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Post by raian13 on Dec 21, 2023 17:11:58 GMT -5
My point exactly, move this to off the net.
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Post by donut on Dec 21, 2023 17:12:29 GMT -5
Ugh, someone needs to tag the mod/s. Yep start with @donut post from a few replies above Lmao Just because you can’t rebut you have bigoted views, doesn’t mean others aptly pointing that out should be banned. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 17:13:10 GMT -5
Do mods still work here?
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Post by donut on Dec 21, 2023 17:13:52 GMT -5
If bigots don't want to be labelled bigots, maybe they should actually respond to points instead of relying on backwards and hateful prejudices, and misinformation. When y'all double down on your views, you deserve every name in the book. Stop being snowflakes because y'all can't make valid points.
Btw, completely shocked this is your stance based on your expert handling of sex, gender, and pronouns in the past lol. Where did that signature go?
Nothing about my stance is demeaning, harrassing or the like. The signature I used to have was regarding my desire to want terms to describe us collectively that are not demeaning. Judging by your latest reply to me you are ALL for it. The point of that signature was to throw shade back at whichever community was taking liberties with the thoughtless manner in which they were treating fellow forum posters. This is actual nonsense. |
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Post by donut on Dec 21, 2023 17:14:39 GMT -5
All those muscled men in the gym who take testosterone to grow their muscles must be trans. I mean they are using gender affirming care right? This wins for the stupidist post I've seen on here this month. That is solely a reflection on you and your inability to understand logical arguments. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 17:15:42 GMT -5
Nothing about my stance is demeaning, harrassing or the like. The signature I used to have was regarding my desire to want terms to describe us collectively that are not demeaning. Judging by your latest reply to me you are ALL for it. The point of that signature was to throw shade back at whichever community was taking liberties with the thoughtless manner in which they were treating fellow forum posters. This is actual nonsense. So is your response. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 17:20:14 GMT -5
What can you say about that trans swimmer who won titles in women’s division? We've been through this already. As a male underclassman was highly ranked at multiple distances. Improved freshman to sophomore year. Subsequently went through hormone therapy during transitions, and fell in massively rankings. Transitioned to female class and won 1 title, broke no records in doing so, and otherwise ranked similarly in events as she did competing as a man. If anything, it just seems like the competition was weak that year. That is the one cherry picked case to indicate an advantage, and there really isn't a compelling case for one. Are trans athletes only allowed to compete if they fail? That can't be a requirement. And the idea that they went through all that primarily to get a competitive advantage, losing a whole year of competition and given how much social flak is involved is just not credible. Real people don't think like that. Only compete if they fail? Really? The point is about the advantages that they many times will get if they have better performance due to higher levels of testosterone. There have been many documented cases of this and luckily families are willing to stand up to the bullying from the LBGTQIA+ community on forums such as these and challenge the policies that are creating an unfair competition environment for many XX chromosome female athletes during present times. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 21, 2023 17:30:53 GMT -5
There have been many documented cases of this There have? Define "many." |
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Post by MVBFAN on Dec 21, 2023 17:31:50 GMT -5
I've since watched her highlight videos.... it's not like she's murdering people. She has a good arm, but doesn't jump out of the gym, she has a good wrist and good placement. Some of y'all are acting like she hit a girl in the face so hard she killed them. It's not like she's touching 11' and swinging on a women's net after playing on a men's net for her whole life.
It's a girl playing volleyball, who gives a !!!!###$$$!!! if she's trans. Grow up. I really don't think she's a CHEAT CODE for a D1 WVB Program. Probably wouldn't even see much court time the first year or two.
Tate, I hope you find the right school to call home <3
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 21, 2023 17:40:02 GMT -5
We've been through this already. As a male underclassman was highly ranked at multiple distances. Improved freshman to sophomore year. Subsequently went through hormone therapy during transitions, and fell in massively rankings. Transitioned to female class and won 1 title, broke no records in doing so, and otherwise ranked similarly in events as she did competing as a man. If anything, it just seems like the competition was weak that year. That is the one cherry picked case to indicate an advantage, and there really isn't a compelling case for one. Are trans athletes only allowed to compete if they fail? That can't be a requirement. And the idea that they went through all that primarily to get a competitive advantage, losing a whole year of competition and given how much social flak is involved is just not credible. Real people don't think like that. Only compete if they fail? Really? The point is about the advantages that they many times will get if they have better performance due to higher levels of testosterone. There have been many documented cases of this and luckily families are willing to stand up to the bullying from the LBGTQIA+ community on forums such as these and challenge the policies that are creating an unfair competition environment for many XX chromosome female athletes during present times. Quote me the "many" documented cases. The NCAA policy deliberately aligns with the IOC policy in section 6 that assesses peer reviewed research on what confers an unfair advantage and implements policy accordingly. Why is that not enough to allay your concerns? Also, XX females with certain genetic additions to one X chromosome can present as male, with male genitals that produce testosterone, as I have written. Karyotyping sex or gender really doesn't work reliably, which is why most organizations have abandoned that approach. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 17:40:17 GMT -5
who gives a !!!!###$$$!!! if she's trans. I mean, this is kind of the whole point. |
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Post by molokaiboi on Dec 21, 2023 17:40:41 GMT -5
Really what it equates to is that non XX chromosome females believe that they are equal to and should have the same treatment when it comes to athletic sports as xx chromosome biologically born females. Never mind that, more and more across some womens sports, transgender athletes are starting to dominate when it comes to winning the achievement aspect of said sports. The lgbtqia+ community brazenly have dismissed the circumstances of the affected athletes impacted by trans athletes and have in almost every case personally attacked those holding different views then they have in forums like these. All three of your sentences have attempted to simplify YOUR view of the issue by using false generalizations from the other perspective. Yes they are people who are stronger than others but it matters when it comes to biological sexes. Are you trying to say that trans-women are equal to biological women because they take hormones?? I’m trying to understand your logic here. |
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Post by MVBFAN on Dec 21, 2023 17:46:13 GMT -5
who gives a !!!!###$$$!!! if she's trans. I mean, this is kind of the whole point. She's not dominating to the level that everyone is making a big stink about. She's a good California volleyball player, but it's not like she's the best female player in the country. It's a silly argument from the playing side. |
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Post by VB48 on Dec 21, 2023 17:49:15 GMT -5
Again, sex is not as simple as XX or XY and there have been many cases that highlight that. For those who believe there are only two biological sexes and/or genders, where would an intersex athlete like Caster Semenya fit in? Difficult to find a way to make things "fair" in cases like hers. She went through puberty and is XY, giving her an advantage over XX competitors that cannot be overcome by nutrition and/or training. I believe that the policy in place forces her to lower her testosterone if she wants to compete in the women's category. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 17:52:43 GMT -5
I mean, this is kind of the whole point. She's not dominating to the level that everyone is making a big stink about. She's a good California volleyball player, but it's not like she's the best female player in the country. It's a silly argument from the playing side. I don't really think the argument is about domination or skill. It seems in this case it's about a biological male taking a scholarship from a biological female. (At least that was the initial reaction I read, which is now moot as she no longer has the scholarship offer to UW). |
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