team was probably the best one in the last ten years or so. The injury derailed the teams development, and the cohesion wasn't there when she recovered. 2020/2021-2023 could have been very different if it weren't for COVID. Hellvig most likely stays all four years, we might not lose Rassmussens senior year along with Westerburg and Akanas senior years down the road. If not for injuries we also most likely see more from DeGoede and Kiraly who had big impacts as underclassmen but never really reached their potential due to injury and illness. Could it have gone differently? Sure. Can you blame the coaches for those events? No, although it seems like you're trying to. This has a trickle down effect and impacts both recruiting and transfers down the road. Long story short, this coaching staff is still recovering from it, and I think a lot of the recent transfers are a result of that. Hawaii wasn't supposed to do anything this year, but hopefully vie for the conference and hopefully get into the NCAAs. The loss to UCR is disappointing for sure, but the sport is progressing and these types of losses are more common for all programs. Should Elliott have been fired after Texas lost to LBSU last year? That loss was just as bad as Hawaii losing to UCR. I like this coaching staff and what they're done, they just need to figure out how to navigate the transfer portal better and keep their players long enough to develop them. Sounds like a lot of excuses sprinkled with some poppycock and twaddle to me. You act as if the coaching staff's failure to get recruits/transfers and retain their recruits ("the massive exodus due to transfers") and to "navigate the transfer portal" is NOT their fault. I have breaking news for you - IT IS! And all your excuses regarding injuries etc...has all been said before when Hittle got injured, when Greeley got injured, when Jane Croson got kicked off the team and on and on. These things happen and yes, they set the team back but it's NEVER held the program back from still being successful. And regarding your comment that "Should Elliott have been fired after Texas lost to LBSU last year?" that's just silly because Elliott and Texas have won back to back NC's and he's kept his team at the top of the rankings for like the last 20 years. What has Robyn done with the program other than slowly oversee it decline? Also, it's not about one bad loss. It's the totality of the decline to the program over time. This year is a microcosm of the decline of the program in general. Like I said in an earlier post, maybe you can make the argument that it's harder for a mid-major to keep up in the national rankings as a P5 team but we can't even keep up in a mediocre conference like the Big West? This year alone we have set new lows for the program (aside from the injury plagued season of 1992/93): first loss at home and one of only two losses to UC Davis in program history, most road losses in program history, most conference losses in program history, and now first loss to Riverside in program history. I'm hopeful that we can still win the tournament but I'm a realist and don't see us winning it this year and with the Riverside loss we can kiss our "at-large" bid goodbye. This year will be the only year - other than the injury plagued 1992 season, that we don't make the tourney. How many fails do we have to have before we look to make a change? |
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 8, 2024 20:54:48 GMT -5
Have people forgotten about Creighton, a Mid-Major Team, who is ranked in the Top 10, if not the Top 5.
Since Creighton can be ranked that high, then the Wahine Team can be ranked that high with a decent Head Coach.
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Post by hapaguy on Nov 8, 2024 21:03:46 GMT -5
Have people forgotten about Creighton, a Mid-Major Team, who is ranked in the Top 10, if not the Top 5. Since Creighton can be ranked that high, then the Wahine Team can be ranked that high with a decent Head Coach. There's always been a few mid-majors like Creighton, BYU, and Dayton in the rankings and I've made the argument in the past that with our facilities, history, fan base, etc. that we should be the top ranked mid-major every year. We haven't been ranked 5 of the last 7 years under Robyn and I don't see that changing any time soon with what we have now and what we have coming in. If she pulls a recruiting miracle from the transfer portal this off-season maybe, but I don't see that happening... |
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 8, 2024 21:12:30 GMT -5
Have people forgotten about Creighton, a Mid-Major Team, who is ranked in the Top 10, if not the Top 5. Since Creighton can be ranked that high, then the Wahine Team can be ranked that high with a decent Head Coach. There's always been a few mid-majors like Creighton, BYU, and Dayton in the rankings and I've made the argument in the past that with our facilities, history, fan base, etc. that we should be the top ranked mid-major every year. We haven't been ranked 5 of the last 7 years under Robyn and I don't see that changing any time soon with what we have now and what we have coming in. If she pulls a recruiting miracle from the transfer portal this off-season maybe, but I don't see that happening... What could make it much worse is if Caylen Alexander decides to enter the Transfer Portal, at the end of this season. With what is returning and supposedly incoming next season, there will not be a so called "GoTo" player on the roster. Wahine fans need to keep their fingers and toes crossed, that Caylen Alexander does not enter the Transfer Portal. |
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Post by hapaguy on Nov 8, 2024 21:16:11 GMT -5
What's interesting is that a few years ago when I brought up the fact that IMHO the program is in decline (and it is), the Robyn defenders jumped all over me for saying that and were blaming Dave for "leaving the cupboard bare" as excuse for the programs decline. Well Dave's recruits are all long gone and our program has fallen even deeper into decline so obviously that's not the problem at all now is it...
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 8, 2024 21:21:33 GMT -5
I would love to know the real truth about why those players that left the Wahine program, why they left. I have my opinion but I would like to know some of the opinions here.
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