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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 14, 2023 11:11:09 GMT -5
Who are you kidding? I came in on page 5 and before that it was just a bunch of screaming activist calling people transphobic . You call that a meaningful discussion? Where you and I can agree ? I also feel for Tate. I think any of us that have faced that ugly kind of Prejudice know how difficult it is. I can also feel for her parents and know how painful that is for them to be in the middle of controversy as well. But I don’t think most who are opposed to this are transphobic at all. I think they would totally support a division In high school and college sports for trans athletes. You are such a brainwashed red clown you think there are just tons of trans athletes and enough to play in their own high school division? Thanks for the civil discussion, great chat. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 14, 2023 11:13:21 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with taking kids to pride parades. I took my cousin and my 11yr old niece to Honolulu Pride this year and they absolutely loved it. My niece told me she would love to go to next years parade. 🏳️🌈 Ya my friend and I took her 8 year old daughter to Denver pride and left when 2 men were drunk having sex right next to us in the park. Maybe they could do a kid friendly day and then a non kid friendly day but what I saw was 100% not appropriate for kids. amen |
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 14, 2023 11:14:07 GMT -5
For those freaking out about “MALE PUBERTY,” it’s likely irrelevant in this case. Kids who transition at a young age are put on puberty blockers, and then eventually begin HRT. Trans girls who transition this early often don’t ever go through “male puberty” - the goal is usually to keep them from doing so and instead help their bodies develop as women’s do. So the growth spurt, bone and muscle development, etc. that people say grants trans girls an unfair advantage? None of that applies to those cases.
We don’t know the details of Drageset’s medical history, but we do know that she grew up in a supportive family that helped her be herself from a young age, and she comes from a geographic and demographic area where the standard medical care for trans kids is available. So it’s probably a safe inference that she never went through “male puberty.”
I acknowledge that the conversation about advantages in sports is possibly more nuanced for people who begin their medical transition later in or after puberty. I personally think the NCAA and IOC policies about hormone levels make it more than fair - you cannot get to those testosterone levels and keep the muscle mass you had pre-HRT. As far as height is concerned, look at Jill Gill vs. Anna Smrek. Variations occur even within the same gender. And what I promise you is that nobody is going through the puberty of one gender and then medically transitioning just to be more successful in sports.
Trans kids have the highest rates of depression, anxiety, and suicide of any youth demographic. We know that gender-affirming medical care, participation in extracurriculars & sports, and the support of a community protects them from those negative outcomes. This is a no-brainer. Let them play.
I watched some videos of Tate. She looks like a talented player. I wish her a successful and happy career as a Husky. Look forward to seeing her play in the Field House.
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Post by trojansc on Dec 14, 2023 11:15:23 GMT -5
Sexualizing children is horrifying. Just curious if you have an opinion on when it's okay to expose young boys/girls to NFL/NBA etc. cheerleaders, or when it's appropriate to ask them if they have a boyfriend or girlfriend. |
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Post by trojansc on Dec 14, 2023 11:18:16 GMT -5
I have heard some strange comments from straight women wanting to have a gay kid/boy, which, are kind of strange, it'd be better to just say they would be supporting.
I bring this up because of the grooming comment. Plenty of gay men (if able to choose) wouldn't want their kids to go through the same trauma that they have been through.
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Dec 14, 2023 11:25:08 GMT -5
For those freaking out about “MALE PUBERTY,” it’s likely irrelevant in this case. Kids who transition at a young age are put on puberty blockers, and then eventually begin HRT. Trans girls who transition this early often don’t ever go through “male puberty” - the goal is usually to keep them from doing so and instead help their bodies develop as women’s do. So the growth spurt, bone and muscle development, etc. that people say grants trans girls an unfair advantage? None of that applies to those cases. We don’t know the details of Drageset’s medical history, but we do know that she grew up in a supportive family that helped her be herself from a young age, and she comes from a geographic and demographic area where the standard medical care for trans kids is available. So it’s probably a safe inference that she never went through “male puberty.” I acknowledge that the conversation about advantages in sports is possibly more nuanced for people who begin their medical transition later in or after puberty. I personally think the NCAA and IOC policies about hormone levels make it more than fair - you cannot get to those testosterone levels and keep the muscle mass you had pre-HRT. As far as height is concerned, look at Jill Gill vs. Anna Smrek. Variations occur even within the same gender. And what I promise you is that nobody is going through the puberty of one gender and then medically transitioning just to be more successful in sports. Trans kids have the highest rates of depression, anxiety, and suicide of any youth demographic. We know that gender-affirming medical care, participation in extracurriculars & sports, and the support of a community protects them from those negative outcomes. This is a no-brainer. Let them play. I watched some videos of Tate. She looks like a talented player. I wish her a successful and happy career as a Husky. Look forward to seeing her play in the Field House. Always the classiest, Rainbow. |
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Post by 808empath on Dec 14, 2023 11:54:22 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with taking kids to pride parades. I took my cousin and my 11yr old niece to Honolulu Pride this year and they absolutely loved it. My niece told me she would love to go to next years parade. 🏳️🌈 Ya my friend and I took her 8 year old daughter to Denver pride and left when 2 men were drunk having sex right next to us in the park. Maybe they could do a kid friendly day and then a non kid friendly day but what I saw was 100% not appropriate for kids. We went to this years pride parade as spectators, next year I'll be walking in the parade with my company and my fellow partners. I'll see if my cousin and my niece would want to walk in the parade with me. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 11:54:55 GMT -5
Sexualizing children is horrifying. Just curious if you have an opinion on when it's okay to expose young boys/girls to NFL/NBA etc. cheerleaders, or when it's appropriate to ask them if they have a boyfriend or girlfriend. It's absurd to equate cheerleaders of NFL/NBA teams who primarily entertain adults in a non-sexual manner to drag queens who seek out audiences of children and speak to them in often explicit sexual terms or make overt sexual gestures. I've never asked a child if they have a BF/GF, mostly because I don't give a damn whether they have a BF/GF. I don't know why anyone would. |
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Post by miss girl on Dec 14, 2023 11:57:12 GMT -5
Just curious if you have an opinion on when it's okay to expose young boys/girls to NFL/NBA etc. cheerleaders, or when it's appropriate to ask them if they have a boyfriend or girlfriend. It's absurd to equate cheerleaders of NFL/NBA teams who primarily entertain adults in a non-sexual manner to drag queens who seek out audiences of children and speak to them in often explicit sexual terms or make overt sexual gestures. I've never asked a child if they have a BF/GF, mostly because I don't give a damn whether they have a BF/GF. I don't know why anyone would. Drag queens do NOT seek out children to be explicit with. If you're going to stereotype and be hateful, go do it on twitter or insta. This website is for VOLLEYBALL DISCUSSION, not demeaning a kid for their choices. |
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Post by trojansc on Dec 14, 2023 12:02:06 GMT -5
Just curious if you have an opinion on when it's okay to expose young boys/girls to NFL/NBA etc. cheerleaders, or when it's appropriate to ask them if they have a boyfriend or girlfriend. It's absurd to equate cheerleaders of NFL/NBA teams who primarily entertain adults in a non-sexual manner to drag queens who seek out audiences of children and speak to them in often explicit sexual terms or make overt sexual gestures. I've never asked a child if they have a BF/GF, mostly because I don't give a damn whether they have a BF/GF. I don't know why anyone would. I've never been to a gay pride parade, but maybe you are more familiar or have attended some? So, I can't equate anything. But I have seen professional cheerleaders who are dressed in rather.. 'revealing' manners. I do think there are objections to that. I'd say starting even younger, but especially around middle school age, it's quite common for children to be asked. But maybe you have a distinction between child, middle school, high school, etc. Hard to tell from your post. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 12:02:07 GMT -5
For those freaking out about “MALE PUBERTY,” it’s likely irrelevant in this case. Kids who transition at a young age are put on puberty blockers, and then eventually begin HRT. Trans girls who transition this early often don’t ever go through “male puberty” - the goal is usually to keep them from doing so and instead help their bodies develop as women’s do. So the growth spurt, bone and muscle development, etc. that people say grants trans girls an unfair advantage? None of that applies to those cases. What you are describing is child abuse. It is harmful because the effects of puberty blockers are permanent. Any child who takes (or is forced to take) puberty blockers and later in life decides they actually are their birth gender will be permanetly damaged. There are numerous documented cases of this happening. There are also cases of children receiving mastectomies and later deciding that they are actually female. Again, the damage is permanent. Some of you people really are sick and twisted. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 12:03:22 GMT -5
OK, so the OP is just peddling standard transphobia. About a minor. Cool. A minor !?!?! OMG!!! What are your thoughts on drag shows for minors? What are your thoughts on exposing minors to nudity at pride parades? Stop clutching your pearls about a mentally ill teen being outed, especially when he and his parents want him to be outed. Drag shows are fine for minors. Kids are safer around drag queens than they are around priests. Pride parades are also great, though there are some who take the nudity thing too far. But really, I want to call out the complete and total lack of respect you are approaching the topic with. You don't get to tout around about mental health as if you actually care about the mental health of trans people. Tate nor her parents have ever outed her publicly in a way that puts a target on her. If they had, this story wouldn't be coming 6 months after her commitment. You won't find a single article or post about Tate being transgender until yesterday. This wasn't an issue until Tate was completely outed by that article. Had Tate truly been outed by her or her parents, as you claim, we would've heard her name much much earlier in the progression of this story. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 12:05:14 GMT -5
It's absurd to equate cheerleaders of NFL/NBA teams who primarily entertain adults in a non-sexual manner to drag queens who seek out audiences of children and speak to them in often explicit sexual terms or make overt sexual gestures. I've never asked a child if they have a BF/GF, mostly because I don't give a damn whether they have a BF/GF. I don't know why anyone would. Drag queens do NOT seek out children to be explicit with. If you're going to stereotype and be hateful, go do it on twitter or insta. This website is for VOLLEYBALL DISCUSSION, not demeaning a kid for their choices. That is absolutely untrue. Have you never heard of Drag Queen Story Hour? There are some drag queens who make it a point to perform for children. I am certainly not demeaning any children for their choices, but they are children and children often make very bad, impulsive and uninformed choices. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 12:08:48 GMT -5
Quinn identifies as transgender and non-binary, not a man. They play in the division they were assigned at birth. They? Are you talking about multiple players? No, I am using the singular "they," which has been used in the English language since the 14th century, and has been validated by APA writing guides and the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. If it is hard for you to grasp the concept of using the singular they, think of it this way- if someone were to leave kneepads at a coed open gym, I would say "Oh no, someone left THEIR kneepads. I hope THEY come back to get those." |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 14, 2023 12:10:15 GMT -5
Drag queens do NOT seek out children to be explicit with. If you're going to stereotype and be hateful, go do it on twitter or insta. This website is for VOLLEYBALL DISCUSSION, not demeaning a kid for their choices. I am certainly not demeaning any children for their choices, but they are children and children often make very bad, impulsive and uninformed choices. Like attend a football camp at Penn State? |
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