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Post by robtearle on Nov 21, 2024 11:36:14 GMT -5
Looking at a couple other things in the video from last night, but I just saw this:
9-8 in the 5th set, UW calls timeout. High pressure situation. Charlie talking to Sheffield on the sideline, and some music comes on. And Charlie does a little hip-wiggle dance as they're talking.
LOL!
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Post by dbro1970 on Nov 21, 2024 11:37:06 GMT -5
We were literally missing 2 of our best servers in Lola and GG Regardless at this level having multiple players serve into the net is ridiculous… And then the same player does it again…. It’s a problem and gives away easy points. Minnesota seemed much more relaxed on the service line. Like, they were the underdog playing in the fieldhouse, they had nothing to loose going for it. |
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Post by honeybadger88 on Nov 21, 2024 11:40:00 GMT -5
Looking at a couple other things in the video from last night, but I just saw this: 9-8 in the 5th set, UW calls timeout. High pressure situation. Charlie talking to Sheffield on the sideline, and some music comes on. And Charlie does a little hip-wiggle dance as they're talking. LOL! Vibes FTW |
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 21, 2024 11:40:39 GMT -5
Regardless at this level having multiple players serve into the net is ridiculous… And then the same player does it again…. It’s a problem and gives away easy points. Minnesota seemed much more relaxed on the service line. Like, they were the underdog playing in the fieldhouse, they had nothing to loose going for it. We realize both teams had very similar serving numbers, right? Wisconsin 8 aces and 13 errors Minnesota 7 aces and 12 errors And I would bet Wisconsin's passing numbers were much better than Minnesota. |
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Post by Pepperjack on Nov 21, 2024 11:42:12 GMT -5
Minnesota seemed much more relaxed on the service line. Like, they were the underdog playing in the fieldhouse, they had nothing to loose going for it. We realize both teams had very similar serving numbers, right? Wisconsin 8 aces and 13 errors Minnesota 7 aces and 12 errors And I would bet Wisconsin's passing numbers were much better than Minnesota. Those SE numbers are NOT something to be super proud of! There’s always room for improvement. Imagine if half of Wisconsin’s SE converted into points for WI. Would have been a completely different game. |
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Post by batnasterson on Nov 21, 2024 11:44:17 GMT -5
Those SE numbers are NOT something to be super proud of! There’s always room for improvement. Imagine if half of Wisconsin’s SE converted into points for WI. Would have been a completely different game. That is not the likely outcome of serving, not many teams scoring half the time that they serve. |
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Post by maigrey on Nov 21, 2024 11:45:47 GMT -5
We realize both teams had very similar serving numbers, right? Wisconsin 8 aces and 13 errors Minnesota 7 aces and 12 errors And I would bet Wisconsin's passing numbers were much better than Minnesota. Those SE numbers are NOT something to be super proud of! There’s always room for improvement. Imagine if half of Wisconsin’s SE converted into points for WI. Would have been a completely different game. Oh you and Kevin Hambly are definitely not friends. |
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Post by Pepperjack on Nov 21, 2024 11:47:54 GMT -5
Those SE numbers are NOT something to be super proud of! There’s always room for improvement. Imagine if half of Wisconsin’s SE converted into points for WI. Would have been a completely different game. That is not the likely outcome of serving, not many teams scoring half the time that they serve. I'm not suggesting that those 13 SE would have been aces. What I'm saying is that if Wisconsin served the ball in bounds—putting it on Minnesota's side of the court—a rally could have started. There's no reason to believe that Wisconsin couldn't have won a number of those points. |
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Post by Pepperjack on Nov 21, 2024 11:50:27 GMT -5
Those SE numbers are NOT something to be super proud of! There’s always room for improvement. Imagine if half of Wisconsin’s SE converted into points for WI. Would have been a completely different game. Oh you and Kevin Hambly are definitely not friends. I don’t get it? |
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 21, 2024 11:51:25 GMT -5
We realize both teams had very similar serving numbers, right? Wisconsin 8 aces and 13 errors Minnesota 7 aces and 12 errors And I would bet Wisconsin's passing numbers were much better than Minnesota. Those SE numbers are NOT something to be super proud of! There’s always room for improvement. Imagine of the Wisconsin 13 serving half of those converted into point for WI. Would have been a completely different game. First of all. Service errors really don't matter as much as you think. Second, 13 errors in a 5 set match is ok. We avg 2.4 errors per set. This match was 2.6. So a little high, but not horrible, its 4 errors above average What is much more important is sideout% for a server. Missing your first serve is way worse than missing your 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. The UCLA match and Louisville matches when we put up 17 errors in 4 sets is much worse. However a major difference is that we put up 8 aces compared to 1 and 4 vs Louisville and UCLA. The reason this match was close had nothing to do with our serving. It had everything to do with our offense not doing well and Minnesota finding ways to tool our usually stout blocking. |
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Post by maigrey on Nov 21, 2024 11:51:52 GMT -5
Oh you and Kevin Hambly are definitely not friends. I don’t get it? Hambly has always said the number of SEs have no correlation with winning or losing the match. SEs mean you are serving tough (in general), and that pays off in other ways. |
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 21, 2024 11:52:05 GMT -5
Oh you and Kevin Hambly are definitely not friends. I don’t get it? Coach Hambly literally does not care about errors at all. He is famous for just ignoring error rate entirely. |
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 21, 2024 11:53:50 GMT -5
Hambly has always said the number of SEs have no correlation with winning or losing the match. SEs mean you are serving tough (in general), and that pays off in other ways. I will say that I get Hambly's point, but I do disagree. In the men's game, this is 100% true. In the women's game, there is more balance between aggressiveness and reducing errors. I did not really have much issue with Wisconsin's serve error rate last night though. But vs Louisville this year, that was on the problematic side. |
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Post by maigrey on Nov 21, 2024 11:55:37 GMT -5
Those SE numbers are NOT something to be super proud of! There’s always room for improvement. Imagine if half of Wisconsin’s SE converted into points for WI. Would have been a completely different game. That is not the likely outcome of serving, not many teams scoring half the time that they serve. I just looked it up - MN was siding out 60% of the time, so for every 5 serves we got in, we would win 2 points. As you said, I don't think an extra 4 points (+2 to WI, -2 to MN) changes the game immensely. |
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 21, 2024 11:56:43 GMT -5
We realize both teams had very similar serving numbers, right? Wisconsin 8 aces and 13 errors Minnesota 7 aces and 12 errors And I would bet Wisconsin's passing numbers were much better than Minnesota. Those SE numbers are NOT something to be super proud of! There’s always room for improvement. Imagine if half of Wisconsin’s SE converted into points for WI. Would have been a completely different game. The numbers posted by robtearle are actually what matters in terms of serving. If you are winning more than 50% of your points as a server, you are elite. Minnesota match #2 Points scored during the serve of server: Orzol: 7 points scored, 10 times serve lost Franklin: 12 points scored, 12 times serve lost Charlie: 5 points scored, 10 times serve lost CC: 3 points scored, 9 times serve lost Carly: 7 points scored, 9 times serve lost Saige: 8 points scored, 10 times serve lost Through the first three sets, Franklin had scored on only 2 serves, losing 8 serves. For the 4th and 5th sets, Sheffield "spun the dial", changing the rotation starting point and the matchups. In the 4th and 5th sets, Frank scored on 10 serves and only lost 4 serves. Whatever that change in rotation did, it sure worked when it came to Frank's serving. ----------- Sideout percents by server for the year all matches (lower number the better) Charlie: 0.512 Orzol: 0.527 GG: 0.508 Franklin: 0.540 Schumacher: 0.522 CC: 0.588 Devyn: 0.648 Smrek: 0.714 Chan: 0.682 Carly: 0.500 Van Wie: 0.500 Damrow: 0.569 Booth: 0.500 ----------- Sideout percents by server for B1G matches (lower number the better) Charlie: 0.472 Orzol: 0.507 GG: 0.547 Franklin: 0.538 Schumacher: 0.477 CC: 0.573 Devyn: 0.636 Smrek: none Chan: 0.800 Carly: 0.493 Van Wie: none Damrow: 0.571 Booth: 0.500 |
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