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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 26, 2024 6:35:13 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Mar 26, 2024 7:12:54 GMT -5
Seems like there is a real talent plateau at the Challenge level. From 1 to pretty deep in the Q there isnt really some giant talent gap the way you see in an Elite.
Every main draw team has lost to at least one of the teams in the Q in the last year (and most have lost to 2-5 of them).
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Post by burnabyjo on Mar 26, 2024 12:11:54 GMT -5
Seems like there is a real talent plateau at the Challenge level. From 1 to pretty deep in the Q there isnt really some giant talent gap the way you see in an Elite. Every main draw team has lost to at least one of the teams in the Q in the last year (and most have lost to 2-5 of them). And it feels like everyone there is fighting for just a couple spots to get into the top 17 for Olympic ranking. Lots of fun
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Post by stephenasinjin on Mar 26, 2024 13:14:58 GMT -5
Seems like there is a real talent plateau at the Challenge level. From 1 to pretty deep in the Q there isnt really some giant talent gap the way you see in an Elite. Every main draw team has lost to at least one of the teams in the Q in the last year (and most have lost to 2-5 of them). I don’t think this is anything new. Think about the old 4 star 32 team draws how many different teams semi-regularly took 9ths or 17ths.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 26, 2024 15:45:54 GMT -5
Seems like there is a real talent plateau at the Challenge level. From 1 to pretty deep in the Q there isnt really some giant talent gap the way you see in an Elite. Every main draw team has lost to at least one of the teams in the Q in the last year (and most have lost to 2-5 of them). And it feels like everyone there is fighting for just a couple spots to get into the top 17 for Olympic ranking. Lots of fun If you care about who finishes 17th at the Olympics. I prefer previous years when early season Challenges had 4-5 good Elite teams in each one, at least
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Post by beachcoach on Mar 26, 2024 16:05:47 GMT -5
And it feels like everyone there is fighting for just a couple spots to get into the top 17 for Olympic ranking. Lots of fun If you care about who finishes 17th at the Olympics. I prefer previous years when early season Challenges had 4-5 good Elite teams in each one, at least I really do care who gets there. The rewards in the sport are small we know that. For most players from most countries it’s because they fell in love with playing the game they want to do it more than anything else. Making the Olympics is part of that experience for these guys playing BPT. Sure some might not have those lofty goals and travel experience a fun lifestyle are a large part. But getting to the games is a feat in itself. There is talk about the worst place finish is 4th at an Olympics but in these races for the Olympics finishing 18th with no serious CC place available is worse. I reckon.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 26, 2024 16:18:36 GMT -5
If you care about who finishes 17th at the Olympics. I prefer previous years when early season Challenges had 4-5 good Elite teams in each one, at least I really do care who gets there. The rewards in the sport are small we know that. For most players from most countries it’s because they fell in love with playing the game they want to do it more than anything else. Making the Olympics is part of that experience for these guys playing BPT. Sure some might not have those lofty goals and travel experience a fun lifestyle are a large part. But getting to the games is a feat in itself. There is talk about the worst place finish is 4th at an Olympics but in these races for the Olympics finishing 18th with no serious CC place available is worse. I reckon. Sure, plenty of reason for many of these teams to care about this, and I understand why a lot of fans do as well. For me it just holds no interest and I'd rather see 1 or 2 more Elites added to the schedule, even if it meant cancelling every Challenge.
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Post by beachcoach on Mar 26, 2024 16:21:46 GMT -5
I really do care who gets there. The rewards in the sport are small we know that. For most players from most countries it’s because they fell in love with playing the game they want to do it more than anything else. Making the Olympics is part of that experience for these guys playing BPT. Sure some might not have those lofty goals and travel experience a fun lifestyle are a large part. But getting to the games is a feat in itself. There is talk about the worst place finish is 4th at an Olympics but in these races for the Olympics finishing 18th with no serious CC place available is worse. I reckon. Sure, plenty of reason for many of these teams to care about this, and I understand why a lot of fans do as well. For me it just holds no interest and I'd rather see 1 or 2 more Elites added to the schedule, even if it meant cancelling every Challenge. I would agree just add more in don’t cancel anything. and I do miss the fact we aren’t seeing as much of the highest ranked teams.
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Post by burnabyjo on Mar 27, 2024 14:47:09 GMT -5
Why would Lyneel/Bassereau get a wild card for main draw? There are plenty of very accomplished Brazilian teams their level who could use that. Arthur/Adrielson being one of them. Even if there are two WC spots and there was a rule for only one being Brazilian, why Lyneel/Bassereau lol
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Post by burnabyjo on Mar 27, 2024 14:50:52 GMT -5
They sure used their wild card well at the world champs haha. When they could've given it instead to icons of the sport Samoilovs/Smedins who actually had their last decent result in Tlaxcala the year before.
10/6-15 Tlaxcala, Mexico Remi Bassereau 38 37 $1,700.00 80 PK: l. Michal Bryl / Bartosz Losiak (11) 18-21, 14-21 (0:42) PK: l. Esteban Grimalt / Marco Grimalt (14) 20-22, 13-21 (0:35) PK: l. Nicolas Capogrosso / Tomas Capogrosso (35) 21-23, 17-21 (0:37)
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Post by bvblove on Mar 27, 2024 17:42:23 GMT -5
My question would be, how many more wild cards do Lyneel/Bassereau need to prove themselves? This is the 4th or 5th one since the qualification period started and rest of players (especially those sent to the brutal qualifiers) must be thinking why are they being favoured soo much to the point where the competition is adulterated? Seems way too political…
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Post by ajm on Mar 27, 2024 18:04:48 GMT -5
My question would be, how many more wild cards do Lyneel/Bassereau need to prove themselves? This is the 4th or 5th one since the qualification period started and rest of players (especially those sent to the brutal qualifiers) must be thinking why are they being favoured soo much to the point where the competition is adulterated? Seems way too political… Seems pretty obvious that they are getting these wild cards because their country is hosting the Olympics. But it's not clear that the FIVB is following its own guidelines here: "In principle, an athlete can receive a maximum of 2 Wild Cards during the Olympic Qualification period, irrespective if for the Main Draw or the Qualification Tournament. During the Olympic Qualification period, the FIVB does its utmost not to allocate Wild Cards to teams that will benefit from this to qualify for the Olympic Games to create a fair condition for teams with potential to qualify to the Olympic Games through the Volleyball World Beach Pro Tour. Should any additional Wild Cards be requested for an athlete who already received 2 Wild Cards, the FIVB then reserves the right to further evaluate this demand based on promotional purposes and to decide accordingly. Such quota of 2 Wild Cards per Olympic Qualification period, doesn’t count any eventual Wild Card as host country team."
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Post by larabeach on Mar 27, 2024 18:31:07 GMT -5
My question would be, how many more wild cards do Lyneel/Bassereau need to prove themselves? This is the 4th or 5th one since the qualification period started and rest of players (especially those sent to the brutal qualifiers) must be thinking why are they being favoured soo much to the point where the competition is adulterated? Seems way too political… Seems pretty obvious that they are getting these wild cards because their country is hosting the Olympics. But it's not clear that the FIVB is following its own guidelines here: "In principle, an athlete can receive a maximum of 2 Wild Cards during the Olympic Qualification period, irrespective if for the Main Draw or the Qualification Tournament. During the Olympic Qualification period, the FIVB does its utmost not to allocate Wild Cards to teams that will benefit from this to qualify for the Olympic Games to create a fair condition for teams with potential to qualify to the Olympic Games through the Volleyball World Beach Pro Tour. Should any additional Wild Cards be requested for an athlete who already received 2 Wild Cards, the FIVB then reserves the right to further evaluate this demand based on promotional purposes and to decide accordingly. Such quota of 2 Wild Cards per Olympic Qualification period, doesn’t count any eventual Wild Card as host country team." Maybe the FIVB thinks that the French team is truly out of the race of Olympic qualification? So giving them a wikd card ensures that nobody who could acutally benefit from it, gets it.
But yes, the wildcard guidelines are basically "Those are our rules unless we decice it's convenient to break them".
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Post by bvblove on Mar 27, 2024 18:58:56 GMT -5
If I were Stankevicius/Knasas, I’d be fuming! Or the other French teams battling for qualification without the extra ‘support’..,
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 27, 2024 19:28:15 GMT -5
Why would Lyneel/Bassereau get a wild card for main draw? There are plenty of very accomplished Brazilian teams their level who could use that. Arthur/Adrielson being one of them. Even if there are two WC spots and there was a rule for only one being Brazilian, why Lyneel/Bassereau lol Guarantee you that someone in either Lyneeel or Bassereau's family has political pull. Or a ton of money, or both. But that's the way the world turns. Vanity, vanity, all is vanity. If my Dad could buy of pull my way into an Olympic WC spot, I wouldn't turn the other way, would you?
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