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Post by bvbllr on Mar 29, 2024 20:07:49 GMT -5
Not a fan of forfeits but neither do I enjoy watching meaningless games. I caught myself switching courts and ultimately turning off when only winner pool play matches on the women’s side were on.
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Post by ajm on Mar 29, 2024 20:26:13 GMT -5
Easy quick fix to these challenger forfeiting. Any team that forfeits in pool play and still manages to advance MUST play the lucky loser round. I bet you any fake "injury" would be gone, and true minor injuries get, at least, some penalty. Go back and watch the first set of Trevor/Theo vs the Taylors at Espinho last July. Is that the kind of match you want to see instead of a forfeit? There are seven more Challengers scheduled this year. The problem is only going to get worse if the FIVB does nothing.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 29, 2024 20:27:04 GMT -5
Not a fan of forfeits but neither do I enjoy watching meaningless games. I caught myself switching courts and ultimately turning off when only winner pool play matches on the women’s side were on. It depends on what you attribute meaning to. I attribute meaning to a well played game, no matter who the winner or loser was. Just a different perspective.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 29, 2024 20:28:40 GMT -5
Easy quick fix to these challenger forfeiting. Any team that forfeits in pool play and still manages to advance MUST play the lucky loser round. I bet you any fake "injury" would be gone, and true minor injuries get, at least, some penalty. There are seven more Challengers scheduled this year. At first I thought you were way off, but then I remembered I'm only focusing right now on the Challenger events that will count toward Paris qualification... and that number is 3 after this weekend.
I don't mind watching players playing meaningless Pool matches and working on serving, or a different kind of set, or whatever. No different than watching players scrimmage together.
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Post by ajm on Mar 29, 2024 20:35:49 GMT -5
There are seven more Challengers scheduled this year. At first I thought you were way off, but then I remembered I'm only focusing right now on the Challenger events that will count toward Paris qualification... and that number is 3 after this weekend.
I don't mind watching players playing meaningless Pool matches and working on serving, or a different kind of set, or whatever. No different than watching players scrimmage together.
Watching an actual scrimmage would be infinitely better than that crap we saw in Espinho.
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Post by VT Karen on Mar 29, 2024 20:51:24 GMT -5
Treo in the crapper! I want them to clinch the 2nd spot so bad but Chase/Miles seem to be peaking at the right time.
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Post by blackmambabeto on Mar 29, 2024 22:07:17 GMT -5
You would wait until next year to make changes? Why? agree, why wait? the rule should be forfeit = out of the tournament. quite simple. Can they change it so late into the quad? I wouldn’t want to wait but the system is in motion
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Post by ajm on Mar 29, 2024 22:28:37 GMT -5
agree, why wait? the rule should be forfeit = out of the tournament. quite simple. Can they change it so late into the quad? I wouldn’t want to wait but the system is in motion The FIVB can do whatever it wants. What are the players gonna do, go on strike?
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Post by robvolei on Mar 30, 2024 0:14:05 GMT -5
They've just posted the Men's matches. Tri/Chaim have the great privilege of getting knocked out by BRA1 just as Treo did.
Mudinger with a great opportunity here. Should they prevail in their Rd. of 16 match vs. the wooly Mol, they pick up 600 points to replace their low counter of 460, so their gap to Treo reduces from 280 points to 140 points for finishing 5th. If they do prevail, they get the winner of the game between the winner of the play-in game, probably CUB, vs. BRA (6?). Man Brazil is so deep with talent on both men's and women's sides.
At this point it probably really will be over for Tri/Chaim. There are only 3 Challenge events left after Saquarema, and I don't think they'll be able to get into E16 Qualis... maybe they can, but it won't really matter if they continue playing like this. If they lose to BRA1 and finish 17th in Saquarema, their Entry Points will be 1360 for the Elite 16 first week of May in Brasilia. 1360 might not be enough to get into Qualis. The Entry Point cutoff in Doha was 1400.
If Chase/Miles win Gold in Saquarema, would they become USA2?
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Post by guest2 on Mar 30, 2024 0:56:10 GMT -5
I'm confused about all of the animosity toward teams who are skipping meaningless matches in order to enhance their chances to finish higher. Perhaps the anger should be directed at whoever came up with such a stupid format that creates meaningless matches. The teams should not be punished for being smart. What if there was a serious injury during a meaningless match that took a team out of competing in the Olympics? Would we then be talking about how stupid that team was for playing in a meaningless match? It can't be that difficult for the FIVB, or whoever makes the tournament format, to make the pool matches meaningful. The AVP may have issues, but there are no meaningless matches in their tournaments. I don't think it is animosity toward the teams. They are doing what they are rewarded for doing. It is the system we find absurd. I personallly find it annoying that I tune in to watch a scheduled volleyball match, as a fan, and both teams decide not to show up. The sport is bigger than who wins and who loses. No there is definitely animosity towards the teams, at least from me. They depend on me and others like me consuming this product for their income. If they cant be bothered to help grow the game then f them.
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Post by robvolei on Mar 30, 2024 1:44:07 GMT -5
I don't think it is animosity toward the teams. They are doing what they are rewarded for doing. It is the system we find absurd. I personallly find it annoying that I tune in to watch a scheduled volleyball match, as a fan, and both teams decide not to show up. The sport is bigger than who wins and who loses. No there is definitely animosity towards the teams, at least from me. They depend on me and others like me consuming this product for their income. If they cant be bothered to help grow the game then f them. Tbf, most of them aren't trying to grow the game and they don't talk about growing the game. The IBVPA (players assoc.) is defunct and who knows what they even accomplished in their ~4 years. There's still a convicted ***** ****** on the tour. Federations screw over their own players. Players don't put out their own news and are silent on partner changes. Beach Volleyball is one of the most fun sports to play and watch but it's also full of degeneracy at the pro level.
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Post by houdini on Mar 30, 2024 1:55:37 GMT -5
Tbf, most of them aren't trying to grow the game and they don't talk about growing the game. The IBVPA (players assoc.) is defunct and who knows what they even accomplished in their ~4 years. Federations screw over their own players. There still is a Players association. Anouk Verge-Depre has been on it for several years. The athletes are working on expanding the Elite competitions and on a better tour. Unfortunately, they have little leverage with the FIVB.
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Post by robvolei on Mar 30, 2024 2:07:08 GMT -5
Tbf, most of them aren't trying to grow the game and they don't talk about growing the game. The IBVPA (players assoc.) is defunct and who knows what they even accomplished in their ~4 years. Federations screw over their own players. There still is a Players association. Anouk Verge-Depre has been on it for several years. The athletes are working on expanding the Elite competitions and on a better tour. Unfortunately, they have little leverage with the FIVB. Isn't that the IBVPA? She used to have info about IBVPA in her instagram bio but removed it ages ago. Something like, "Founder of IBVPA" with a link to the website. All IBVPA links and social media have no updates since 2022. ibvpa.org/news/"Momentan sind noch keine News vorhanden." (There is currently no news available).
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Post by bvblove on Mar 30, 2024 3:14:33 GMT -5
The IBVPA was never recognised by FIVB and players were ‘encouraged’ (for lack of a better word) to raise their concerns and requests via the Athletes Commission, which has all athletes across disciplines. Beach volleyball players never felt represented within this commission because of numbers (vs indoor volleyball), and because they have specific needs/requests that were difficult to put across the priorities list. Let’s not forget that their key competition was sold to a corporation who is very clear about what they want/need to do (hint: it is not to grow the game or look after the athletes).
PS: players need/demand better compensation but not showing up for games and disappointing the fans who pay to watch them (in person or streaming) is not going to help them. I find it selfish and unprofessional, even if allowed by the regulations
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Post by larabeach on Mar 30, 2024 4:26:57 GMT -5
Easy quick fix to these challenger forfeiting. Any team that forfeits in pool play and still manages to advance MUST play the lucky loser round. I bet you any fake "injury" would be gone, and true minor injuries get, at least, some penalty. Go back and watch the first set of Trevor/Theo vs the Taylors at Espinho last July. Is that the kind of match you want to see instead of a forfeit? There are seven more Challengers scheduled this year. The problem is only going to get worse if the FIVB does nothing. The FIVB has rules against that kind of disgrace, actually. They only need to enforce them. But thinking about it, I wonder if they warned the athletes back them and that gave rise to the wave of forfeiting.
And I said quick easy fix, not definitive solution. That would be a change in format, as others have mentioned. Or a forfeit means forfeiting the tournament. Major changes to the format of events (that are qualifying events) in the middle of Olympic qualification are problematic. On the other hand, forfeitng the tournament doesn't really solve the Treo vs Taylors scenario and I feel is too punishing to true minor injuries (others may think otherwise).
So until the summer, when a better solution can be engenieered, I say, make the forfeiters play lucky losers rounds. If someone tries to game the system playing a farce of a game, apply the rules the FIVB has against that and punish them as they deserve.
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