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Post by twkpwrbtmlib on Mar 17, 2024 3:02:05 GMT -5
How do you explain Amber being a 2 time 3rd team AA? Angie was only here during Amber’s freshman year so it can’t be that Angie is the only reason for Amber’s success. The coaches after Angie left have to have taught Amber a few things that made her AA. Caylen Alexander has become a very good hitter…good enough to be invited to the NT tryout. I don’t see any hitting coaches on our staff. I just see three good volleyball coaches. We have a staff comprise of one setter and 2 liberos. Go figure. i would argue that it was ambers drive that got amber where she is. and the collegiate development program. shes on record for saying how much she's learned about blocking there. |
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Post by twkpwrbtmlib on Mar 17, 2024 3:04:53 GMT -5
we cannot pretend like having your middle blockers reach back for the tip is a normal skill to teach.
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Post by brooselee on Mar 17, 2024 4:40:04 GMT -5
we cannot pretend like having your middle blockers reach back for the tip is a normal skill to teach. Maybe not a middle blocker skill but a coaching philosophy. Maybe Robyn wants her front row players to at least try and get their hands on the ball on tips then to let it drop untouched. If the back row player has a beat on a tip, she will scream or yell to let the MB know. If the MB don’t hear anything , she will try to keep the ball alive by making an attempt and reach for the ball. I find that to be a sound philosophy. The MB has no idea how far back or where the back row diggers are so if reaching back will keep the ball alive, then that would be the right thing to do. Nothing more frustrating that to let a ball drop, knowing you had a chance to keep it in play. Robyn rather you make an attempt than to not make an attempt. Sure not everyone agrees with this philosophy but everyone can coach a team the way they see fit. Robyn wants her players to reach back so they reach back. |
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Post by hapaguy on Mar 17, 2024 14:53:29 GMT -5
It used to be that blockers were coached not to reach back for tips but to trust in their back row defense to pick them up - I know Dave coached that. It seems to me that most teams - including the Wahine, are coaching blockers to reach back for tips now. The game evolves I suppose.
Regarding blocking/hitting coaches, I disagree, I'd rather have a good experienced blocking/hitting coach on staff rather than a staff that has 2 coaches that played lib in college and a former setter. Yes, some players like Amber will still excel due to her physical attributes and some will not - even though they are being coached by a former AA & US NT setter. IMHO our blocking has trailed off since Coach Ang left. I don't have numbers to back up that statement though, just a feeling...
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Post by brooselee on Mar 17, 2024 15:23:20 GMT -5
This is Robyn’s team, Even if a blocking coach was onboard, he/she would have to adhere to what Robyn wants. Robyn played at the highest level and was a fairly decent blocker for a setter. She knows blocking techniques and hand placement as much as anyone.
It has been proven all over the country by the make up of coaching staffs that you don’t need a specific position coach to be able to excel at a position . Robyn is as smart a coach as anyone. Played for and coached with a legend like Dave Shoji, she has learned a few things or two.
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Post by brooselee on Mar 17, 2024 15:45:05 GMT -5
It used to be that blockers were coached not to reach back for tips but to trust in their back row defense to pick them up - I know Dave coached that. It seems to me that most teams - including the Wahine, are coaching blockers to reach back for tips now. The game evolves I suppose. Regarding blocking/hitting coaches, I disagree, I'd rather have a good experienced blocking/hitting coach on staff rather than a staff that has 2 coaches that played lib in college and a former setter. Yes, some players like Amber will still excel due to her physical attributes and some will not - even though they are being coached by a former AA & US NT setter. IMHO our blocking has trailed off since Coach Ang left. I don't have numbers to back up that statement though, just a feeling... To me, it’s can be hit or miss regarding a blocking coach. No guarantee, he/she can make much difference. For someone like Bamis, to me, she lacks the explosive jump needed to be a good blocker. At th scrimmages, I noticed that she barely got her forearm over the net. I’m not sure how much a blocking coach can help her jump higher. Even if Bamis was to make the right read, a 6-3 girl with high contact point will hit over her with ease. Sometimes players are just not able to meet expectations of the coaches no matter who the coach is. Jacyn is pretty good offensively so that could make up for her lack of blocking. Until she is able to get her vertical up and at least get her elbow close to the top of the net and able to press down, she will have trouble blocking explosive jumping MB. Undersized one who relies on quickness, she may get her share of blocks. |
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Post by hapaguy on Mar 17, 2024 19:19:01 GMT -5
I agree with you on Bamis. I've been saying she has a nice slide but her blocking is almost non-existent. It's not only how high you jump but getting in the right position. Our pins are getting pretty good reads and posting a nice block but Bamis can't seem to close the block. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not a blocking/hitting coach would help.
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Post by veebz17 on Mar 17, 2024 20:43:53 GMT -5
I’m going to withhold judgment on Bamis’ blocking ability - playing 6 rotations for 3 straight matches is a LOT. Let’s wait to see what she can do on fresh legs
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Post by twkpwrbtmlib on Mar 17, 2024 21:19:14 GMT -5
It used to be that blockers were coached not to reach back for tips but to trust in their back row defense to pick them up - I know Dave coached that. It seems to me that most teams - including the Wahine, are coaching blockers to reach back for tips now. The game evolves I suppose. Regarding blocking/hitting coaches, I disagree, I'd rather have a good experienced blocking/hitting coach on staff rather than a staff that has 2 coaches that played lib in college and a former setter. Yes, some players like Amber will still excel due to her physical attributes and some will not - even though they are being coached by a former AA & US NT setter. IMHO our blocking has trailed off since Coach Ang left. I don't have numbers to back up that statement though, just a feeling... amber's highest b/s and lowest BE seasons were her freshman year. |
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Post by staticb on Mar 17, 2024 21:52:48 GMT -5
It used to be that blockers were coached not to reach back for tips but to trust in their back row defense to pick them up - I know Dave coached that. It seems to me that most teams - including the Wahine, are coaching blockers to reach back for tips now. The game evolves I suppose. In theory if the front row player can read the tip and drop back and take it, you'll get a better quality pass than a back row player diving for a ball. However, I'm like 90% sure after the loss to UCSB we went back to running a more traditional "let the back row player" get it on defense. It was the right move--because the defense came back to solid Wahine Floor D by the NCAA tournament. I didn't see the other two spring games so I don't know if they are going back to it this season. |
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Post by staticb on Mar 17, 2024 22:58:22 GMT -5
Ok watching the ND game now, off blocker or back row person getting all the tips so far.
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Post by brooselee on Mar 18, 2024 0:56:24 GMT -5
Ok watching the ND game now, off blocker or back row person getting all the tips so far. It's hard to say if UH had gone back to full "backrow get all the tip" yet. Bamis is never in good position to get a good read on a tip anyway. Robyn probably feels better when her backrow make that attempt rather than to have Bamis handle it. Robyn could go to back if Mili can make it work. I think in transition when everyone scrambling, I think letting the MB reach back make sense. |
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Post by 5100 on Mar 18, 2024 16:36:18 GMT -5
Hakas averaged 4.48 kills per game/match, was what the poster was saying. She played in 27 matches, with 21 kills. A little comprehension, maybe, before a dramatic response? Do you know how to math bc I cant and possibly you can't either LOL! How does 21 kills in 27 matches equal to 4.48 kills per set. lollll.. Who's the dumbass? It was obviously a typo on my part. It's 121 kills, like the original poster that you responded to said. 121 kills divided by 27 matches. So dramatic. Dumbass. |
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Post by babybacksets on Mar 18, 2024 17:32:23 GMT -5
What do we think is the issue with Hakas offensively? We know with Wagoner it was her inability oftentimes to adjust her approach which made it harder for her to adjust to different sets which made her make less than intelligent shots for what one would’ve thought her IQ was.
Are there any actual issues people are having with her technique/mechanics/ offensive approach? Because when I finally get to watching the games and it just ends up being her erroring on junk sets like the best of hitters are susceptible to, I’m gonna lose my sh!t on you guys lol
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Post by staticb on Mar 18, 2024 21:10:30 GMT -5
I think people have addressed the issues in Hakas's game before--not a high contact point and she swings straight down into the block far too often. Similar to McKenna Ross when she first started out. Smaller hitters who hit a heavy ball was used to relying on that as part of their game--but suddenly everyone is longer, taller, and faster--you have to re-invent yourself as a hitter a bit. If you haven't seen that at your level of club (or internationally where Tali is playing), it can take some adjustment period.
That said, in her first couple of games, she was with Matias setting--who was not that great at least against CSU when I was watching her--and that was somewhat related to the hitting percentages. Adeymi and Alexander didn't hit as well with Matias setting too.
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