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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 21:03:49 GMT -5
Sure, name calling. That’s always a sign you have lost the argument or have no valid argument Why would you take my post personally? Also, I am not trying to “win” an argument. I have no interest in the perspective of any of the posters on this thread who want to bash trans people or argue for limiting their participation in our society, including sports. I’m not taking it personally and am no way bashing trans in that statement. I’m just noting what I observe and making more and more genders and pronouns just keeps making more boxes and how to you come together through division.? How do you not see color by bringing it up in society at every turn. That’s no bashing anyone just stating obvious logic. These two things contradict eachother. Nor am I trying to limit their participation in society. I’m arguing for situations that would be unfair. I don’t have any issues with any of the individuals. It’s the concept itself I have a issue with. To me there’s no such thing as a trans person. That’s suggests you can just changes your sex/ gender at will of you feel like it and I think the concept is ludicrous. I have no problem with the individuals themselves like I said it’s the concept. Bi , gay and lesbian I get as to those are sexual preference. Those are not in the same category as all the rest. The others are gender identity.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 21:23:00 GMT -5
Why would you take my post personally? Also, I am not trying to “win” an argument. I have no interest in the perspective of any of the posters on this thread who want to bash trans people or argue for limiting their participation in our society, including sports. I’m not taking it personally and am no way bashing trans in that statement. I’m just noting what I observe and making more and more genders and pronouns just keeps making more boxes and how to you come together through division.? How do you not see color by bringing it up in society at every turn. That’s no bashing anyone just stating obvious logic. These two things contradict eachother. Nor am I trying to limit their participation in society. I’m arguing for situations that would be unfair. I don’t have any issues with any of the individuals. It’s the concept itself I have a issue with. To me there’s no such thing as a trans person. That’s suggests you can just changes your sex/ gender at will of you feel like it and I think the concept is ludicrous. I have no problem with the individuals themselves like I said it’s the concept. Bi , gay and lesbian I get as to those are sexual preference. Those are not in the same category as all the rest. The others are gender identity. You have to talk about unfairness to stop it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 21:28:56 GMT -5
I’m not taking it personally and am no way bashing trans in that statement. I’m just noting what I observe and making more and more genders and pronouns just keeps making more boxes and how to you come together through division.? How do you not see color by bringing it up in society at every turn. That’s no bashing anyone just stating obvious logic. These two things contradict eachother. Nor am I trying to limit their participation in society. I’m arguing for situations that would be unfair. I don’t have any issues with any of the individuals. It’s the concept itself I have an issue with. To me there’s no such thing as a trans person. That’s suggests you can just changes your sex/ gender at will of you feel like it and I think the concept is ludicrous. I have no problem with the individuals themselves like I said it’s the concept. Bi , gay and lesbian I get as to those are sexual preference. Those are not in the same category as all the rest. The others are gender identity. You have to talk about unfairness to stop it. Ok yes. What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to correlate that to the let’s not see color by talking about it all the time. 🤣🤣🤣 Look there are always gonna be racist people. But as a whole many people didn’t see color until people started bringing it up every second and using it for every argument. That is not the same things as talking about unfairness to stop it
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 21:32:29 GMT -5
You have to talk about unfairness to stop it. Ok yes. What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to correlate that to the let’s not see color by talking about it all the time. 🤣🤣🤣 Among other things I find incorrect about your posts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 21:33:38 GMT -5
Ok yes. What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to correlate that to the let’s not see color by talking about it all the time. 🤣🤣🤣 Among other things I find incorrect about your posts. . How is the statement wrong and not contradictory?
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 21:35:18 GMT -5
“Look there are always gonna be racist people. But as a whole many people didn’t see color until people started bringing it up every second and using it for every argument. That is not the same things as talking about unfairness to stop it”
I am sure people who owned slaves, colonized, supported segregation, fought interracial marriage, and more, weren’t seeing color.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 21:39:16 GMT -5
“Look there are always gonna be racist people. But as a whole many people didn’t see color until people started bringing it up every second and using it for every argument. That is not the same things as talking about unfairness to stop it” I am sure people who owned slaves, colonized, supported segregation, fought interracial marriage, and more, weren’t seeing color. . Sorry I wasn’t specific. I wasn’t referring to that far back. I was referring to last few decades before people became obsessed with race. We are using race now as a catchall anytime we disagree with someone. People have gone insane. Ex. Wanting to give reperations in California from people who were never slave owners to people who were never slaves in a state that never had slavery. Make it make sense.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 21:41:15 GMT -5
“Look there are always gonna be racist people. But as a whole many people didn’t see color until people started bringing it up every second and using it for every argument. That is not the same things as talking about unfairness to stop it” I am sure people who owned slaves, colonized, supported segregation, fought interracial marriage, and more, weren’t seeing color. . Sorry I wasn’t specific. I wasn’t referring to that far back. I was referring to last few decades before people became obsessed with race. … because of 500 years of realities of the past.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 21:44:20 GMT -5
. Sorry I wasn’t specific. I wasn’t referring to that far back. I was referring to last few decades before people became obsessed with race. … because of 500 years of realities of the past. You do realize almost every race in history has been the oppressor and the oppresed at some point. You can’t just cherry pick a specific time period. If we’re gonna give reperations then every person on this planet deserves it it some way. People also realize I hope that white people arnt the only race that owned slaves right?
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 21:47:24 GMT -5
… because of 500 years of realities of the past. You do realize almost every race in history has been the oppressor and the oppresed at some point. You can’t just cherry pick a specific time period. If we’re gonna give reperations then every person on this planet deserves it it some way You believe “no one cared about race” for the last several decades.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 21:48:31 GMT -5
You do realize almost every race in history has been the oppressor and the oppresed at some point. You can’t just cherry pick a specific time period. If we’re gonna give reperations then every person on this planet deserves it it some way You believe “no one cared about race” for the last several decades. I believe that racism exists and it always has and always will. I believe in this country things were better then they were in past not worse. I also believe any race can be racist. It’s not exclusive to any individual race. That’s absurd
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 21:51:43 GMT -5
You believe “no one cared about race” for the last several decades. I believe that racism exists and it always has and always will. I believe in this country things were better then they were in past not worse. I also believe any race can be racist So you believe things that most people in the majority feel to help them not face reality. Love that for you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 21:52:29 GMT -5
I believe that racism exists and it always has and always will. I believe in this country things were better then they were in past not worse. I also believe any race can be racist So you believe things that most people in the majority feel to help them not face reality. Love that for you. . What? I don’t know what you were trying to say. I’m Making the point that there will always be racist people. We try are best to keep things within a balance the best we can but it will always exist. Just like terrorists will always exists cause their will always be crazy people. We arnt helping anyone making people believe they are perpetual victims. Everyone can have a victimhood claim in some way if they wanted
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 22:15:57 GMT -5
So you believe things that most people in the majority feel to help them not face reality. Love that for you. . What? I don’t know what you were trying to say. I’m Making the point that there will always be racist people. We try are best to keep things within a balance the best we can but it will always exist. Just like terrorists will always exists cause their will always be crazy people. We arnt helping anyone making people believe they are perpetual victims. Everyone can have a victimhood claim in some way if they wanted My point is that I think you’re an apologist and prefer not to think very hard.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Dec 15, 2023 9:29:11 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with any of what you said but why can’t, in the case of sports, competitors be categorized by XX and XY? What do we do with those who are neither? What do we do with those who have a translocation of part of the Y chromosome, such that they either (A) express male characteristics without a Y chromosome, or (B) fail to express male characteristics, despite having a Y chromosome? Biology is not as simple as you were taught in high school (or even college). The hypotheticals aren't as complex as you would want them to be. If an XX individual with de la Chapelle syndrome really wants to compete with XY individuals, let em, other than that I'd say that those with a Y chromosome compete with others with a Y chromosome. The Y chromosome becomes the determinant of who(m) an individual competes with and against. Of course, special cases can be made and determined on an individual basis, but groupings based off of biology and science still don't seem like the worst way to go.
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