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Post by touchline on Dec 17, 2023 19:26:59 GMT -5
Why has the UW Volleyball school website removed all articles about this athlete. Unable to search for this athlete's name on the athletics website.. Are they hiding this? Is the coach gonna get heat and blackballed if this situation actually gets to Ms Tate actually playing time on the court ? I think so... Because she's in high school you moron. Other signees are featured on the school website. They are also still in High school... Believe me I used some intelligence...
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 17, 2023 19:28:03 GMT -5
This thread needs to go to hell with whoever started it and all of you who are piling on the uneducated transphobia with it There is an exceedingly large number of accounts posting in this thread with fewer than 50 or 100 posts. Almost as if people are using burner sockpuppet accounts to post comments....
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 17, 2023 19:28:39 GMT -5
Because she's in high school you moron. Other signees are featured on the school website. They are also still in High school... Believe me I used some intelligence... Those players have signed NLIs. She hasn't because she's a junior.
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 17, 2023 19:33:23 GMT -5
Moron.
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Post by touchline on Dec 17, 2023 19:36:51 GMT -5
John Cook would never go for this type of situation. He is too high on morality and ethics as he tends to speak about in his press conferences and wanting good clean kids..
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Post by bownlovingfreak on Dec 17, 2023 19:38:32 GMT -5
Where were you on January 6th?
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Post by touchline on Dec 17, 2023 20:07:27 GMT -5
This situation won't work out and will be a PR nightmare for the school.
The wrong type of media will be at the matches and will be huge distraction...
Other girls on the team will suffer from the backlash..
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Post by liberosetter101 on Dec 17, 2023 20:14:50 GMT -5
John Cook would never go for this type of situation. He is too high on morality and ethics as he tends to speak about in his press conferences and wanting good clean kids.. “Morality and ethics” Yeah…when it’s convenient for him LOL
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 17, 2023 20:21:04 GMT -5
John Cook would never go for this type of situation. He is too high on morality and ethics as he tends to speak about in his press conferences and wanting good clean kids..
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 17, 2023 20:26:38 GMT -5
John Cook would never go for this type of situation. He is too high on morality and ethics as he tends to speak about in his press conferences and wanting good clean kids.. The reference to “good clean kids” is one of the worst thing I have ever read on here.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 17, 2023 20:32:11 GMT -5
John Cook would never go for this type of situation. He is too high on morality and ethics as he tends to speak about in his press conferences and wanting good clean kids.. good and clean are really strange words to use when stating why someone wouldn't want a trans player
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Post by touchline on Dec 17, 2023 20:46:11 GMT -5
John Cook would never go for this type of situation. He is too high on morality and ethics as he tends to speak about in his press conferences and wanting good clean kids.. good and clean are really strange words to use when stating why someone wouldn't want a trans player He has said in press conferences he likes recruiting good midwest kid.. I got a vibe he has conservative religious values..
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 17, 2023 21:05:45 GMT -5
If she had such a major advantage as an elite transgender athlete, why didn’t she dominate all the events? well thats because she was not considered an elite swimmer at all before transitioning, very average in for D1 for a male but now considered elite as a female I don't think that is true. She was pretty highly ranked as a freshman and sophomore male swimmer before she started undergoing HRT. She was ranked #2 in the Ivies in a number of distances in her sophomore year swimming as a male. You'd expect she would improve as a male later in her career. It was only after the HRT began that she started to fall in male rankings and become "mediocre." You'd expect an advantage would carry over to the female sport quite a bit - but her ranking as a female swimmer isn't really out of expectation for what could happen as a male swimmer if she hadn't transitioned. She won one national event at one distance as a female, and did not break any records. None. Is that elite? I guess it's a matter of opinion. Anyway, speaking more generally and not to you specifically, I've been avoiding this whole thread for a while because the whole debate is at once a tempest in a teapot, and an extremely serious issue. Relative to the first aspect, there are so few trans athletes. I've not seen anything to convince me that even this one cherry picked example proves an unfair advantage. Literally no one would undergo transition just to get such an advantage - it's hard and socially brutal, although studies clearly show it's not nearly as brutal as NOT getting one for the few people who do it. Upper level sporting bodies have been figuring out guidelines specific to the sport in question to decide what constitutes an unfair advantage or not, because they want to be humane. Those rules are not perfect, but they are a start and generally they are agreed on by everybody, including trans people. The only people who don't agree with those rules are those who don't want trans people to even exist for some reason, and that is where it gets serious. That is a social and moral question not really fit for a sports related board. I will say that what we might call trans people - those who act and feel counter to socially imposed expectations based on their biological sex (ie. gender) - have been around throughout history. You have to deliberately ignore that history and mistakenly think societies have all imposed the same gender roles for the same reasons not to appreciate that fact. I'd argue that a large reason we have medical transitions is that we have been so unforgiving (and frankly simple minded) in our expectations that biological sex should equal behavior and, therefore, the societal roles someone should play. If we understood that biological sex is not a simple dichotomy, that those within a biological sex category display a wide range of physical and biological traits that often overlap with the other sex categories, and if we weren't so damn hard headed about pinning our expectations to biological sex and trying to impose those expectations on others, literally everybody would be way happier with themselves as they are. I can't believe I have to say that on a board dedicated to women sports full of examples of extraordinarily exceptional athletes. I understand that the male-female divide is useful in organizing sports because it accounts on average for a lot of very real differences, and it applies to most people. But the biological determination of sex is actually quite complex so that divide does not account for nearly all of the differences, and it doesn't apply to everyone. There are people with XX chromosomes that present as male, for instance, in most cases because one X chromosome just happens to have a genetic transposon that carries the hormonal regulatory pathway that converts non differentiated gonads into male ones. Because sex determination involves hormones, environmental context also plays a role in humans. More generally, there are whole groups of organisms where biological sex is determined by temperature during development, where biological sex flips during life history, sometimes based purely on social on context cues, where the genetic mechanisms determining sex vary among related organisms and re-evolve repeatedly among lineages. Most people who talk about sexual differences as "natural" and "immutable" have a ridiculously simplistic understanding of biological sex. By contrast, gender is a social construct, much as race is, and so it's both way more complicated and way simpler. It is something we can control consciously. A major reason people seek hormonal or medical transitions is because we impose such uncompromising gender expectations based on physical sexual characteristics. Those that deny any deviation from such expectations essentially and paradoxically make transitions necessary if you want to be humane. They are the source of the very thing they would eliminate.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 17, 2023 21:49:42 GMT -5
good and clean are really strange words to use when stating why someone wouldn't want a trans player He has said in press conferences he likes recruiting good midwest kid.. I got a vibe he has conservative religious values.. Like a kid who has to turn herself in for an injury hit and run while driving on a suspended license?
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 18, 2023 1:34:07 GMT -5
Leading experts or vocal activists? What you are talking about are deformations. As for thevolleybaker's comment that biological sex is not the same as gender identity, that is true. Gender identity that denies one's biological sex, is a mental disorder. Not according to the DSM-5. But feel free to keep stating your opinions that aren’t supported by science. You are being disingenuous. This is from the American Psychiatric Association web site: With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience (and for which they may seek psychiatric, medical, and surgical treatments) rather than on transgender individuals or identities themselves.That change, of course, like other changes to the DSM that were related to sexual orientation, was the result of political pressure from trans activists and their political allies. I can assure you that as we slide further down that slippery slope, the APA will make similar changes to accommodate pedophiles. It should also be noted that other professional psychiatric associations around the world still recognize Gender Identity Disorder as a mental disorder.
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