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Post by fritzer5849 on Oct 9, 2005 14:12:04 GMT -5
My Top 15 Prediction(what I think it should be): 1. Nebraska 2. Washington(could easily be #1 as well) 3. Penn State 4. Stanford 5. Florida 6. Mizzou 7. Minnesota 8. Louisville 9. California 10. Notre Dame 11. Wisconsin 12. Santa Clara 13. Arizona 14. Brigham Young 15. Hawaii
Nebraska and Washington are clearly 1-2 right now. If Washington beat Cal in 3, I would have put them at #1. Stanford could hold the #3 ranking because they lost to Washington, but Penn State smoked Wisconsin, so I'd give the #3 ranking in PSU. I personally think that Minnesota should be ranked 5th, their 2 losses were both 5 games, and to top notch competition, but Florida has been consistent this year, and they have only 1 loss. Mizzou's ranking should either stay the same or go up after putting up a big fight against Nebraska. Minnesota at 7 isn't bad, I think it could be higher. Louisville is still undefeated, but they haven't beaten a very talented team, so I think that Mizzour and Nebraska should be higher than Louisville. Cal put up a big fight against Washington which was impressive, so their ranking should climb. Notre Dame won 2 again, so they shouldn't drop. Wisconsin lost badly, but it was to PSU, and they also crushed Ohio State this weekend, so I don't think they should drop lower than 11th. They are still a 2 loss team. Santa Clara is a 1 loss team, and they have beaten Arizona so they should be higher than the Wildcats, who are still good enough to be #13. BYU is undefeated, and have a couple quality wins so I think they should be at #14. Hawaii is now winning games, I personally thought they should have dropped further than 11th after losing to LMU, but I think their ranking will climb and they'll eventually be a top ten team. Right now, I don't think they deserve to be ahead of BYU, Arizona, Wisconsin or Santa Clara, so that is why I have them at 15.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2005 14:20:39 GMT -5
Well, I predict that since Hawaii won twice they will move up to 10, Wisconsin lost so they will drop to 11.
But... that is not the most exciting part. I then get to sit back and watch the fireworks as Bik and Bomber get into another catfight ;D Woo Hoo!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2005 14:22:19 GMT -5
What it probably will be (AVCA):
1--Nebraska 2--Washington 3--PSU 4--Stanford 5--Florida 6--Louisville 7--Minnesota 8--Missouri 9--Wisconsin 10--Notre Dame 11--Hawaii 12--Arizona 13--Santa Clara 14--Cal 15--San Diego 16--BYU 17--USC 18--Texas 19--KSU 20--Ohio State (gawd) 21--UCLA 22--Purdue 23--TAMU 24--Ohio 25--St Marys
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 9, 2005 14:23:16 GMT -5
barryi, part of a ranking system is to help determine which team can beat another team.
Honestly, you think Louisville, California, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Santa Clara, Arizona and Brigham Young will beat Hawaii right now?
Did you see the score vs. Nevada (which beat Cal) last night?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2005 14:24:12 GMT -5
Wisconsin won't drop 3 spots, but they could fall 2.
Teams should not be rewarded for playing in mediocre conferences. Don't drop them, but don't move them up either. At least Notre Dame and Louisville will play each other.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 9, 2005 14:24:52 GMT -5
Wisconsin won't drop 3 spots, but they could fall 2. Teams should not be rewarded for playing in mediocre conferences. Don't drop them, but don't move them up either. At least Notre Dame and Louisville will play each other. What the?! Really?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2005 14:26:19 GMT -5
barryi, part of a ranking system is to help determine which team can beat another team. Honestly, you think Louisville, California, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Santa Clara, Arizona and Brigham Young will beat Hawaii right now? Did you see the score vs. Nevada (which beat Cal) last night? You aren't serious, right? Tell me you're not serious. (Although I do think Hawaii can play with all those teams, and probably beat most. But they aren't a lock to beat any of them away or on a neutral court.)
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 9, 2005 14:29:41 GMT -5
besides Wisconsin, who really is a solid team, i would say they are a lock to beat these teams.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 9, 2005 14:29:47 GMT -5
barryi, part of a ranking system is to help determine which team can beat another team. You know darn well that has nothing to do with the AVCA poll, so quit acting like it does.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 9, 2005 14:31:07 GMT -5
barryi, part of a ranking system is to help determine which team can beat another team. You know darn well that has nothing to do with the AVCA poll, so quit acting like it does. Yeah... but he through out the AVCA prediction when he said "What I think it should be"
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Post by pineapple on Oct 9, 2005 14:31:48 GMT -5
Ruffage, IB is right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2005 14:34:51 GMT -5
He may be. But if he is, it's based solely on subjectivity. It has no base given the results we've seen so far this year.
And, I repeat, he might be right. There's nothing wrong with subjectivity as long as the person does not get carried away.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 9, 2005 14:37:35 GMT -5
He may be. But if he is, it's based solely on subjectivity. It has no base given the results we've seen so far this year. And, I repeat, he might be right. There's nothing wrong with subjectivity as long as the person does not get carried away. It's subjective. Just put together on strings of results from throughout the year that have accumulated to a nearly flawless performance and nearly flawless team play, such as we DID see last night. Go BOWS!!
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Post by fritzer5849 on Oct 9, 2005 14:42:12 GMT -5
barryi, part of a ranking system is to help determine which team can beat another team. Honestly, you think Louisville, California, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Santa Clara, Arizona and Brigham Young will beat Hawaii right now? Did you see the score vs. Nevada (which beat Cal) last night? I think Wisconsin could, same with Cal, and Santa Clara. Even though Hawaii pounded Nevada, Washington swept UH 2x, and struggled to beat Cal in a tough 5 game match. Wisconsin should not drop further than Hawaii, UW has swept UCLA(UH won in 4), beaten Minnesota, Purdue and Ohio State. Their 2 losses are to Mizzou who took a game off of Nebraska, and Penn State who was 4th in the country. At some point your record has to be a factor. Hawaii has played a brutal schedule, but they haven't beaten any top notch teams, and they have lost to LMU, and struggled at New Mexico State. The only reason why they could/should be ranked higher than UW is comparing their PSU matches. Hawaii got swept and lost in 5, UW was swept. Right now, UW is the better team between the 2, they have a better record and more quality wins.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 9, 2005 14:46:35 GMT -5
Barry, the UCLA team that Hawaii played was NOT the same team that Wisconsin played. Let's throw that out the window, because it's like apples and oranges.
The first 3 weeks of the season UH, was undermanned, and not cohesive as a team. Yet, they nearly upended PSU and they put together strings of points against UW that were impressive and had UW scrambling, until UH's lack of mental toughness showed its-early-ugly-but-now-decapitated-head.
So, you should be moving Hawaii up, just based on your last remarks. Only doubting three of the 7 teams, Hawaii should move back up to 11. Where the AVCA poll had them.
Record shouldn't be an issue when they are above .500 (the NCAA qualifying mark).
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