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Post by noblesol on Dec 14, 2023 6:44:17 GMT -5
Only good thing that came in the rise of MAGA and the christian right and their hatred of all things that don’t fit their narrative is that people exposed themselves as bigoted and homophobic and transphobic. Since then I’ve gone with the belief that once someone shows you who they are you should believe them. This thread has done a nice job of doing that. Wow, That’s a whole lot of labeling, hatred and vitriol for one Snide comment…. Hope you don’t bully and marginalize people in real life like that. '---phobic' is an overused pejorative in spittle responses. |
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Post by radioactiveman on Dec 14, 2023 6:46:58 GMT -5
I will say I'm adamantly opposed to transgenders ... I will say that I'm adamantly opposed to calling people "transgenders", as if they are nothing except for that one aspect of their lives. Genuine question. Are you also opposed to referring to women as females? |
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Post by radioactiveman on Dec 14, 2023 6:52:24 GMT -5
This is Holiday. He’s a troll, y’all. Just because you have difficulty arguing out of a paper bag off the net, does not mean you’re going to win over here either. This is the fundamental problem. If you go into complex discussions with the intent on “winnning” you demonstrate that you are someone with whom is not worth engaging in the discussion. |
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Post by karma on Dec 14, 2023 7:02:39 GMT -5
Kinda crazy going through this thread and seeing the “true colors” of a lot of regular posters on here. And then you have the usual garbage guzzling from the likes of Holiday. Like this is just not a topic that I can take seriously. Just watching her skills videos, Drageset looks like a fine player, can definitely help UW out of the trenches, pero like…….. Put a team of 6 Tate Dragesets up against a team of 6 Kat Plummers and that KP team is sweeping every day. I mean she’s not even touching higher than Harper Murray, Skyler Fields, and several others at that same age. I think the thought of a “biologically male” body automatically being better than a “biological female” body at the sport of volleyball just because of the chromosomal difference on its on just doesn’t hold any weight unless you’re a transphobic, and tbh sexist, piece of dogsh!!!!!! But then where is the line? Like Tate vs Plummer but what happens when a trans women IS much taller, stronger, and jumps taller than everyone else? Then your logic really becomes void. I have so much respect for Tate and her journey and hate to see the tone-deaf article written with such disrespect. But if you are using the argument that she should be allowed because there are women that are better than her, it doesn't really hold up over time. There has to be another solution that is respectful to everyone involved and I can't say I know what it is. I am rooting for Tate and want her to be successful. But I fear we are opening a path that could ultimately damage the volleyball world. If we set certain precedents now, more and more people will follow a similar path, and what happens when one of them IS miles ahead of everyone else competing because of biological differences? I don't want my wording to give the message that I view trans athletes as "problems" because I don't. Trans athletes deserve to compete and pursue their passions the same way others do. However, I also speak with much respect in my heart towards the sport of volleyball, and the thousands of women who push themselves from a young age to be able to compete with other females. Reiterating what I said earlier, I don't know what the answer is, but I wish that everyone held a little bit more empathy and grace in their hearts for everyone involved—especially the trans athletes who are particularly at risk—while we seek to find inclusive solutions for everyone. Despite what posters have demonstrated on this thread so far, it actually IS possible to have a strong personal opinion yet participate in respectful, empathetic dialogue with all parties and all perspectives. Unfortunately though, we live in a society where the majority of people have tossed out any empathy or grace for people with opinions different than their own, and so I am sure someone will label me as something negative. All I will say is that if you are labeling people because of their opinion, instead of seeking to understand why they hold that opinion, that says a lot more about your emotional intelligence and maturity than anyone else's. People view the world the way they do because of their experiences and their exposure, and it's so important to remember that regardless of the issue at hand. Don't get me wrong, transphobia should be called out 100%, but I have had a lot more success helping friends better understand why trans rights are so important by seeking to understand their experiences and perspective while RESPECTFULLY sharing my own. Never have I changed someone's mind by labeling them and writing them off simply because we disagree. We have extremely transphobic roots, and so it makes sense why that lingers within communities today. Only respectful dialogue and more exposure will change hearts. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 7:14:05 GMT -5
A minor !?!?! OMG!!! What are your thoughts on drag shows for minors? What are your thoughts on exposing minors to nudity at pride parades? Stop clutching your pearls about a mentally ill teen being outed, especially when he and his parents want him to be outed. You’re a sick sack of sh!t Not me. I don't take kids to drag shows or pride parades. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 14, 2023 7:18:04 GMT -5
OK, so the OP is just peddling standard transphobia. About a minor. Cool. A minor !?!?! OMG!!! What are your thoughts on drag shows for minors? What are your thoughts on exposing minors to nudity at pride parades? Stop clutching your pearls about a mentally ill teen being outed, especially when he and his parents want him to be outed. Piss off, bigot. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 14, 2023 7:21:21 GMT -5
Kinda crazy going through this thread and seeing the “true colors” of a lot of regular posters on here. And then you have the usual garbage guzzling from the likes of Holiday. Like this is just not a topic that I can take seriously. Just watching her skills videos, Drageset looks like a fine player, can definitely help UW out of the trenches, pero like…….. Put a team of 6 Tate Dragesets up against a team of 6 Kat Plummers and that KP team is sweeping every day. I mean she’s not even touching higher than Harper Murray, Skyler Fields, and several others at that same age. I think the thought of a “biologically male” body automatically being better than a “biological female” body at the sport of volleyball just because of the chromosomal difference on its on just doesn’t hold any weight unless you’re a transphobic, and tbh sexist, piece of dogsh!!!!!! Perfect example of progressive liberal bullying that goes on especially on this board. Then you screamed for the moderators as if you’re the ones being victimized. Such a coward. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 7:26:35 GMT -5
Kinda crazy going through this thread and seeing the “true colors” of a lot of regular posters on here. And then you have the usual garbage guzzling from the likes of Holiday. Like this is just not a topic that I can take seriously. Just watching her skills videos, Drageset looks like a fine player, can definitely help UW out of the trenches, pero like…….. Put a team of 6 Tate Dragesets up against a team of 6 Kat Plummers and that KP team is sweeping every day. I mean she’s not even touching higher than Harper Murray, Skyler Fields, and several others at that same age. I think the thought of a “biologically male” body automatically being better than a “biological female” body at the sport of volleyball just because of the chromosomal difference on its on just doesn’t hold any weight unless you’re a transphobic, and tbh sexist, piece of dogsh!!!!!! It actually holds a lot of weight. The average male volleyball player will be better than the average female volleyball player. There are always outliers, but at the mean, men are better athletes than women. When I ran cross country in high school, my 5K time wasn't that far off from the women's world record at 5K. I was just an above average, not great, high school cross country runner. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 7:27:32 GMT -5
A minor !?!?! OMG!!! What are your thoughts on drag shows for minors? What are your thoughts on exposing minors to nudity at pride parades? Stop clutching your pearls about a mentally ill teen being outed, especially when he and his parents want him to be outed. Piss off, bigot. You didn't answer the questions. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 14, 2023 7:29:23 GMT -5
You didn't answer the questions. B I G O T |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 7:32:34 GMT -5
I will say that I'm adamantly opposed to calling people "transgenders", as if they are nothing except for that one aspect of their lives. Genuine question. Are you also opposed to referring to women as females? Grammatically, is it incorrect to refer to a woman as a female. "Woman" is a noun. "Female" is an adjective. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 7:33:13 GMT -5
You didn't answer the questions. B I G O T You still didn't answer the questions. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 7:35:28 GMT -5
Kinda crazy going through this thread and seeing the “true colors” of a lot of regular posters on here. And then you have the usual garbage guzzling from the likes of Holiday. Like this is just not a topic that I can take seriously. Just watching her skills videos, Drageset looks like a fine player, can definitely help UW out of the trenches, pero like…….. Put a team of 6 Tate Dragesets up against a team of 6 Kat Plummers and that KP team is sweeping every day. I mean she’s not even touching higher than Harper Murray, Skyler Fields, and several others at that same age. I think the thought of a “biologically male” body automatically being better than a “biological female” body at the sport of volleyball just because of the chromosomal difference on its on just doesn’t hold any weight unless you’re a transphobic, and tbh sexist, piece of dogsh!!!!!! Perfect example of progressive liberal bullying that goes on especially on this board. Then you screamed for the moderators as if you’re the ones being victimized. Such a coward. What did you expect? They know they can't defend the indefensible, so they immediately resort to the ad hominem fallacy. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 14, 2023 7:42:37 GMT -5
I have actually read the entire thread. It actually wasn't a bad discussion until Holiday got involved. Oh well. On most issues I consider myself progressive or liberal leaning, I have typically been opposed to those born as male competing in divisions intended only for females. Lia Thomas swimming 3 years as a male, then switching to female and winning her event in NCAA's, was egregious imo. Worse is transgender females competing in MMA, where possibility of serious injury is so high. In my sport of disc golf, we have had an issue this past year with a transgender woman in professional disc golf, who can throw farther than her female counterparts. It has caused a lot of damage in the sport. I feel being born male gives an advantage in most sports. I'm no scientist, but it would seem that the earlier you transition, the less advantage you would have. I could be wrong. After reading the story, my strongest feeling was of sympathy for Tate. She obviously did not transition to gain some advantage. I can only imagine the hate-storm she will now have to deal with. I feel so badly for her. The article was shameful, so disrespectful. Although, as I have stated, that I am typically against those born as males competing as females, I try to keep an open mind, and am aware of the possibility that I could be wrong, and could be on the wrong side of history. In the case of Tate, I will be STRONGLY rooting for her success. Her mother made that video when Tate was 9 years old. So did she transition at 8? 7? I find myself having trouble standing in the way of someone who has identified as female from such a young age. I'm sure I have a lot to learn on this issue. But I really hope that Tate weathers the storm and comes out okay, ready to focus on volleyball. If Washington ever plays at Stanford while Tate is playing, I will be sure to give her the loudest ovation I have ever given anyone! Who are you kidding? I came in on page 5 and before that it was just a bunch of screaming activist calling people transphobic . You call that a meaningful discussion? Where you and I can agree ? I also feel for Tate. I think any of us that have faced that ugly kind of Prejudice know how difficult it is. I can also feel for her parents and know how painful that is for them to be in the middle of controversy as well. But I don’t think most who are opposed to this are transphobic at all. I think they would totally support a division In high school and college sports for trans athletes. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 14, 2023 7:46:24 GMT -5
Kinda crazy going through this thread and seeing the “true colors” of a lot of regular posters on here. And then you have the usual garbage guzzling from the likes of Holiday. Like this is just not a topic that I can take seriously. Just watching her skills videos, Drageset looks like a fine player, can definitely help UW out of the trenches, pero like…….. Put a team of 6 Tate Dragesets up against a team of 6 Kat Plummers and that KP team is sweeping every day. I mean she’s not even touching higher than Harper Murray, Skyler Fields, and several others at that same age. I think the thought of a “biologically male” body automatically being better than a “biological female” body at the sport of volleyball just because of the chromosomal difference on its on just doesn’t hold any weight unless you’re a transphobic, and tbh sexist, piece of dogsh!!!!!! But then where is the line? Like Tate vs Plummer but what happens when a trans women IS much taller, stronger, and jumps taller than everyone else? Then your logic really becomes void. I have so much respect for Tate and her journey and hate to see the tone-deaf article written with such disrespect. But if you are using the argument that she should be allowed because there are women that are better than her, it doesn't really hold up over time. There has to be another solution that is respectful to everyone involved and I can't say I know what it is. I am rooting for Tate and want her to be successful. But I fear we are opening a path that could ultimately damage the volleyball world. If we set certain precedents now, more and more people will follow a similar path, and what happens when one of them IS miles ahead of everyone else competing because of biological differences? I don't want my wording to give the message that I view trans athletes as "problems" because I don't. Trans athletes deserve to compete and pursue their passions the same way others do. However, I also speak with much respect in my heart towards the sport of volleyball, and the thousands of women who push themselves from a young age to be able to compete with other females. Reiterating what I said earlier, I don't know what the answer is, but I wish that everyone held a little bit more empathy and grace in their hearts for everyone involved—especially the trans athletes who are particularly at risk—while we seek to find inclusive solutions for everyone. Despite what posters have demonstrated on this thread so far, it actually IS possible to have a strong personal opinion yet participate in respectful, empathetic dialogue with all parties and all perspectives. Unfortunately though, we live in a society where the majority of people have tossed out any empathy or grace for people with opinions different than their own, and so I am sure someone will label me as something negative. All I will say is that if you are labeling people because of their opinion, instead of seeking to understand why they hold that opinion, that says a lot more about your emotional intelligence and maturity than anyone else's. People view the world the way they do because of their experiences and their exposure, and it's so important to remember that regardless of the issue at hand. Don't get me wrong, transphobia should be called out 100%, but I have had a lot more success helping friends better understand why trans rights are so important by seeking to understand their experiences and perspective while RESPECTFULLY sharing my own. Never have I changed someone's mind by labeling them and writing them off simply because we disagree. We have extremely transphobic roots, and so it makes sense why that lingers within communities today. Only respectful dialogue and more exposure will change hearts. Beautifully put, and said with so much grace. |
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