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Post by thereisnoplace on Dec 15, 2023 12:04:38 GMT -5
You can see him however you want. But others are allowed to say NO to whatever new social grievance you've imagined for the moment.
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Post by staticb on Dec 15, 2023 12:05:25 GMT -5
You can see him however you want. But others are allowed to say NO to whatever new social grievance you've imagined for the moment. And some are allowed to say YES. Like the NCAA and colleges.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Dec 15, 2023 12:05:39 GMT -5
Let her play. Are we going to pretend that 6’9” smrek doesn’t have a “biological advantage”? Like come on now Outliers like Smrek, Booth, or Dana Rettke still have the commonality of being XX (as far as we know). And although Smrek may share the same height distinction of LeBron James, their muscle mass and their ability to increase muscle mass are markedly different.
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Post by nederlander on Dec 15, 2023 12:41:46 GMT -5
I posted earlier in this thread and bowed out when the pitchforks and rocks started coming out, but I’ll state again what I stated earlier. It does not of necessity follow that someone supporting women’s athletics by advocating that only biological females compete in girls and womens sports, is transphobic. That assumption is patently unfair. You can support the trans community, embrace the friends, or people that you know who are a part of that community, and be willing to speak up for that community, AND at the same time support other members of the community in the same way. There will often be difficult choices as you try to balance the needs of more than one community, but that’s part of life.
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Post by raian13 on Dec 15, 2023 12:53:35 GMT -5
Personally, if John prefers to be called by Jenny then I will call him Jenny. I don’t have any issue with that. My issue here is a biological male wants to play in a female league. That is cheating. MWC already has one. Apparently it must not be common knowledge. Obviously it’s not and that should have been intervened.
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 15, 2023 13:01:22 GMT -5
MWC already has one. Apparently it must not be common knowledge. Obviously it’s not and that should have been intervened. Why?
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Post by JT on Dec 15, 2023 13:11:51 GMT -5
If you believe biological men should be allowed to play in biological female sports, then that might be a clear sign you have moved too far left. I have never seen or heard of a sport such as “biological female soccer” or “biological women’s basketball.” For that matter, when MN had separate departments (MICA and WICA) there was never a “B” to start off the acronym.
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Post by staticb on Dec 15, 2023 13:19:59 GMT -5
Just an opinion. Don’t go nuts. (Bad pun) The above statement is a very logical and practical opinion. I agree with it. If you believe biological men should be allowed to play in biological female sports, then that might be a clear sign you have moved too far left. Females should be protected from this. I believe most rational people would agree. This statistic: Approxi- mately 58% of transgender patients had at least one DSM-5 diagnosis compared with 13.6% of cisgender patients (p<0.0005). Clearly shows mental illness is a part of this situation. Resources and energy to address this would be much more beneficial to the community than thinking about allowing biological males play on biological female teams, imo. Very few people would have a problem with nederlander's statements. Even most of us who support it understand it's a complex issue and it's different by sport and by level. Why are you bringing politics into this? Similarly, you agreed with the earlier post that it's a complex issue? It seems black and white for you? About 1% of the people are trans, lets say half of them are MTF, of those people, how many of them want to play sports and would actually be good at it? Out of curiosity, of all of the issues women are struggling in with sports--where would you rate this one? Correlation doesn't imply causation, but yes this statistic is true. Can we also treat trans people like normal people for starters? We can certainly improve resources for them, but there are a bunch of laws wanting to take those away. I also think allowing them to play sports, at least at a non-elite level would also help mental outcomes.
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Post by JT on Dec 15, 2023 13:27:39 GMT -5
I have never seen or heard of a sport such as “biological female soccer” or “biological women’s basketball.” For that matter, when MN had separate departments (MICA and WICA) there was never a “B” to start off the acronym. That’s what happens when people go to far left. Tacking the “(B)iological” on doesn’t seem at all “left” to me.
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Post by potato518 on Dec 15, 2023 15:53:11 GMT -5
I’ve seen other girls that I would be more intimidated by - she’s really good I don’t know what the concern is? All sports are dangerous and if she’s gonna be playing D1 chances are the blockers she’ll be hitting against are also D1 and don’t barely get their hands over the net. that original website link is foul
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Post by OHVBKING on Dec 15, 2023 17:08:32 GMT -5
Hopefully Trump is elected and then we will have Federal Laws prohibiting biological males from competing in womens sports. I don't even like Trump but he will get my vote because he will make this happen. End of story.
And for the Liberals, even a guy like Bill Maher gets it, he understands biological males have no business competing in womens sports.
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 15, 2023 17:21:32 GMT -5
And she agrees with your sentiments? The three people I know who are working very hard and all are against this are all former D1 or D2 female college athletes. One was worried to speak up until after she graduated last spring. The other 2 are much older. I am against it however not at all vocal.
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Post by fetchin on Dec 15, 2023 17:38:21 GMT -5
Hopefully Trump is elected and then we will have Federal Laws prohibiting biological males from competing in womens sports. I don't even like Trump but he will get my vote because he will make this happen. End of story. And for the Liberals, even a guy like Bill Maher gets it, he understands biological males have no business competing in womens sports. Keep seething 🤡 and pretending you care about this supposed bio female athlete that lost her scholarship to UW eventhough we don’t even know if this trans athlete is being offered one or is a walk on .
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Post by sec.scoob on Dec 15, 2023 17:44:34 GMT -5
Hopefully Trump is elected and then we will have Federal Laws prohibiting biological males from competing in womens sports. I don't even like Trump but he will get my vote because he will make this happen. End of story.And for the Liberals, even a guy like Bill Maher gets it, he understands biological males have no business competing in womens sports. This is absolutely terrifying. You're plan is to vote for someone on the CHANCE that they will make a federal law that will benefit a HANDFUL of people every year? While other bills he would pass will effect MILLIONS. That is so incredibly illogical. These are SPORTS. SPORTS. That we do for FUN. No one's life is in danger because they might have missed out on an athletic scholarship. I cannot hit my head on my desk any harder than when I read that statement.
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Post by donut on Dec 15, 2023 17:45:02 GMT -5
Hopefully Trump is elected and then we will have Federal Laws prohibiting biological males from competing in womens sports. I don't even like Trump but he will get my vote because he will make this happen. End of story. And for the Liberals, even a guy like Bill Maher gets it, he understands biological males have no business competing in womens sports. How is this thread still not in OTN during tournament season damn
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