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Post by coachdavid on Jan 11, 2024 11:32:52 GMT -5
Yes, everyone wants more options. That has nothing to do with whether they are warranted. This has everything to do with it. More player options=more ability for teams to strategize and ultimately compete to win a match. Restrictions on roster size to 12 always mean team performance is compromised to some extent. FIVB knows what the teams want. They need to do a better job of making a case to IOC to increase the roster for the teams. How is not having 13 a restriction when #s 10 11 and 12 on the depth chart barely see the court due to the subbing restrictions?
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Post by rogero1 on Jan 11, 2024 11:47:42 GMT -5
This has everything to do with it. More player options=more ability for teams to strategize and ultimately compete to win a match. Restrictions on roster size to 12 always mean team performance is compromised to some extent. FIVB knows what the teams want. They need to do a better job of making a case to IOC to increase the roster for the teams. How is not having 13 a restriction when #s 10 11 and 12 on the depth chart barely see the court due to the subbing restrictions? Actually it’s 8-12 that barely see the court for most teams. All 12 must play in order to personally get a medal.
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Post by coachdavid on Jan 11, 2024 12:04:36 GMT -5
How is not having 13 a restriction when #s 10 11 and 12 on the depth chart barely see the court due to the subbing restrictions? Actually it’s 8-12 that barely see the court for most teams. All 12 must play in order to personally get a medal. Sure I was being generous with 10 11 12. Do you know if they have to play in the finals to get a medal or just in the tournament?
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 11, 2024 12:11:40 GMT -5
Actually it’s 8-12 that barely see the court for most teams. All 12 must play in order to personally get a medal. Sure I was being generous with 10 11 12. Do you know if they have to play in the finals to get a medal or just in the tournament? Play in the final isn't required. In relay events, like swimming & track, athletes who compete in the pre-lims receive medals even if they don't compete in the final.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 11, 2024 18:55:02 GMT -5
Bottom line, the roster needs to expand. Rather than be IOC's spokeperson for why that cannot happen, why not come up with a way to make that happen?
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 11, 2024 19:32:59 GMT -5
This has everything to do with it. More player options=more ability for teams to strategize and ultimately compete to win a match. Restrictions on roster size to 12 always mean team performance is compromised to some extent. FIVB knows what the teams want. They need to do a better job of making a case to IOC to increase the roster for the teams. How is not having 13 a restriction when #s 10 11 and 12 on the depth chart barely see the court due to the subbing restrictions? Its not about the individual players, its about the team. So what if so-and-so player barely gets any court time? The point is giving more options to the team to win.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 11, 2024 19:43:44 GMT -5
Bottom line, the roster needs to expand. Rather than be IOC's spokeperson for why that cannot happen, why not come up with a way to make that happen? LOL
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 11, 2024 19:44:28 GMT -5
Bottom line, the roster needs to expand. Rather than be IOC's spokeperson for why that cannot happen, why not come up with a way to make that happen? LOL And how much is IOC paying you? (Relax, just kidding).
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 11, 2024 19:51:48 GMT -5
And how much is IOC paying you? (Relax, just kidding). I got it. I thought it was funny.
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Post by donut on Jan 11, 2024 21:20:10 GMT -5
How is not having 13 a restriction when #s 10 11 and 12 on the depth chart barely see the court due to the subbing restrictions? Actually it’s 8-12 that barely see the court for most teams. I'm not sure I agree with either of the above posts.
Teams winning at the Olympics have little incentive to sub out a starter, but even the winning teams use their subs. USA generally deploys at least the double sub (meaning 9 and 10 are important) and often a serving sub (11).
Teams losing at the Olympics often use their subs to switch things up. Brazil in the 2020 Gold match used all 12 players in the match.
USA has shot itself in the foot, arguably twice in the last three Olympics, by bringing the wrong twelfth player. Players 8-12 are very important.
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Post by superfan1 on Jan 11, 2024 22:24:04 GMT -5
This has everything to do with it. More player options=more ability for teams to strategize and ultimately compete to win a match. FIVB knows what the teams want. They need to do a better job of making a case to IOC to increase the roster for the teams. In the grand scheme of things, it's the IOC that has responsibility for managing the Olympic Village. Every sport can make the argument that increasing their roster size gives them better options and better ability to strategize and compete. Volleyball isn't unique in this regard, and it doesn't have a more compelling argument than any other sport. I think the biggest argument for volleyball is they added a position but the rosters never changed from 12. If they're going to add a 7th player in a lib, I feel like rosters should be expanded to 14 to adjust for that. Clearly the lib has been around long enough that it's not a passing phase so it's time to expand them.
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Post by jackson5vb on Jan 12, 2024 1:23:30 GMT -5
Does Olympics allow 2 liberos?
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jan 12, 2024 12:23:27 GMT -5
Don't support staff/coaches get the medal too? I thought they did (in which case the player would) I would say it's going to be a libero especially since most rosters get only 1 but I guess if it's a country that runs a 6-2 they could take a setter. Do any countries even run a 6-2? I cant recall seeing a 6-2 in my limited watching of national team play yeah nobody really does at the highest level
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jan 12, 2024 12:31:12 GMT -5
This has everything to do with it. More player options=more ability for teams to strategize and ultimately compete to win a match. Restrictions on roster size to 12 always mean team performance is compromised to some extent. FIVB knows what the teams want. They need to do a better job of making a case to IOC to increase the roster for the teams. How is not having 13 a restriction when #s 10 11 and 12 on the depth chart barely see the court due to the subbing restrictions? subbing restrictions? Lol
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Post by coachdavid on Jan 12, 2024 13:35:58 GMT -5
How is not having 13 a restriction when #s 10 11 and 12 on the depth chart barely see the court due to the subbing restrictions? subbing restrictions? Lol Where you only have one entry and only can go for the person who replaced you.
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