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Post by maplespear on Dec 14, 2023 12:43:04 GMT -5
Another thread where Chas/alter ego starts just for the drama and attention.
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Post by babybacksets on Dec 14, 2023 12:45:22 GMT -5
Perfect example of progressive liberal bullying that goes on especially on this board. Then you screamed for the moderators as if you’re the ones being victimized. Such a coward. What did you expect? They know they can't defend the indefensible, so they immediately resort to the ad hominem fallacy. No. It’s because your hateful and bigoted so therefore you shouldn’t be taken seriously because you aren’t arguing as an honest actor, wanting to be informed, you are doing so from a place of natural hate for trans athletes and a desire to “otherize” them in any way possible. |
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Post by babybacksets on Dec 14, 2023 12:46:40 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with taking kids to pride parades. I took my cousin and my 11yr old niece to Honolulu Pride this year and they absolutely loved it. My niece told me she would love to go to next years parade. 🏳️🌈 Ya my friend and I took her 8 year old daughter to Denver pride and left when 2 men were drunk having sex right next to us in the park. Maybe they could do a kid friendly day and then a non kid friendly day but what I saw was 100% not appropriate for kids. You could see this from a straight couple and pretty much any major festival. It’s not the environment, it’s the individuals. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 12:49:59 GMT -5
What you are describing is child abuse. It is harmful because the effects of puberty blockers are permanent. Any child who takes (or is forced to take) puberty blockers and later in life decides they actually are their birth gender will be permanetly damaged. There are numerous documented cases of this happening. There are also cases of children receiving mastectomies and later deciding that they are actually female. Again, the damage is permanent. Some of you people really are sick and twisted. I think forcing someone to stay in the body they clearly do not want to be in, therefore raising their chance at suicide and depression exponentially is much closer to child abuse than allowing someone to feel comfortable in their own body… also, puberty blockers are not permanent. they “block” puberty from happening, but as soon as you stop taking them, puberty will start. if someone born as a male wants to transition and take puberty blockers, and then decides that he wants to stay a male, then he can stop taking puberty blockers, and if necessary, could very easy start taking other hormone supplements to make sure puberty happens in the healthiest way possible. almost all states do not allow gender affirming SURGERY to minors, so those are very, VERY rare cases. but even if it was more common… you can reverse the surgeries. sure, not naturally, but how do you then trans women and trans men get their preferred “parts” after they turn 18? we have ways now… but you know this. even if up to a quarter of trans people wanted to go back to their original gender, why should we disallow the 3/4 that don’t? seems like you want to stop the majority because of a small minority. if you don’t want trans people in sports because of a biological advantage, let trans people stop that biological advantage. it’s disgusting to want it both ways (not letting trans people be trans until through puberty but because they’ve been through puberty, they can’t play sports). sports created many of my best memories and I cant imagine not have been able to play because I just wanted to be comfortable in my own body. Adults can do what they want. They can take as many hormones as they like or get their breasts or penises removed it they wish. Children are a different matter. Children do not have good judgement. Children cannot process information in the same way adults do. Children often change their minds and their perceptions of themselves and others as they get older. That is the norm. It is not an anomaly. Your statement that the effects of puberty blockers are reversible is absurd. I can provide you with documentation, but I'm sure you know how to use Google. A biological advantage at birth can't be erased fully, regardless of the quantity of hormones consumed. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Dec 14, 2023 12:50:26 GMT -5
Ya my friend and I took her 8 year old daughter to Denver pride and left when 2 men were drunk having sex right next to us in the park. Maybe they could do a kid friendly day and then a non kid friendly day but what I saw was 100% not appropriate for kids. You could see this from a straight couple and pretty much any major festival. It’s not the environment, it’s the individuals. I saw 2 straights absolutely going at it at a St Patrick’s Day parade once in Dallas. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 14, 2023 12:51:38 GMT -5
You could see this from a straight couple and pretty much any major festival. It’s not the environment, it’s the individuals. I saw 2 straights absolutely going at it at a St Patrick’s Day parade once in Dallas. We should ban the straights |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 12:52:32 GMT -5
What you are describing is child abuse. It is harmful because the effects of puberty blockers are permanent. Any child who takes (or is forced to take) puberty blockers and later in life decides they actually are their birth gender will be permanetly damaged. There are numerous documented cases of this happening. There are also cases of children receiving mastectomies and later deciding that they are actually female. Again, the damage is permanent.
Some of you people really are sick and twisted. Statements like this are often used as way to argue against gender affirming care. Research and data shows that individuals who receive top surgery (masectomies) are overwhelmingly satisfied with their decision and very very few regret their decision to have surgery. Many medical centers have guidelines in place to ensure that the risk of regret remains low. There is a long process that can ultimately lead to surgery, and by the time that point is reached, surgery has been on the mind of the individual for a very long time. When it comes to chldren, it is better to err on the side of caution. I don't know what is so damn hard to understand about that. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Dec 14, 2023 12:52:41 GMT -5
I think forcing someone to stay in the body they clearly do not want to be in, therefore raising their chance at suicide and depression exponentially is much closer to child abuse than allowing someone to feel comfortable in their own body… also, puberty blockers are not permanent. they “block” puberty from happening, but as soon as you stop taking them, puberty will start. if someone born as a male wants to transition and take puberty blockers, and then decides that he wants to stay a male, then he can stop taking puberty blockers, and if necessary, could very easy start taking other hormone supplements to make sure puberty happens in the healthiest way possible. almost all states do not allow gender affirming SURGERY to minors, so those are very, VERY rare cases. but even if it was more common… you can reverse the surgeries. sure, not naturally, but how do you then trans women and trans men get their preferred “parts” after they turn 18? we have ways now… but you know this. even if up to a quarter of trans people wanted to go back to their original gender, why should we disallow the 3/4 that don’t? seems like you want to stop the majority because of a small minority. if you don’t want trans people in sports because of a biological advantage, let trans people stop that biological advantage. it’s disgusting to want it both ways (not letting trans people be trans until through puberty but because they’ve been through puberty, they can’t play sports). sports created many of my best memories and I cant imagine not have been able to play because I just wanted to be comfortable in my own body. Adults can do what they want. They can take as many hormones as they like or get their breasts or penises removed it they wish. Children are a different matter. Children do not have good judgement. Children cannot process information in the same way adults do. Children often change their minds and their perceptions of themselves and others as they get older. That is the norm. It is not an anomaly. Your statement that the effects of puberty blockers are reversible is absurd. I can provide you with documentation, but I'm sure you know how to use Google. A biological advantage at birth can't be erased fully, regardless of the quantity of hormones consumed. You do realize a lot of the children you’re portending to care so deeply about end up killing themselves before they reach that sacred state of adulthood in which you’re ready to trust their judgment. Like a lot a lot. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Dec 14, 2023 12:53:48 GMT -5
I saw 2 straights absolutely going at it at a St Patrick’s Day parade once in Dallas. We should ban the straights I second! |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 14, 2023 12:54:56 GMT -5
That doesn’t happen in major metropolitan cities amongst heterosexuals? I’d suggest that a gay pride event is not appropriate for “your” kids. When is the last time you saw a public parade for heterosexuals where the whole point of the parade was to celebrate (and often demonstrate) sexual activity? I can't believe there are people like you who are so unwilling to condemn sexual activity in front of children because you can't bring yourself you criticize any abhorrent behavior of one of your favored groups. Did you just actually suggest that whole point of a gay pride parade was to celebrate sexual activity? Of course I condemn sexual activity in front of children, but you stated that was a behavior exhibited by homosexuals, and that is of course ludicrous. I saw a couple having sex in a football parking lot, are you condemning white people? The NFL?? |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 14, 2023 12:55:48 GMT -5
You could see this from a straight couple and pretty much any major festival. It’s not the environment, it’s the individuals. I saw 2 straights absolutely going at it at a St Patrick’s Day parade once in Dallas. Condemn the Irish!! |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 12:58:59 GMT -5
Adults can do what they want. They can take as many hormones as they like or get their breasts or penises removed it they wish. Children are a different matter. Children do not have good judgement. Children cannot process information in the same way adults do. Children often change their minds and their perceptions of themselves and others as they get older. That is the norm. It is not an anomaly. Your statement that the effects of puberty blockers are reversible is absurd. I can provide you with documentation, but I'm sure you know how to use Google. A biological advantage at birth can't be erased fully, regardless of the quantity of hormones consumed. You do realize a lot of the children you’re portending to care so deeply about end up killing themselves before they reach that sacred state of adulthood in which you’re ready to trust their judgment. Like a lot a lot. Actually, I don't trust the judgement of adults who are mentally ill, in this case afflicted with Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria. Those children are not killing themselves because they aren't getting puberty blockers. They are killing themselves because they are suffering from severe mental illness. I think you are confusing "portend" with "pretend". Actually, there is no pretense in my position. I don't particularly like to be around children. In fact, I usually avoid them. However, I sure as hell am opposed to harming them. Someone has to protect them, and it sure as hell won't be some sick, twisted **** like you. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 12:59:18 GMT -5
That article was the most awful thing I’ve read in a long time. By referring to her as a he continuously that article is just spewing hate. There’s a way to discuss issues like this but not when you open up by posting that pos article. No it’s scientifically correct. People are doing things based on feelings and not facts. Just because people don’t want to participate in this mass psychosis doesn’t make them bad. If you can’t accept what you are why should others acceot what you arnt. I know , I’m a dangerous transphobe because I live in reality and not fantasy world. People can choose to label themselves whatever that want and that’s fine but it doesn’t mean everyone should be forced to follow. I identify as correct so you have to believe me. See how this works. The whole thing is insanity and if people want to live that way fine but stop trying to force it on everyone |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 14, 2023 13:00:40 GMT -5
Adults can do what they want. They can take as many hormones as they like or get their breasts or penises removed it they wish. Children are a different matter. Children do not have good judgement. Children cannot process information in the same way adults do. Children often change their minds and their perceptions of themselves and others as they get older. That is the norm. It is not an anomaly. Your statement that the effects of puberty blockers are reversible is absurd. I can provide you with documentation, but I'm sure you know how to use Google. A biological advantage at birth can't be erased fully, regardless of the quantity of hormones consumed. I didn’t say they were reversible if you’ve gone through the entire process. I specifically gave a hypothetical where a person changed their mind somewhat early (still in the timeframe where puberty occurs). if someone changes their mind decades later, then that’s a completely different story. but those stories are rare. much more rare than trans people staying in the body their transitioned to. why do you want the majority to suffer for a small minority? I also specifically mentioned how gender affirming surgeries are not allowed in 99.9% of cases before adulthood. I’m not saying children should be getting gender affirming surgeries either. I would like to make that clear. I also don’t agree with your statement that children often change their perception of themselves when it comes to their gender identity. I have never once thought I was a woman? maybe I’m in the minority though? maybe you have? idk! I guess I’ve just never heard a non-trans person in my life say that they at some point in their childhood thought they were the opposite gender. I’ve definitely heard people say they were “tomboys”, but being a tomboy doesn’t mean you identify as a boy. if someone doesn’t go through puberty as a male, where is the biological advantage anymore? found this in the national library of medicine: “There does not seem to be any reason to expect advantage for transgender people prior to puberty of or for transgender people whose gender-affirming treatment begins at the onset of puberty.” so let trans people get gender-affirming treatment. treatment≠surgery btw. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 14, 2023 13:02:04 GMT -5
What did you expect? They know they can't defend the indefensible, so they immediately resort to the ad hominem fallacy. No. It’s because your hateful and bigoted so therefore you shouldn’t be taken seriously because you aren’t arguing as an honest actor, wanting to be informed, you are doing so from a place of natural hate for trans athletes and a desire to “otherize” them in any way possible. You couldn't possibly know what place I'm arguing from. You only know what place you want me to be arguing from, so you feel justified in not addressing anything I'm saying and just resorting to ad hominem attacks. In your mind, the only honest actor is the actor who agrees with your nonsense. |
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