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Post by tarheellife on Aug 19, 2024 20:51:54 GMT -5
The coaches ignored all the weaknesses over the spring. And yes, that’s insane. But what’s worse is that they knew about those weaknesses even before spring. They knew about them after Maddy’s freshman year, when Mike took over. But he chose not to bring anyone and allow Maddy to play unchallenged as libero for another year. Funny enough, she played for Triangle when he was there. You draw your own conclusions, but not getting anyone to help with passing is highest level incompetence or simple favoritism at the expense of the program. Not sure what’s worse. I’m gonna reserve my judgment for when the season starts but what I saw at the exhibition was awful. Passing horrendous, setting similar. I think it’s unfair to expect hitters to adapt to that. It was bad. Safi and Sadie didn’t play. What’s insane is that anyone else expected more after Bubba chose to not pay coaches much so no one with volleyball pedigree would come to coach here and then we lost 3 starters to transfer. Don’t blame Mike, he just doesn’t know what he is doing, blame Bubba for being cheap and letting him run the program. Hope that something drastic changes or it will be a super long season. What’s worse, not just one season but likely more. You ain’t fixing passing by practicing more with this group. Need someone new and solid. 1. Pretty sure May switched over from ECJVC a season or two after Schall left. 2. Please log off and/or call your therapist, because your perseveration is unhealthy. I agree. It’s unhealthy to call it like I see it. Get a blanket or something to help you handle the truth. Having said that if I was wrong on May’s time at Triangle I appreciate your correction. Still doesn’t help the optics of it that she will be now playing unchallenged for 3 years, one of which was Wurl injury year. And we all saw for 2 years May ain’t that good. But, yeah, I’m the problem for pointing it out |
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Post by tarheellife on Aug 19, 2024 20:56:01 GMT -5
Also don’t sleep on App State! Coaching staff is experienced and enthusiastic, and their incoming class is pretty talented! That’s my exact point. We didn’t get a good coaching staff or enthusiastic. Our coaches literally never worked in positions that they are now in. And it doesn’t look like they are learning fast. App State got a good talent because their coaches know how to pick it and those kids trust them. The Athletic department messed up and we need to demand it be corrected. Why just accept it?! |
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Post by volley4ever on Aug 19, 2024 21:06:59 GMT -5
I think Mike is one of the best trainers in the country. I think his hands are full at the current moment with how young and inexperienced his staff is. I know UNC was a finalist for the top libero transfer, but she ultimately chose somewhere else.
With all of that said, UNC should be the top program in the state and should be consistently in the Top 25. They sit in a prime area of high level clubs (Triangle, CUVC, Metro, A5, Stars, etc.) Bubba should invest in the program.
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Post by volleyheels10 on Aug 20, 2024 7:30:57 GMT -5
I think Mike is one of the best trainers in the country. I think his hands are full at the current moment with how young and inexperienced his staff is. I know UNC was a finalist for the top libero transfer, but she ultimately chose somewhere else. With all of that said, UNC should be the top program in the state and should be consistently in the Top 25. They sit in a prime area of high level clubs (Triangle, CUVC, Metro, A5, Stars, etc.) Bubba should invest in the program. I agree Bubba should invest in the program. One of the biggest issues is not with the staff its at the top. Bubba has not consistently treated the volleyball program with the growth we are seeing across the country in this sport. I do however must say, the staff knew there was a need for a Libero/DS to help and put their eggs in one basket....then that fell through to a Big Ten School. I think that year 2 is a year that is pivotal for a new staff and we are going to see how this season plays out. |
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Post by tarheellife on Aug 20, 2024 12:15:51 GMT -5
I think Mike is one of the best trainers in the country. I think his hands are full at the current moment with how young and inexperienced his staff is. I know UNC was a finalist for the top libero transfer, but she ultimately chose somewhere else. With all of that said, UNC should be the top program in the state and should be consistently in the Top 25. They sit in a prime area of high level clubs (Triangle, CUVC, Metro, A5, Stars, etc.) Bubba should invest in the program. Mike himself picked his staff. Why he picked inexperienced staff when he himself was never a head coach is beyond me. You’d think he would have picked someone with some experience and knowledge running a program or being close to running it to help him out. Totally his doing though, so I can’t give him any leeway for that. I also disagree that he is one of the best trainers in the country. If that was the case he would be more hands on in fixing issues. He lets his assistants that never coached do that though. Leas from a far. 🤷♂️ I think the top talent is not coming knowing where the program is. No good player wants to play at a mediocre level. Unfortunately it will take gutting the program to fix that and a major investment in proper staff, which I’m not sure Bubba will do during his time here. He does not treat volleyball properly considering the growth of the game nationally. |
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Post by volleyheels10 on Aug 20, 2024 12:25:47 GMT -5
I think Mike is one of the best trainers in the country. I think his hands are full at the current moment with how young and inexperienced his staff is. I know UNC was a finalist for the top libero transfer, but she ultimately chose somewhere else. With all of that said, UNC should be the top program in the state and should be consistently in the Top 25. They sit in a prime area of high level clubs (Triangle, CUVC, Metro, A5, Stars, etc.) Bubba should invest in the program. Mike himself picked his staff. Why he picked inexperienced staff when he himself was never a head coach is beyond me. You’d think he would have picked someone with some experience and knowledge running a program or being close to running it to help him out. Totally his doing though, so I can’t give him any leeway for that. I also disagree that he is one of the best trainers in the country. If that was the case he would be more hands on in fixing issues. He lets his assistants that never coached do that though. Leas from a far. 🤷♂️ I think the top talent is not coming knowing where the program is. No good player wants to play at a mediocre level. Unfortunately it will take gutting the program to fix that and a major investment in proper staff, which I’m not sure Bubba will do during his time here. He does not treat volleyball properly considering the growth of the game nationally. Just going to put this out there. He did a good job hiring Parker Mikesch. That young man has poured his soul into trying to fix this team, the issues, and better the program and is going to be a quick rising AC. He cannot do it by just him and Mike. I will let you read into that how far you want to but there are other people(plural) on staff, that need to do a better job....two specific ACC coaches that know and followed Mike said over the summer that they think Mike is the man in a year or two you will look at the program and see a drastic change (I was told that directly by a media personnel). And TBH our DS players have a cieling that I think has already been hit. TBH again, they should not have put all their hopes in Maple.... For this year, we have what we have. The setting will be fine. I think Zoe and Taylor both are capable. But the passing I think is going to be jekyll hyde unless a miracle occurs. I think we are in for a season where we shock in a good way some games because our passing decides to be good then we shock in a bad way to a worse team because we have a bad passing day. I truly want to see how we look with Safi. I just think she is a best all around 6 rot outside. Wouldnt be surprised if Curtis also gets time bc of her back row experience. |
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Post by tarheellife on Aug 20, 2024 13:28:49 GMT -5
Mike himself picked his staff. Why he picked inexperienced staff when he himself was never a head coach is beyond me. You’d think he would have picked someone with some experience and knowledge running a program or being close to running it to help him out. Totally his doing though, so I can’t give him any leeway for that. I also disagree that he is one of the best trainers in the country. If that was the case he would be more hands on in fixing issues. He lets his assistants that never coached do that though. Leas from a far. 🤷♂️ I think the top talent is not coming knowing where the program is. No good player wants to play at a mediocre level. Unfortunately it will take gutting the program to fix that and a major investment in proper staff, which I’m not sure Bubba will do during his time here. He does not treat volleyball properly considering the growth of the game nationally. Just going to put this out there. He did a good job hiring Parker Mikesch. That young man has poured his soul into trying to fix this team, the issues, and better the program and is going to be a quick rising AC. He cannot do it by just him and Mike. I will let you read into that how far you want to but there are other people(plural) on staff, that need to do a better job....two specific ACC coaches that know and followed Mike said over the summer that they think Mike is the man in a year or two you will look at the program and see a drastic change (I was told that directly by a media personnel). And TBH our DS players have a cieling that I think has already been hit. TBH again, they should not have put all their hopes in Maple.... For this year, we have what we have. The setting will be fine. I think Zoe and Taylor both are capable. But the passing I think is going to be jekyll hyde unless a miracle occurs. I think we are in for a season where we shock in a good way some games because our passing decides to be good then we shock in a bad way to a worse team because we have a bad passing day. I truly want to see how we look with Safi. I just think she is a best all around 6 rot outside. Wouldnt be surprised if Curtis also gets time bc of her back row experience. If I was to read into it I think you are referring to Rachel and Jack. I actually don’t know much about Jack, but Rachel has done nothing of substance for the program. She being a setters coach is a bit weird but ok, let’s see what happens in her second year. My opinion on Parker is still out. I see he tried but I’m not sure yet whether he has the knowledge. Let’s see his second year as well. My point is that if Mike has Parker and Parker can’t do it all himself, then Mike should step in and help him but I don’t see that at all. Let’s see the second year. |
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Post by vbshrink on Aug 21, 2024 8:34:38 GMT -5
The same App State team that was 4-12 in conference last year?
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Post by volleyheels10 on Aug 21, 2024 9:48:52 GMT -5
The same App State team that was 4-12 in conference last year? Yes. |
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Post by volleyheels10 on Aug 21, 2024 12:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by vballbrian on Aug 22, 2024 8:30:15 GMT -5
I'm curious about UNC volleyball and the current state of the program. Mike seems to be getting heat, justified or not. However, Joe's last ACC championship was 2016. Mike wasn't the recruiting coordinator under Joe, at least not recently. Certainly as the head coach he has to oversee his roster and staff. Did he inherit a roster that he wanted? Was he close on bringing in their targets, missed out, but it was too late to get top level talent? How hard is it to recruit to a midlevel ACC volleyball school while trying to rebuild/strengthen weaknesses? If given the chance, how long would it take to challenge the top of the ACC?
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Post by stats1st on Aug 22, 2024 8:54:11 GMT -5
I'm curious about UNC volleyball and the current state of the program. Mike seems to be getting heat, justified or not. However, Joe's last ACC championship was 2016. Mike wasn't the recruiting coordinator under Joe, at least not recently. Certainly as the head coach he has to oversee his roster and staff. Did he inherit a roster that he wanted? Was he close on bringing in their targets, missed out, but it was too late to get top level talent? How hard is it to recruit to a midlevel ACC volleyball school while trying to rebuild/strengthen weaknesses? If given the chance, how long would it take to challenge the top of the ACC? I will fully admit I'm only focusing on one part of your post here, but you do realize that the "Top of the ACC" is literally Final Four level good right? I truly don't think you realize what that actually means as it pertains to just the ACC. There are ACC margins of error between the likes of Virginia Tech and Clemson and then there are National Level margins of error between the likes of Pittsburgh and Texas. Rebuilds, when done right take 4-6 years to complete. In the days of NIL and the Transfer Portal, those things can be accelerated, but not every kid wants to go to a mid-range ACC schools "just because" of history. Look at Pittsburgh run, Fisher was there for 4 years before returning to the NCAA Tournament. Since then its been golden, but it takes time and consistency; something UNC just hasn't had enough of yet. |
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Post by vballbrian on Aug 22, 2024 9:27:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, certainly understand the top is very good. Just saying it is hard for fans to see teams finish middle of the pack. I'm not a particular fan, just want NC schools to be successful. I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear conversations with their coaches about the program and how to grow it. The NIL and transfer portal is very interesting to me and how programs build and modify rosters. Anyway, hope Mike finds some success and is able to build the program up.
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Post by usavolleyball on Aug 22, 2024 10:01:55 GMT -5
I'm curious about UNC volleyball and the current state of the program. Mike seems to be getting heat, justified or not. However, Joe's last ACC championship was 2016. Mike wasn't the recruiting coordinator under Joe, at least not recently. Certainly as the head coach he has to oversee his roster and staff. Did he inherit a roster that he wanted? Was he close on bringing in their targets, missed out, but it was too late to get top level talent? How hard is it to recruit to a midlevel ACC volleyball school while trying to rebuild/strengthen weaknesses? If given the chance, how long would it take to challenge the top of the ACC? There is a ceiling for the volleyball program under the current athletic director. Top of the conference is NOT it. Just my opinion. |
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Post by bkedane on Aug 22, 2024 10:55:33 GMT -5
Do you think they ignored team weaknesses during Spring practices? That really would be insane. The coaches ignored all the weaknesses over the spring. And yes, that’s insane. But what’s worse is that they knew about those weaknesses even before spring. They knew about them after Maddy’s freshman year, when Mike took over. But he chose not to bring anyone and allow Maddy to play unchallenged as libero for another year. Funny enough, she played for Triangle when he was there. You draw your own conclusions, but not getting anyone to help with passing is highest level incompetence or simple favoritism at the expense of the program. Not sure what’s worse. I’m gonna reserve my judgment for when the season starts but what I saw at the exhibition was awful. Passing horrendous, setting similar. I think it’s unfair to expect hitters to adapt to that. It was bad. Safi and Sadie didn’t play. What’s insane is that anyone else expected more after Bubba chose to not pay coaches much so no one with volleyball pedigree would come to coach here and then we lost 3 starters to transfer. Don’t blame Mike, he just doesn’t know what he is doing, blame Bubba for being cheap and letting him run the program. Hope that something drastic changes or it will be a super long season. What’s worse, not just one season but likely more. You ain’t fixing passing by practicing more with this group. Need someone new and solid. You lost me at "no one with volleyball pedigree would come to coach here." If there is a problem with Schall, it certainly isn't a lack of volleyball pedigree. Additionally, other coaches with strong backgrounds were willing to take the job when it opened, even at UNC volleyball salary and support levels. |
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