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Post by hebrooks87 on Dec 18, 2023 14:05:18 GMT -5
well thats because she was not considered an elite swimmer at all before transitioning, very average in for D1 for a male but now considered elite as a female As a freshman, Lia had the 7th best time in the country in the men’s 1000 free. Definitely seems “very average” to me. And 5th in the nation as a sophomore, as well as top 50 (top 5-7% in DI) in two other events (500 and 1650).
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Post by karellen on Dec 18, 2023 14:53:20 GMT -5
Someone please lock this
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Post by medusa on Dec 18, 2023 14:58:21 GMT -5
Why are you bringing POLITICS into this ? I'm not the one who first mentioned J6. BTW, everything is political. If you don't understand that, you are very naive. I hope for the lord's sake, you get banned
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Post by alhorford90 on Dec 18, 2023 15:03:02 GMT -5
Go Girl. Will always support trans athletes
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 18, 2023 15:26:01 GMT -5
Yikes! A biological male taking a scholarship from a woman. I don't like it. Only the scholarship part, or? Taking a scholarship from a woman and playing on a women's team.
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 18, 2023 15:35:07 GMT -5
Only the scholarship part, or? Imagine chiming in on page 43 just to +1 bigotry Imagine chiming in here and defending psychosis.
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Post by donut on Dec 18, 2023 15:42:17 GMT -5
Imagine chiming in on page 43 just to +1 bigotry Imagine chiming in here and defending psychosis. Well I'm not defending you, so no risk of that!
Not quite sure what kind of person you have to be to proudly call yourself a Karen, because you certainly aren't using it ironically.
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Post by donut on Dec 18, 2023 15:42:33 GMT -5
Only the scholarship part, or? Taking a scholarship from a woman and playing on a women's team. She is a woman, you bigot.
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 18, 2023 15:55:59 GMT -5
Taking a scholarship from a woman and playing on a women's team. She is a woman, you bigot. He isn't a woman. Get back in touch with reality.
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Post by donut on Dec 18, 2023 16:07:22 GMT -5
She is a woman, you bigot. He isn't a woman. Get back in touch with reality. I'm in touch with reality.
You're in touch with hatred and brain-washed preacher talk. When you learn to logically think for yourself, let us know. Until then -- hope Tate has zero a$$holes like you in her family.
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 18, 2023 16:17:42 GMT -5
He isn't a woman. Get back in touch with reality. I'm in touch with reality.
You're in touch with hatred and brain-washed preacher talk. When you learn to logically think for yourself, let us know. Until then -- hope Tate has zero a$$holes like you in her family.
How is it logical to think that a man is a woman and should compete with woman is shows of force, speed and athleticism. And who are you brainwashed by? The legion of medical jargon and people who, in the name of "science and goodness", defy the very laws that should govern them? Or is it those who cry in the street and march in the name of a mental issue that people need help with instead of being told to embrace is wholeheartedly? I'm the one thinking for myself here and it's quite simple: men are men and women are women and with that comes different biological attributes. I'm sure you are an intelligent person but your mind is so open that your brain has simply fallen out.
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Post by donut on Dec 18, 2023 16:24:23 GMT -5
I'm in touch with reality.
You're in touch with hatred and brain-washed preacher talk. When you learn to logically think for yourself, let us know. Until then -- hope Tate has zero a$$holes like you in her family.
How is it logical to think that a man is a woman and should compete with woman is shows of force, speed and athleticism. And who are you brainwashed by? The legion of medical jargon and people who, in the name of "science and goodness", defy the very laws that should govern them? Or is it those who cry in the street and march in the name of a mental issue that people need help with instead of being told to embrace is wholeheartedly? I'm the one thinking for myself here and it's quite simple: men are men and women are women and with that comes different biological attributes. I'm sure you are an intelligent person but your mind is so open that your brain has simply fallen out. It's not a mental issue. F*ck off. I'm sorry, Karen, but your hateful heart knows nothing about reality.
I'll pray for you, but it may be too late. You're apparently committed to being a deplorable, ignorant human.
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 18, 2023 16:28:58 GMT -5
How is it logical to think that a man is a woman and should compete with woman is shows of force, speed and athleticism. And who are you brainwashed by? The legion of medical jargon and people who, in the name of "science and goodness", defy the very laws that should govern them? Or is it those who cry in the street and march in the name of a mental issue that people need help with instead of being told to embrace is wholeheartedly? I'm the one thinking for myself here and it's quite simple: men are men and women are women and with that comes different biological attributes. I'm sure you are an intelligent person but your mind is so open that your brain has simply fallen out. It's not a mental issue. F*ck off. I'm sorry, Karen, but your hateful heart knows nothing about reality.
I'll pray for you, but it may be too late. You're apparently committed to being a deplorable, ignorant human.
Thank you for your prayers.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 18, 2023 16:31:22 GMT -5
Can you separate "political pressure" from other rationales. Do you even understand or recognize that other rationales, like reducing suicidal ideation, could exist? If those exist, and plenty of published research suggests they do, why do you not value them? Are you suggesting that the "transition" from Gender Identity Disorder to Gender Dysphoria reduced the incidence of suicide? I'm saying that people with documented gender dysphoria are very prone to suicidal ideation before transition - up to 75%. Around 20-30% have engaged in 1 or more suicide attempts, which is a very high rate relative to the population as a whole. After they get transgender affirming care, suicidal ideation drops to ~40% and those attempting suicide drop into the single digit percentages. That's still high, but society is still pretty brutal to transitioning people. The regret rates are almost negligible at 1%. That's over an order of magnitude lower than for most plastic surgery where regret rates are 30% or more. That might be because there is a strong filter placed on who goes through transition, one that we don't apply to plastic surgery. So I'm saying it has nothing to with some ideology or whatever you want to call it. It relates to keeping people alive and happy, which I think is a value shared by the vast majority of people in a society that prizes the individuals right to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 18, 2023 16:32:26 GMT -5
I’m not dodging I guess just don’t find it relevant. No one is talking about getting rid of men’s and women’s sports. They’re talking about including trans men and women in sports. I feel like you’re attempting to insinuate that including trans women is including men but that’s not the case. They’re women. They’re on HRT as well which changes a lot in the body. And even if they weren’t, ok, maybe they have a small advantage. So what? A 6’9 cis girl has an inherent biological competitive advantage but no one would ever flip about them getting a scholarship. It’s just part of sports. The entire reason to separate men’s and women’s sports is that the bell curve of strength/speed/size/etc is different between men and women. If you don’t think that matters, then separating the two sexes is discriminatory. I DO think that matters. So the division athletes compete in should be based on the same principle that is the whole reason for separating the sexes to begin with. Women’s and men’s sports were actually first separated for social reasons, as women weren’t allowed to compete. Within the context of U.S. college sports, Title IX is a measure to protect against social exclusion, not physical exclusion. Meaning it’s not to provide opportunities to people with certain reproductive tracts, but rather to protect against discrimination against all women. Someone like Tate, whose gender identity is perceived to be that of a girl, would face similar social barriers to sports as her cisgender counterparts.
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