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Post by chibadgerfan on Nov 21, 2024 11:57:03 GMT -5
Those SE numbers are NOT something to be super proud of! There’s always room for improvement. Imagine of the Wisconsin 13 serving half of those converted into point for WI. Would have been a completely different game. First of all. Service errors really don't matter as much as you think. Second, 13 errors in a 5 set match is ok. We avg 2.4 errors per set. This match was 2.6. So a little high, but not horrible, it’s 4 errors above average What is much more important is sideout% for a server. Missing your first serve is way worse than missing your 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. The UCLA match and Louisville matches when we put up 17 errors in 4 sets is much worse. However a major difference is that we put up 8 aces compared to 1 and 4 vs Louisville and UCLA. The reason this match was close had nothing to do with our serving. It had everything to do with our offense not doing well and Minnesota finding ways to tool our usually stout blocking. We held their attack rate in check. It was our offense that wasn’t working the way it usually does. This is the same situation as was the Nebraska match. |
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 21, 2024 12:00:20 GMT -5
First of all. Service errors really don't matter as much as you think. Second, 13 errors in a 5 set match is ok. We avg 2.4 errors per set. This match was 2.6. So a little high, but not horrible, it’s 4 errors above average What is much more important is sideout% for a server. Missing your first serve is way worse than missing your 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. The UCLA match and Louisville matches when we put up 17 errors in 4 sets is much worse. However a major difference is that we put up 8 aces compared to 1 and 4 vs Louisville and UCLA. The reason this match was close had nothing to do with our serving. It had everything to do with our offense not doing well and Minnesota finding ways to tool our usually stout blocking. We held their attack rate in check. It was our offense that wasn’t working the way it usually does. This is the same situation as was the Nebraska match. We held them in check in sets 4 and 5. Sets 1-3 we did not hold back their offense at all. They were hitting above their season avg the first 3 sets. |
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Post by allisonbadger on Nov 21, 2024 12:04:09 GMT -5
We held their attack rate in check. It was our offense that wasn’t working the way it usually does. This is the same situation as was the Nebraska match. We held them in check in sets 4 and 5. Sets 1-3 we did not hold back their offense at all. They were hitting above their season avg the first 3 sets. What was going on with the blocking? It seemed like every ball was either tooled off Smrek's outer arm/hand or Booth was late to close at the pin (a little surprising since MN wasn't really bringing much of a middle attack). |
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 21, 2024 12:08:51 GMT -5
We held them in check in sets 4 and 5. Sets 1-3 we did not hold back their offense at all. They were hitting above their season avg the first 3 sets. What was going on with the blocking? It seemed like every ball was either tooled off Smrek's outer arm/hand or Booth was late to close at the pin (a little surprising since MN wasn't really bringing much of a middle attack). You just have to tip your cap sometimes. I know Hanson was often going hard line to go for tool. They also were swinging high in general. It's possible are blocking strategy in first 3 sets had issues as Smrek was giving up quite a bit of line. However, per usual, Booth is often late to close which doesn't help. If Smrek sets up further line, that would make it even more unlikely that Booth closes. |
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Post by swaggyp on Nov 21, 2024 12:13:23 GMT -5
What was going on with the blocking? It seemed like every ball was either tooled off Smrek's outer arm/hand or Booth was late to close at the pin (a little surprising since MN wasn't really bringing much of a middle attack). You just have to tip your cap sometimes. I know Hanson was often going hard line to go for tool. They also were swinging high in general. It's possible are blocking strategy in first 3 sets had issues as Smrek was giving up quite a bit of line. However, per usual, Booth is often late to close which doesn't help. If Smrek sets up further line, that would make it even more unlikely that Booth closes. These two things are both true and I cannot square the circle: 1) Cardi B looks late every time she tries to get laterally to the pin. 2) Cardi B is 2nd in the B1G in blocks per set. I can't make it make sense. (One obvious explanation is that just because she looks late _to me_, maybe I'm not seeing the game with sufficient acumen to really understand what's happening.) |
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 21, 2024 12:23:27 GMT -5
Rettke looked slow on the block her first 2-3 years as well, but also often led the conference in blocks. Rettke got much better reading situations as time went on. Booth sometimes gets that right, and sometimes doesn't.
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Post by robtearle on Nov 21, 2024 12:25:15 GMT -5
This is interesting to me, maybe circumstance, maybe serendipity.
But in the 5th set (when you usually have more subs on the sub count than you'll ever use) Sheffield was doing an almost point by point subbing of CC and Devyn, offense and defense, serve and serve-receive. Between the score at 10-8 and 13-13, CC and Devyn went in and out for one another six times, three each way. Then the rotation was such that Booth went into the front row.
At 18-17, the CC/Devyn combination rotated to front row with CC on the floor and Damrow serving; CC for defense. Minn gets the point, so 18-18. This would be the point when Dev comes back on for offense serve-receive. And live, I saw Dev start to go to the line to sub in, but was called back, and CC stayed on the floor. Were they running out of subs, and Sheffield didn't want to burn another? Don't know for sure.
But CC stays on the floor, gets two blocks in a row, and the Badgers win.
(If you can, watch Sheffield going crazy while Damrow makes the two big digs during the point at 18-18 to 19-18. He's usually so stoic. :-)
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 21, 2024 12:30:35 GMT -5
You just have to tip your cap sometimes. I know Hanson was often going hard line to go for tool. They also were swinging high in general. It's possible are blocking strategy in first 3 sets had issues as Smrek was giving up quite a bit of line. However, per usual, Booth is often late to close which doesn't help. If Smrek sets up further line, that would make it even more unlikely that Booth closes. These two things are both true and I cannot square the circle: 1) Cardi B looks late every time she tries to get laterally to the pin. 2) Cardi B is 2nd in the B1G in blocks per set. I can't make it make sense. (One obvious explanation is that just because she looks late _to me_, maybe I'm not seeing the game with sufficient acumen to really understand what's happening.) I do think Booth is very good at blocking middles and out of system. But when she misses, she looks so bad. Also, we often compare her to CC who is much better at closing out on blocks to the pins. |
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Post by swaggyp on Nov 21, 2024 12:34:01 GMT -5
And live, I saw Dev start to go to the line to sub in, but was called back, and CC stayed on the floor. Were they running out of subs, and Sheffield didn't want to burn another? Don't know for sure. I noticed this too. My theory at the time was it had to be sub-count related so that _if_ he got "stuck" without subs he had his preferred[*] lineup on the floor. I based that on the fact that Devyn basically single handedly closed out Set 4 so it would make sense to stick with the hot hand if you had the option. [*] : What is Sheff's preferred lineup in this circumstance? We don't know. If it were me, I'd want my most versatile 6. But it's certainly plausible you'd want your best 6 defenders or your most terminal collection or you might be thinking about service line percentages. |
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Post by robtearle on Nov 21, 2024 12:37:33 GMT -5
And live, I saw Dev start to go to the line to sub in, but was called back, and CC stayed on the floor. Were they running out of subs, and Sheffield didn't want to burn another? Don't know for sure. I noticed this too. My theory at the time was it had to be sub-count related so that _if_ he got "stuck" without subs he had his preferred[*] lineup on the floor. I based that on the fact that Devyn basically single handedly closed out Set 4 so it would make sense to stick with the hot hand if you had the option. [*] : What is Sheff's preferred lineup in this circumstance? We don't know. If it were me, I'd want my most versatile 6. But it's certainly plausible you'd want your best 6 defenders or your most terminal collection or you might be thinking about service line percentages. If I get time, I'll go through all of the 5th (again!) and count subs. That's actually easier to do live than on video; on video, you have to infer, because they aren't often showing the bench in between points. But you gotta say, the often criticized Dev/CC MB combination certainly 'worked' in that 5th set. Devyn had the first two kills (IIRC) and CC the final two. |
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Post by mad1 on Nov 21, 2024 12:40:14 GMT -5
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 21, 2024 12:55:27 GMT -5
And live, I saw Dev start to go to the line to sub in, but was called back, and CC stayed on the floor. Were they running out of subs, and Sheffield didn't want to burn another? Don't know for sure. I noticed this too. My theory at the time was it had to be sub-count related so that _if_ he got "stuck" without subs he had his preferred[*] lineup on the floor. I based that on the fact that Devyn basically single handedly closed out Set 4 so it would make sense to stick with the hot hand if you had the option. [*] : What is Sheff's preferred lineup in this circumstance? We don't know. If it were me, I'd want my most versatile 6. But it's certainly plausible you'd want your best 6 defenders or your most terminal collection or you might be thinking about service line percentages. Sometimes you have to keep 2 subs in the pocket because you want a certain server but don't want them to get stuck in front row. So that plays a role as well. Middles in general are less of a concern because you can libero them. For this team, its really just making sure we have a sub to get Anna back in. |
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Post by swaggyp on Nov 21, 2024 12:57:57 GMT -5
That point to make it 19-18 in the 5th was incredible. Saige made at least two unbelievable saves, Oz bails us out in a crazy save off of one of those, Oz later gets *stuffed* and CC somehow saves the day covering her before Sarah passes an overhead behind the back freeball to Minnesota which they attempt to setter dump, leading to the CC tongue block.
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Post by badgerguru on Nov 21, 2024 13:14:53 GMT -5
Julia, Saige, & Coach post-Minnesota win
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Post by maigrey on Nov 21, 2024 13:20:26 GMT -5
You just have to tip your cap sometimes. I know Hanson was often going hard line to go for tool. They also were swinging high in general. It's possible are blocking strategy in first 3 sets had issues as Smrek was giving up quite a bit of line. However, per usual, Booth is often late to close which doesn't help. If Smrek sets up further line, that would make it even more unlikely that Booth closes. These two things are both true and I cannot square the circle: 1) Cardi B looks late every time she tries to get laterally to the pin. 2) Cardi B is 2nd in the B1G in blocks per set. I can't make it make sense. (One obvious explanation is that just because she looks late _to me_, maybe I'm not seeing the game with sufficient acumen to really understand what's happening.) Just think if Dev or CC got to go 3 rotations; they'd be 1st ir 2nd in blocks, IMO. |
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