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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 20:03:42 GMT -5
Okay, but YOU haven’t agreed to any part of their adoption. Will you refer to the adoptive parents as the kid’s Mom and Dad or parents? I mean, the kid’s medical records do not say anything about the adoptive parents. No need to answer here, we all know what the answer is. Adoption rights have never been a political issue unlike how this gender BS has been sensationalized. Period. That is the answer. Uh what? There has always been policy/law around adoption. Politics has and continues to prevent certain people/couples from adopting children.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 20:03:54 GMT -5
You are not getting it. If you open bathrooms and lockerooms up to males just claiming they are women and allowed in it will create an environment that will be completely abused and will be a feeding ground for sexual predators. I never said being trans makes you a sexual predator. What I’m saying is people will abuse this and use it to get what they want Really it's you who are not getting it. What you are describing already exists- there are many places where you can use the bathroom based on your gender identity. There are also places where you can't. No data/evidence suggests that there is an increase of sexual abuse in bathrooms between the two situations. Meaning, it is not more likely for people to abuse gender inclusive bathroom policies in order to harm others, nor does excluding trans people in these policies prevent predators from being predators. You are the one talking in extremes because you are speaking hypothetically about this as if there aren't already cities and states that allow trans and non-binary people to use the restroom they'd like. Ok sure. You are entitled to have the beliefs you have and me have mine. That’s fine. I’ve already expressed my thoughts. So that’s fine and you yours. No reason to go round and round. Just to move on to something else. I’m just ready to retire this conversation and move to something else
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 20:08:50 GMT -5
Really it's you who are not getting it. What you are describing already exists- there are many places where you can use the bathroom based on your gender identity. There are also places where you can't. No data/evidence suggests that there is an increase of sexual abuse in bathrooms between the two situations. Meaning, it is not more likely for people to abuse gender inclusive bathroom policies in order to harm others, nor does excluding trans people in these policies prevent predators from being predators. You are the one talking in extremes because you are speaking hypothetically about this as if there aren't already cities and states that allow trans and non-binary people to use the restroom they'd like. Ok sure. You are entitled to have the beliefs you have and me have mine. That’s fine. I’ve already expressed my thoughts. So that’s fine and you yours. No reason to go round and round. Just to move on to something else Huh? This isn't about a difference of belief but rather you just straight ignoring data and statistics. You can't just say allowing trans people to use whatever restroom increases the safety risk for others because it is fact that that's not true. Not a belief. Not an opinion. But an evidence-based fact that what you are describing doesn't exist. If you would like to provide any data to support your "beliefs," please do so. But you can't just spew out false information under the guise that you are entitled to that belief and then run away when that is pointed out.
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Post by vbtalk on Dec 14, 2023 20:11:21 GMT -5
Okay, but YOU haven’t agreed to any part of their adoption. Will you refer to the adoptive parents as the kid’s Mom and Dad or parents? I mean, the kid’s medical records do not say anything about the adoptive parents. No need to answer here, we all know what the answer is. Adoption rights have never been a political issue unlike how this gender BS has been sensationalized. Period. That is the answer. My point is that you are part of the problem. Just use their preferred pronouns. There’s no difference in that than calling a dude named James, Jim because that’s how he prefers to be addressed. It doesn’t affect you at all. I’m not telling you that you have to agree to everything. Just use their damn pronouns and quit being an a-hole just for the sake of being an a-hole.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 20:12:00 GMT -5
Ok sure. You are entitled to have the beliefs you have and me have mine. That’s fine. I’ve already expressed my thoughts. So that’s fine and you yours. No reason to go round and round. Just to move on to something else Huh? This isn't about a difference of belief but rather you just straight ignoring data and statistics. You can't just say allowing trans people to use whatever restroom increases the safety risk for others because it is fact that that's not true. Not a belief. Not an opinion. But an evidence-based fact that what you are describing doesn't exist. If you would like to provide any data to support your "beliefs," please do so. But you can't just spew out false information under the guise that you are entitled to that belief and then run away when that is pointed out. . I’m not running away. I’m just done with this conversation. Cause I know it’s gonna go nowhere. I’ll argue my reasoning within those stats and then you will argue yours and on and on we will go Stop trying to pretend to have some kinda moral high ground. Nobody on either side of most conversations usually ever has that. Just let it go and move on. If you feel the need to have to get the last word in then so be it. You can have it without any rebuttal. Congrats
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 20:17:42 GMT -5
Adoption rights have never been a political issue unlike how this gender BS has been sensationalized. Period. That is the answer. My point is that you are part of the problem. Just use their preferred pronouns. There’s no difference in that than calling a dude named James, Jim because that’s how he prefers to be addressed. It doesn’t affect you at all. I’m not telling you that you have to agree to everything. Just use their damn pronouns and quit being an a-hole just for the sake of being an a-hole. I will call them by their preferred first name. I don’t have a problem with it.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 20:20:10 GMT -5
It’s hard to want to engage in conversation with someone who won’t even approach the conversation with decency and respect. I applaud you for trying to have a respectful conversation, too bad it's not reciprocated by those who aren't interested in being honest, respectable or hearing truths they don't like. Thanks, I am used to it as this is what I do for my day job. I work in LGBTQ+ advocacy/education fulltime and spend my days training others on how not to be transphobic, homophobic, or just plain sh*tty humans. I also provide gender-affirming support and resources to trans and non-binary individuals through a holistic approach,meaning we talk about a lot before even thinking about surgery (you can be trans with absolutely no medical intervention). I spent two years in grad school studying the process of sexual and gender identity development (every single person goes through these processes- straight, gay, trans, cis) and have read, analyzed, and presented on research/data surrounding the queer community through an intersectional lens. I'm sure many of you wouldn't have expected that from a Baylor Bear, but I pay my bills by having these conversations every day.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 20:27:18 GMT -5
Huh? This isn't about a difference of belief but rather you just straight ignoring data and statistics. You can't just say allowing trans people to use whatever restroom increases the safety risk for others because it is fact that that's not true. Not a belief. Not an opinion. But an evidence-based fact that what you are describing doesn't exist. If you would like to provide any data to support your "beliefs," please do so. But you can't just spew out false information under the guise that you are entitled to that belief and then run away when that is pointed out. . I’m not running away. I’m just done with this conversation. Cause I know it’s gonna go nowhere. I’ll argue my reasoning within those stats and then you will argue yours and on and on we will go Stop trying to pretend to have some kinda moral high ground. Nobody on either side of most conversations usually ever has that. Just let it go and move on. If you feel the need to have to get the last word in then so be it. You can have it without any rebuttal. Congrats It's going nowhere because YOU are choosing to ignore points being made by others. I am not pretending to have a moral high ground. I am simply asking why you keep stating things that are not backed by evidence. Had you tried arguing your reasoning with stats, I would've at least had a chance to make sense of what you are saying. But you are just talking in hypotheticals about situations that are not likely to occur. The fact is, in states/cities that have protective policies around trans people and bathrooms, there has not been an increase in predatory men abusing those policies. You are saying that introducing trans inclusive policies would lead to something that is not occurring in the places that already have those policies you are talking about.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 20:36:13 GMT -5
My point is that you are part of the problem. Just use their preferred pronouns. There’s no difference in that than calling a dude named James, Jim because that’s how he prefers to be addressed. It doesn’t affect you at all. I’m not telling you that you have to agree to everything. Just use their damn pronouns and quit being an a-hole just for the sake of being an a-hole. I will call them by their preferred first name. I don’t have a problem with it. Names and pronouns are connected though. Pronouns are used to refer to someone in place of their name. So just as people adjust/choose their names to fit how they want to be referred to, pronouns follow suit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 20:46:15 GMT -5
I will call them by their preferred first name. I don’t have a problem with it. Names and pronouns are connected though. Pronouns are used to refer to someone in place of their name. So just as people adjust/choose their names to fit how they want to be referred to, pronouns follow suit. For the subject just involving gender identity and pronouns how can’t you see that this isn’t bringing people together. It’s resegregation. We are putting people into more and more boxes. That’s fact and bringing people together by pulling them apart is an oxymoron. Let’s bring people together by dividing them into more and more boxes. That’s the same oxymoron as let’s not see race by talking about it every second. People are being put into more and more boxes and pitted against eachother.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 20:50:03 GMT -5
The comedy of the troglodytes trying to sound smart never ceases to amuse me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 20:52:14 GMT -5
The comedy of the troglodytes trying to sound smart never ceases to amuse me. Sure, name calling. That’s always a sign you have lost the argument or have no valid argument
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 20:57:26 GMT -5
I will call them by their preferred first name. I don’t have a problem with it. Names and pronouns are connected though. Pronouns are used to refer to someone in place of their name. So just as people adjust/choose their names to fit how they want to be referred to, pronouns follow suit. Personally, if John prefers to be called by Jenny then I will call him Jenny. I don’t have any issue with that. My issue here is a biological male wants to play in a female league. That is cheating.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 21:00:28 GMT -5
The comedy of the troglodytes trying to sound smart never ceases to amuse me. Sure, name calling. That’s always a sign you have lost the argument or have no valid argument Why would you take my post personally? Also, I am not trying to “win” an argument. I have no interest in the perspective of any of the posters on this thread who want to bash trans people or argue for limiting their participation in our society, including sports.
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Post by alhorford90 on Dec 14, 2023 21:02:27 GMT -5
Good for her. Fully support her playing.
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