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Post by blackmambabeto on Mar 29, 2024 17:21:42 GMT -5
wow, the Cubans blow the comeback in the first set with a big miss at the end of the set
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 29, 2024 17:27:29 GMT -5
Looks like we're going to get a full six for six forfeits. CUB vs UKR has been moved to Center Court, which was supposed to be Grimalts vs Ermacora/Waller. And over on Court Two, Aravena/Droguett were warming up but Krattiger/Breer never showed up. So split along gender lines... sorry, I mean self identifying lines, or whatever it is called these days.
So my prediction of 4 out of 6 forfeits on the men's side was conservative, but I lost big on the women who had no forfetits... that I am aware of.
I wonder why the women played out all their matches?
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Post by acrossthepond on Mar 29, 2024 17:28:27 GMT -5
Reznik might be the slowest player with the worst footwork and the worst technique ever on World Tour level.
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Post by acrossthepond on Mar 29, 2024 17:30:19 GMT -5
Looks like we're going to get a full six for six forfeits. CUB vs UKR has been moved to Center Court, which was supposed to be Grimalts vs Ermacora/Waller. And over on Court Two, Aravena/Droguett were warming up but Krattiger/Breer never showed up. So split along gender lines... sorry, I mean self identifying lines, or whatever it is called these days.
So my prediction of 4 out of 6 forfeits on the men's side was conservative, but I lost big on the women who had no forfetits... that I am aware of.
I wonder why the women played out all their matches?
Decency?
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Post by ajm on Mar 29, 2024 17:42:01 GMT -5
6 out of 6 forfeits! disgraceful and embarrassing for the sport. these are teams trying to qualify for the Olympics… all these long flights/travel to not play
but taking this action might be their idea of getting optimal results in their head, so kinda hard to blame them but I get it
there must be changes after this quad/yearYou would wait until next year to make changes? Why?
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Post by larabeach on Mar 29, 2024 18:17:28 GMT -5
Easy quick fix to these challenger forfeiting. Any team that forfeits in pool play and still manages to advance MUST play the lucky loser round. I bet you any fake "injury" would be gone, and true minor injuries get, at least, some penalty.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 29, 2024 18:32:42 GMT -5
all these long flights/travel to not play
but taking this action might be their idea of getting optimal results in their head, so kinda hard to blame them but I get it
there must be changes after this quad/year You would wait until next year to make changes? Why? agree, why wait? the rule should be forfeit = out of the tournament. quite simple.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 29, 2024 18:37:19 GMT -5
anyway, back to the play. Treo losing at the moment to BRA1. As one would expect. There was no way the 7th ranked team in the world was going to get eliminated in a Challenge Pool.
For the second tournament in a row, USA4 and USA3 get further than USA2. But for Treo, the shame wasn't losing to BRA1 to go home, it was losing to whoever TF it was that put them in that bent over position.
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Post by trjnc on Mar 29, 2024 19:17:41 GMT -5
You would wait until next year to make changes? Why? agree, why wait? the rule should be forfeit = out of the tournament. quite simple. I'm confused about all of the animosity toward teams who are skipping meaningless matches in order to enhance their chances to finish higher. Perhaps the anger should be directed at whoever came up with such a stupid format that creates meaningless matches. The teams should not be punished for being smart. What if there was a serious injury during a meaningless match that took a team out of competing in the Olympics? Would we then be talking about how stupid that team was for playing in a meaningless match? It can't be that difficult for the FIVB, or whoever makes the tournament format, to make the pool matches meaningful. The AVP may have issues, but there are no meaningless matches in their tournaments.
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Post by tamz on Mar 29, 2024 19:30:24 GMT -5
anyway, back to the play. Treo losing at the moment to BRA1. As one would expect. There was no way the 7th ranked team in the world was going to get eliminated in a Challenge Pool.
For the second tournament in a row, USA4 and USA3 get further than USA2. But for Treo, the shame wasn't losing to BRA1 to go home, it was losing to whoever TF it was that put them in that bent over position.
Who put them in that position?
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 29, 2024 19:37:42 GMT -5
anyway, back to the play. Treo losing at the moment to BRA1. As one would expect. There was no way the 7th ranked team in the world was going to get eliminated in a Challenge Pool.
For the second tournament in a row, USA4 and USA3 get further than USA2. But for Treo, the shame wasn't losing to BRA1 to go home, it was losing to whoever TF it was that put them in that bent over position.
Who put them in that position? that's my point. A team I was hardly even familiar with, that is not even in the Olympic berth race. Were you familiar with Aravena / Droguett? What are they ranked, even Top 35 in the world? I've never seen one match with them, and I watch most matches. But, I'll bet there is no way Treo would ever have imagined that the loser's game in their Pool would be v. BRA1.
*edit* actually I just looked it up. CHI2's Top 9 points sum to 3200... that is 46th in the world.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 29, 2024 19:46:07 GMT -5
agree, why wait? the rule should be forfeit = out of the tournament. quite simple. I'm confused about all of the animosity toward teams who are skipping meaningless matches in order to enhance their chances to finish higher. Perhaps the anger should be directed at whoever came up with such a stupid format that creates meaningless matches. The teams should not be punished for being smart. What if there was a serious injury during a meaningless match that took a team out of competing in the Olympics? Would we then be talking about how stupid that team was for playing in a meaningless match? It can't be that difficult for the FIVB, or whoever makes the tournament format, to make the pool matches meaningful. The AVP may have issues, but there are no meaningless matches in their tournaments. I don't think it is animosity toward the teams. They are doing what they are rewarded for doing. It is the system we find absurd. I personallly find it annoying that I tune in to watch a scheduled volleyball match, as a fan, and both teams decide not to show up. The sport is bigger than who wins and who loses.
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 29, 2024 19:50:15 GMT -5
I'm confused about all of the animosity toward teams who are skipping meaningless matches in order to enhance their chances to finish higher. Perhaps the anger should be directed at whoever came up with such a stupid format that creates meaningless matches. The teams should not be punished for being smart. What if there was a serious injury during a meaningless match that took a team out of competing in the Olympics? Would we then be talking about how stupid that team was for playing in a meaningless match? It can't be that difficult for the FIVB, or whoever makes the tournament format, to make the pool matches meaningful. The AVP may have issues, but there are no meaningless matches in their tournaments. I don't think it is animosity toward the teams. They are doing what they are rewarded for doing. It is the system we find absurd. I feel a little animosity toward the teams too. Sure they might get hurt but they might get hurt in training too-look at Anders. I get that it’s within the rules, which should certainly be changed, but it’s also a little on the players to help grow the game too. If I had traveled to watch this tournament I’d be really upset as a fan. As it is, I get upset just turning on the tv and having a match I was looking forward to canceled. I don’t think the players get a pass just because it’s a flawed system.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 29, 2024 19:57:13 GMT -5
agree, why wait? the rule should be forfeit = out of the tournament. quite simple. I'm confused about all of the animosity toward teams who are skipping meaningless matches in order to enhance their chances to finish higher. Perhaps the anger should be directed at whoever came up with such a stupid format that creates meaningless matches. The teams should not be punished for being smart. What if there was a serious injury during a meaningless match that took a team out of competing in the Olympics? Would we then be talking about how stupid that team was for playing in a meaningless match? It can't be that difficult for the FIVB, or whoever makes the tournament format, to make the pool matches meaningful. The AVP may have issues, but there are no meaningless matches in their tournaments. BTW, I hadn't seen your name a lot on this Beach Board, so I took a look at your prior posts. I now like you forever. You agreed with me back in 2022 that Sealy needed to go asap. So at least I know you have good sense.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 29, 2024 19:59:23 GMT -5
They've just posted the Men's matches. Tri/Chaim have the great privilege of getting knocked out by BRA1 just as Treo did.
Mudinger with a great opportunity here. Should they prevail in their Rd. of 16 match vs. the wooly Mol, they pick up 600 points to replace their low counter of 460, so their gap to Treo reduces from 280 points to 140 points for finishing 5th. If they do prevail, they get the winner of the game between the winner of the play-in game, probably CUB, vs. BRA (6?). Man Brazil is so deep with talent on both men's and women's sides.
At this point it probably really will be over for Tri/Chaim. There are only 3 Challenge events left after Saquarema, and I don't think they'll be able to get into E16 Qualis... maybe they can, but it won't really matter if they continue playing like this. If they lose to BRA1 and finish 17th in Saquarema, their Entry Points will be 1360 for the Elite 16 first week of May in Brasilia. 1360 might not be enough to get into Qualis. The Entry Point cutoff in Doha was 1400.
(edit*** the current entry point threshhold to get into Qualis in Mexico E16 is 1800. Tri/Chaim are on the Wait List for Mexico E16 even with their current 1680 Entry Points. Their new Entry Points wil lbe 1360 unless they get a miracle win over BRA1 in about three hours from this writing)
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