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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 19:45:59 GMT -5
You are taking the most ridiculous specific extreme takes. First you want to argue a house with family members and then a party in the house with strangers. Just stop. First off most abuse in a house has nothing to do with bathroom. Most sexual abuse takes place in a bedroom. Stop with this insanity There's so much irony here. You were talking about having to protect women re: sex crimes in the bathroom. Trans individuals are *very* likely to experience harassment in the bathroom, whereas crimes committed by trans individuals in bathroom's is VERY rare. Have any data you'd like to share to support otherwise? It looks like you're arguing in the extreme. You are not getting it. If you open bathrooms and lockerooms up to males just claiming they are women and allowed in it will create an environment that will be completely abused and will be a feeding ground for sexual predators. I never said being trans makes you a sexual predator. What I’m saying is people will abuse this and use it to get what they want
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 19:47:52 GMT -5
Trust me it’s easy to spot adam’s apple from a medical perspective. I didn’t bring up any bathroom violence. My response is solely based on transgender appearances only. Not all cis-gender males have Adam’s Apples. Not all cis-gender females lack them. it’s just one of the distinctive features that identify a gender. How about voice, shoulders, hips, thighs, breasts??
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Post by vbtalk on Dec 14, 2023 19:47:55 GMT -5
Do you think adopted children should be allowed to call their adoptive parents Mom and Dad? Totally incomparable scenarios. There is mutual agreement between adoptive parents and children to call each other however they want to. There is nothing political about this. However with regards to trans people, like I said, if it’s medically indicated in their records then I will honor it. Okay, but YOU haven’t agreed to any part of their adoption. Will you refer to the adoptive parents as the kid’s Mom and Dad or parents? I mean, the kid’s medical records do not say anything about the adoptive parents. No need to answer here, we all know what the answer is.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 19:47:57 GMT -5
Who’s talking about strangers? And this also isn’t remotely true. Have you never been to a party? You are taking the most ridiculous specific extreme takes. First you want to argue a house with family members and then a party in the house with strangers. Just stop. First off most abuse in a house has nothing to do with bathroom. Most sexual abuse takes place in a bedroom. Stop with this insanity Please cite your sources.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 19:48:21 GMT -5
So you don’t have an issue with someone who, in your opinion, looks like a man, using a women’s restroom. Got it! Not if their a biological woman no I don’t None of this actually helps to prevent sexual assault though. For example, in North Carolina there are mandates that people use bathrooms corresponding to their biological sex. So transmen would have to use the women's restroom if their birth certificate had an F on it. Just as you suggest people may pretend to be trans to gain access to other restrooms, a cisgender man could pretend to be a transman and still enter the women's restroom under NC law. History and evidence shows that is very very unlikely to happen. Laws regarding protecting transgender people are not having an impact on male predators who intend to cause harm. Nor would these laws decriminalize sexual assault, which is still legal regardless of the gender identity of the perpetrator. While there are few stories of heterosexual cisgender men dressing up as women to gain access to their spaces, there is absolutely no evidence that suggests the likelihood of that increasing when trans-inclusive policies are in place. Pinning your fears on people who are also vulnerable in bathrooms and just as, if not more, likely to be victims of assault doesn't solve any problems.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 19:48:53 GMT -5
There's so much irony here. You were talking about having to protect women re: sex crimes in the bathroom. Trans individuals are *very* likely to experience harassment in the bathroom, whereas crimes committed by trans individuals in bathroom's is VERY rare. Have any data you'd like to share to support otherwise? It looks like you're arguing in the extreme. You are not getting it. If you open bathrooms and lockerooms up to males just claiming they are women and allowed in it will create an environment that will be completely abused and will be a feeding ground for sexual predators. Like private homes?
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Post by donut on Dec 14, 2023 19:50:56 GMT -5
Not all cis-gender males have Adam’s Apples. Not all cis-gender females lack them. it’s just one of the distinctive features that identify a gender. How about voice, shoulders, hips, thighs, breasts?? HAHA ok so you're lying about being a doctor confirmed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 19:51:17 GMT -5
You are not getting it. If you open bathrooms and lockerooms up to males just claiming they are women and allowed in it will create an environment that will be completely abused and will be a feeding ground for sexual predators. Like private homes? What is it with you and private homes. I’m done with this. You are not getting it.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 19:53:32 GMT -5
What is it with you and private homes. I’m done with this. You are not getting it. I am definitely getting it
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Post by JT on Dec 14, 2023 19:54:43 GMT -5
Not all cis-gender males have Adam’s Apples. Not all cis-gender females lack them. it’s just one of the distinctive features that identify a gender. How about voice, shoulders, hips, thighs, breasts?? Voice ranges overlap. Shoulder width overlaps, and will be further confused/muddied by weight training. Hips overlap. Thighs overlap, and can be disguised. Breast size overlaps, and can be disguised (in either direction). And all that’s *before* hormone treatment or surgery.
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 19:55:43 GMT -5
it’s just one of the distinctive features that identify a gender. How about voice, shoulders, hips, thighs, breasts?? HAHA ok so you're lying about being a doctor confirmed. did I even mention my title 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 19:55:52 GMT -5
What is it with you and private homes. I’m done with this. You are not getting it. I am definitely getting it Ok , sure, fine . We’re done then. Move on
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 19:57:28 GMT -5
Totally incomparable scenarios. There is mutual agreement between adoptive parents and children to call each other however they want to. There is nothing political about this. However with regards to trans people, like I said, if it’s medically indicated in their records then I will honor it. Okay, but YOU haven’t agreed to any part of their adoption. Will you refer to the adoptive parents as the kid’s Mom and Dad or parents? I mean, the kid’s medical records do not say anything about the adoptive parents. No need to answer here, we all know what the answer is. Adoption rights have never been a political issue unlike how this gender BS has been sensationalized. Period. That is the answer.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 19:59:42 GMT -5
There's so much irony here. You were talking about having to protect women re: sex crimes in the bathroom. Trans individuals are *very* likely to experience harassment in the bathroom, whereas crimes committed by trans individuals in bathroom's is VERY rare. Have any data you'd like to share to support otherwise? It looks like you're arguing in the extreme. You are not getting it. If you open bathrooms and lockerooms up to males just claiming they are women and allowed in it will create an environment that will be completely abused and will be a feeding ground for sexual predators. I never said being trans makes you a sexual predator. What I’m saying is people will abuse this and use it to get what they want Really it's you who are not getting it. What you are describing already exists- there are many places where you can use the bathroom based on your gender identity. There are also places where you can't. No data/evidence suggests that there is an increase of sexual abuse in bathrooms between the two situations. Meaning, it is not more likely for people to abuse gender inclusive bathroom policies in order to harm others, nor does excluding trans people in these policies prevent predators from being predators. You are the one talking in extremes because you are speaking hypothetically about this as if there aren't already cities and states that allow trans and non-binary people to use the restroom they'd like.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 20:00:35 GMT -5
Okay, but YOU haven’t agreed to any part of their adoption. Will you refer to the adoptive parents as the kid’s Mom and Dad or parents? I mean, the kid’s medical records do not say anything about the adoptive parents. No need to answer here, we all know what the answer is. Adoption rights have never been a political issue unlike how this gender BS has been sensationalized. Period. That is the answer. This is very inaccurate. Adoption is very political - Mixed race adoption, adoption by LGBT folks.
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