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Post by 25or624 on Jun 21, 2024 11:11:02 GMT -5
Yes, Sarah Franklin coming in and being NPOY has an effect. Also, give me details on what makes Sheffield "slimey". I mean I was kinda be dramatic for dramatic purposes. I’m sure Franklin is bringing in people. I just think carlini is the main reason ya know. Not really to this day per say. Like “oh carlini went here so I wanna go here” but Wisconsin wouldn’t be getting the Franklin’s if it wasn’t for her "Also, give me details on what makes Sheffield "slimey"
This guy is just a know nothing, low IQ a--hole. He shoots his mouth off but he doesn't have the goods. Essentially, he is the epitome of a slimy punk.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jun 21, 2024 11:26:08 GMT -5
I mean I was kinda be dramatic for dramatic purposes. I’m sure Franklin is bringing in people. I just think carlini is the main reason ya know. Not really to this day per say. Like “oh carlini went here so I wanna go here” but Wisconsin wouldn’t be getting the Franklin’s if it wasn’t for her "Also, give me details on what makes Sheffield "slimey"
This guy is just a know nothing, low IQ a--hole. He shoots his mouth off but he doesn't have the goods. Essentially, he is the epitome of a slimy punk.
Sheff has had MULTIPLE recruiting violations. He will do whatever it takes, even if it’s against the rules to get players. That’s slimey. He does treat his players well and his players love him. Doesn’t change the fact he does shady things
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Post by volleyball90 on Jun 21, 2024 11:29:07 GMT -5
Yes, Sarah Franklin coming in and being NPOY has an effect. Also, give me details on what makes Sheffield "slimey". I mean I was kinda be dramatic for dramatic purposes. I’m sure Franklin is bringing in people. I just think carlini is the main reason ya know. Not really to this day per say. Like “oh carlini went here so I wanna go here” but Wisconsin wouldn’t be getting the Franklin’s if it wasn’t for her I would say Kelly and the program as a whole is more of factor than Carlini at this point. I think Carlini was crucial for why Hilley came, that's for sure. But current Recruits are probably more looking at Wisconsin just being a consistent powerhouse in the best conference. Yes butterfly effect in that Carini brought this program back from the dark ages, but Wisconsin is just so much more than Carlini now. We have sustained success for a decade, great facilities, an outstanding education (a factor that matters in non revenue sports), and a passionate fanbase. You have to give Kelly a ton of credit for the atmosphere around the Badger program that didn't exist before 2014.
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Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Jun 21, 2024 11:31:40 GMT -5
"Also, give me details on what makes Sheffield "slimey"
This guy is just a know nothing, low IQ a--hole. He shoots his mouth off but he doesn't have the goods. Essentially, he is the epitome of a slimy punk.
Sheff has had MULTIPLE recruiting violations. He will do whatever it takes, even if it’s against the rules to get players. That’s slimey. He does treat his players well and his players love him. Doesn’t change the fact he does shady things What are his recruiting violations? Know he had one "violation" where he went with asst coach to tourney or something, but quickly realized mistake and left. And then believe he self-reported. What are the others? Please state facts with sources. What is your proof he'll, "do whatever it takes, even if it’s against the rules to get players." Again, facts and sources...
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Post by slxpress on Jun 21, 2024 11:34:38 GMT -5
Badger volleyball is a long story with many characters. I always hate when it gets reduced to one or two people. It has always had among the largest attendance numbers in the NCAA since I've been a fan - nearly 30 years now. Steve Lowe started it, Cook pushed it to new heights after Lowe passed. Waite picked up the baton and carried it for a while. Whatever happened after that 2007 season, the fanbase was still there. There were still nearby volleyball hotbeds in Chicagoland and the Twin Cities to recruit from. Wisconsin has been a sleeping giant for decades. I think what Carlini did was bring back some excitement after those dark years so the program could regain it's more natural level, and build on it. Sheff and Co (I have to emphasize it's actually a lot of people who are contributing here) are what have consistently pushed it over the top along multiple fronts. I think a key part of that success was pounding on the door until they got real institutional buy-in, and getting past the inferiority complex that paralyzed the program for so long. You have to credit the institution with finally seeing the light just a little ahead of most others. The fanbase does not take this progress for granted. Those dark years are a present memory for many. There is still a lot of PTSD from other near misses and false starts. There is the long shadow of football. You can see it's shadow all over these discussions. But seeing the program maintained so well after the really trying pandemic years has me feeling pretty solidly optimistic, and it has raised my expectations, without dampening the things that originally got me into the sport in the first place. (Disclaimer - I don't have to deal with ticket pricing being remote!) Maybe. It’s still always about the person in charge. You can have every resource and the greatest fans in the world but if you don’t have the right person in charge you’re not going to get good results until they’re fired and you start over again. Hopefully with the right person this time. Sheffield for sure isn’t doing this himself, but he’s the one driving the bus. I think he’s a perfect fit for Wisconsin. He understands how to get the talent he needs to compete at the highest levels. He has a great sense of humor. He attracts quality people around him who want to work with him over the long term. He’s engaging and accessible to the fan base. I see it over and over again in college athletics. When programs are doing extremely well the fans think it’s a birthright and this is the way things are always going to be. When things aren’t meeting expectations - whether they’re fair expectations or not - there’s something inherently wrong with the whole institutional approach. Instead of either of these approaches my observation has been if you get the right person in charge it’s amazing the difference they can make. If you get the wrong person in charge it doesn’t matter how much competence they’re surrounded with, they’ll find a way to screw it up. That’s not just college athletics. That’s any organizational structure. The biggest thing for me is that not only does Wisconsin have the right person in charge, but it’s obvious to me he’s practically untouchable. He’s not leaving for another college gig, or a professional team, or even to run the national team. That’s the key. Find the right person…and then keep them. I’d feel very good about Wisconsin volleyball right now if I were a Badger fan. But for me it starts with Sheffield, regardless if he’s building on a foundation that already existed, he has an amazing support staff, and he has fantastic institutional support. Try having a great foundation, an amazing support staff, and fantastic institutional support with the wrong person in charge.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jun 21, 2024 11:35:23 GMT -5
Sheff has had MULTIPLE recruiting violations. He will do whatever it takes, even if it’s against the rules to get players. That’s slimey. He does treat his players well and his players love him. Doesn’t change the fact he does shady things What are his recruiting violations? Know he had one where he went with asst coach to tourney or something, but quickly realized mistake and left. What are the others? Please state facts with sources. What is your proof he'll, "do whatever it takes, even if it’s against the rules to get players." Again, facts and sources... By facts and sources you mean you want me to pull up the documents that state it was recruiting violation? Cause I obviously can’t do that. But I can attest to the multitude of club coaches I’ve talked too who have all stated that wasn’t sheff first recruiting violation. I mean pull up the thread. People were stating the same things.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jun 21, 2024 11:36:31 GMT -5
I mean I was kinda be dramatic for dramatic purposes. I’m sure Franklin is bringing in people. I just think carlini is the main reason ya know. Not really to this day per say. Like “oh carlini went here so I wanna go here” but Wisconsin wouldn’t be getting the Franklin’s if it wasn’t for her I would say Kelly and the program as a whole is more of factor than Carlini at this point. I think Carlini was crucial for why Hilley came, that's for sure. But current Recruits are probably more looking at Wisconsin just being a consistent powerhouse in the best conference. Yes butterfly effect in that Carini brought this program back from the dark ages, but Wisconsin is just so much more than Carlini now. We have sustained success for a decade, great facilities, an outstanding education (a factor that matters in non revenue sports), and a passionate fanbase. You have to give Kelly a ton of credit for the atmosphere around the Badger program that didn't exist before 2014. Kelly definitely overall imo is a coach that has done the most for his program. Won’t ever deny that. I don’t think he’s the best coach in the game, but overall what he brings to the table for Wisconsin and what he has brought is not replaceable.
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Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Jun 21, 2024 11:48:55 GMT -5
What are his recruiting violations? Know he had one where he went with asst coach to tourney or something, but quickly realized mistake and left. What are the others? Please state facts with sources. What is your proof he'll, "do whatever it takes, even if it’s against the rules to get players." Again, facts and sources... By facts and sources you mean you want me to pull up the documents that state it was recruiting violation? Cause I obviously can’t do that. But I can attest to the multitude of club coaches I’ve talked too who have all stated that wasn’t sheff first recruiting violation. I mean pull up the thread. People were stating the same things. How many club coaches have told you that? And for those who told you, you investigated and determined these were facts? I've been told things, investigated, and determined that what I was told was false. How many other coaches would you deem slimey then? And what are examples of him "doing whatever it takes even if it's against the rules" that you personally know of. Finally, give me your list of coaches who are saints in the recruiting process.
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Post by volleyball90 on Jun 21, 2024 11:54:12 GMT -5
I would say Kelly and the program as a whole is more of factor than Carlini at this point. I think Carlini was crucial for why Hilley came, that's for sure. But current Recruits are probably more looking at Wisconsin just being a consistent powerhouse in the best conference. Yes butterfly effect in that Carini brought this program back from the dark ages, but Wisconsin is just so much more than Carlini now. We have sustained success for a decade, great facilities, an outstanding education (a factor that matters in non revenue sports), and a passionate fanbase. You have to give Kelly a ton of credit for the atmosphere around the Badger program that didn't exist before 2014. Kelly definitely overall imo is a coach that has done the most for his program. Won’t ever deny that. I don’t think he’s the best coach in the game, but overall what he brings to the table for Wisconsin and what he has brought is not replaceable. Honestly, who is the best coach in the game at this point? If you go over the last 5 years, Wisconsin has outperformed Nebraska despite less resources and lower recruiting rankings. Maybe its Elliot as obviously Texas has the most recent success and Elliot has sustained success at Texas for a long time. DBK? Fischer? Hambly? Idk the answer, but I will agree that Kelly is the perfect coach for Wisconsin. I will say that one thing that impressed me a lot about Kelly is how adaptable he was after the Rettke/Hilley class left. Switching to a 6-2 to showcase our team's strengths was a very good move. Other unorthdox moves include using Demps as a backrow player during our Title winning year even though she was not good at passing or defense but he realized her offense out of the backrow was super valuable. Moving Orzol to Libero last year. Going with a 2 person serve receive for an entire season with Barnes, ME Dodge, and Clarke. Having Smrek play kinda a hybrid Middle/Right side role where she will swing out of middle and block out of right side. He has proven very underrated in his volleyball tactical acumen I feel.
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Post by badgerbreath on Jun 21, 2024 11:57:31 GMT -5
Badger volleyball is a long story with many characters. I always hate when it gets reduced to one or two people. It has always had among the largest attendance numbers in the NCAA since I've been a fan - nearly 30 years now. Steve Lowe started it, Cook pushed it to new heights after Lowe passed. Waite picked up the baton and carried it for a while. Whatever happened after that 2007 season, the fanbase was still there. There were still nearby volleyball hotbeds in Chicagoland and the Twin Cities to recruit from. Wisconsin has been a sleeping giant for decades. I think what Carlini did was bring back some excitement after those dark years so the program could regain it's more natural level, and build on it. Sheff and Co (I have to emphasize it's actually a lot of people who are contributing here) are what have consistently pushed it over the top along multiple fronts. I think a key part of that success was pounding on the door until they got real institutional buy-in, and getting past the inferiority complex that paralyzed the program for so long. You have to credit the institution with finally seeing the light just a little ahead of most others. The fanbase does not take this progress for granted. Those dark years are a present memory for many. There is still a lot of PTSD from other near misses and false starts. There is the long shadow of football. You can see it's shadow all over these discussions. But seeing the program maintained so well after the really trying pandemic years has me feeling pretty solidly optimistic, and it has raised my expectations, without dampening the things that originally got me into the sport in the first place. (Disclaimer - I don't have to deal with ticket pricing being remote!) Maybe. It’s still always about the person in charge. You can have every resource and the greatest fans in the world but if you don’t have the right person in charge you’re not going to get good results until they’re fired and you start over again. Hopefully with the right person this time. Sheffield for sure isn’t doing this himself, but he’s the one driving the bus. I think he’s a perfect fit for Wisconsin. He understands how to get the talent he needs to compete at the highest levels. He has a great sense of humor. He attracts quality people around him who want to work with him over the long term. He’s engaging and accessible to the fan base. I see it over and over again in college athletics. When programs are doing extremely well the fans think it’s a birthright and this is the way things are always going to be. When things aren’t meeting expectations - whether they’re fair expectations or not - there’s something inherently wrong with the whole institutional approach. Instead of either of these approaches my observation has been if you get the right person in charge it’s amazing the difference they can make. If you get the wrong person in charge it doesn’t matter how much competence they’re surrounded with, they’ll find a way to screw it up. That’s not just college athletics. That’s any organizational structure. The biggest thing for me is that not only does Wisconsin have the right person in charge, but it’s obvious to me he’s practically untouchable. He’s not leaving for another college gig, or a professional team, or even to run the national team. That’s the key. Find the right person…and then keep them. I’d feel very good about Wisconsin volleyball right now if I were a Badger fan. But for me it starts with Sheffield, regardless if he’s building on a foundation that already existed, he has an amazing support staff, and he has fantastic institutional support. Try having a great foundation, an amazing support staff, and fantastic institutional support with the wrong person in charge. Yeah, but would Sheffield even be here if Steve Lowe weren't here previously? Or if the UW fanbase were less engaged in general with volleyball, even when things aren't going great on the court? That's the point I'm making. I'm not downplaying his role, or his ability to attract good people. I'm talking about the foundation laid by the 20 years I knew the program before he came - that led him to call it a top 5 job nationally when he took it. It's true Sheffield fits UW well. He likes a blue collar ethic, he values player development beyond volleyball, he sees himself primarily as a teacher - which is why he is not that interested in coaching in the pros. He comes close to embodying the Wisconsin Idea.
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Post by talkbdgrvb65 on Jun 21, 2024 12:01:08 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Jun 21, 2024 12:23:35 GMT -5
I’ve found for enough money, enough control, and enough assurances of support it’s amazing who can be attracted to a job. Madison is a wonderful college town, Wisconsin is a great public university, the Big 10 is an elite - even THE elite - volleyball conference in the country. All of that still exists with or without Steve Lowe.
Which is not to take away from what the players and coaches prior to Sheffield accomplished. That’s important, too. I still say it’s somewhat of a binary result. You either have the right person or you don’t. That’s true if you’re Alabama football, Kentucky basketball, UConn women’s basketball…what have you.
Wisconsin has the right person. There are a lot of historically successful volleyball programs who aren’t sure about the answer to that question.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jun 21, 2024 12:54:27 GMT -5
I’ve found for enough money, enough control, and enough assurances of support it’s amazing who can be attracted to a job. Madison is a wonderful college town, Wisconsin is a great public university, the Big 10 is an elite - even THE elite - volleyball conference in the country. ….Wisconsin has the right person. And this is why Wisconsin has the right person. These are the assurances Sheff needed and got from Barry when he took the job. I love what he’s done with the place.
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Post by 25or624 on Jun 21, 2024 13:16:51 GMT -5
What are his recruiting violations? Know he had one where he went with asst coach to tourney or something, but quickly realized mistake and left. What are the others? Please state facts with sources. What is your proof he'll, "do whatever it takes, even if it’s against the rules to get players." Again, facts and sources... By facts and sources you mean you want me to pull up the documents that state it was recruiting violation? Cause I obviously can’t do that. But I can attest to the multitude of club coaches I’ve talked too who have all stated that wasn’t sheff first recruiting violation. I mean pull up the thread. People were stating the same things. "Many people have said" is popular in some circles these days, but you have nothing more than hearsay. If Sheff sued your nasty ass for defamation, you would have to put these declarants on the stand to offer testimony detailing their interactions with Sheffield. You're probably dead in the water right there.
In addition, I'll bet that Charlie Fuerbringer's parents have more and better contacts than you do when it comes to college recruiting. Do you think they're going to let their daughter play for Sheff if they believe he is slimy?
Get a grip and be gone.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jun 21, 2024 13:33:02 GMT -5
Couldn't be happier for Pete. There are very few people like him out there anymore. It’s a picture of loyalty and integrity, the way he continues to contribute to the program in any way he can. Badgers fans are so lucky to have him. He absolutely deserves this.
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