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Post by fromonhigh on Apr 10, 2024 11:35:44 GMT -5
I echo the comments about Cheryl Miller being on a par with Caitlin in terms of impact and growing the sport of women's basketball. The key to both women's successes was their ability to project their personality effectively via the media. Here is a terrific article on Cheryl from the LA Times about her effect on the game. One could easily replace Cheryl's name for Caitlin's and the article would be on target. www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-11-27-sp-13395-story.htmlAs for the next big player in volleyball I haven't seen one yet. Harper Murray might have been a candidate until her recent arrest. Chloe Chicoine could be a candidate, but she plays in a small tv market. The real issue is that volleyball- though growing- is still a niche sport with little national coverage.
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Post by staticb on Apr 10, 2024 12:22:54 GMT -5
As for the next big player in volleyball I haven't seen one yet. Harper Murray might have been a candidate until her recent arrest. Chloe Chicoine could be a candidate, but she plays in a small tv market. The real issue is that volleyball- though growing- is still a niche sport with little national coverage. None of the players mentioned are really once in a generation players like Caitlyn was. All our amazing players but none of them are performing at rates we've never seen before. (Or on pace to break records etc) In recent history, Plummer or Carlini was probably the closest. But the reason Clark was so popular was that she did things no one had seen before. It's super rare for a reason.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 10, 2024 12:39:07 GMT -5
As for the next big player in volleyball I haven't seen one yet. Harper Murray might have been a candidate until her recent arrest. Chloe Chicoine could be a candidate, but she plays in a small tv market. The real issue is that volleyball- though growing- is still a niche sport with little national coverage. None of the players mentioned are really once in a generation players like Caitlyn was. All our amazing players but none of them are performing at rates we've never seen before. (Or on pace to break records etc) In recent history, Plummer or Carlini was probably the closest. But the reason Clark was so popular was that she did things no one had seen before. It's super rare for a reason. Again, it's not just about how great they are as a player. There have been better players than Clark. But there's never been anyone in recent memory (I'll take other posters at their word about Cheryl Miller, as I'm too young to remember that) that was nearly as popular as she is. Respectfully, no one outside of volleyball fans really cares about Plummer or Carlini or anyone else in recent memory. It will be interesting to see how well LOVB capitalizes on the Olympics this summer. If Team USA repeats or at least makes a deep run, it's possible that the star of that tournament could become a big deal. Edit: Also, Jordan Thompson did break records in recent years for kills per set in the 25-point rally scoring era.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 10, 2024 12:55:09 GMT -5
In terms of career. Played at a non-perineal power. Perineal powers would drive some type of viewership, but it would taint the game.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Apr 10, 2024 13:04:56 GMT -5
In terms of career. Played at a non-perineal power. Perineal powers would drive some type of viewership, but it would taint the game. LMFAO. Tip the the hat, sir. I was wondering when someone would say something.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 10, 2024 13:47:12 GMT -5
Clark is a once in a lifetime player. I just don’t think we have the equivalent of that. Have we ever had the equivalent of that? I don’t think so.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 10, 2024 14:14:39 GMT -5
Flo Hyman
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Post by nellynel on Apr 10, 2024 14:25:15 GMT -5
Clark is a once in a lifetime player. I just don’t think we have the equivalent of that. Have we ever had the equivalent of that? I don’t think so. What in your opinion makes her a once in a lifetime player?
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Post by haterade on Apr 10, 2024 14:47:41 GMT -5
Clark is a once in a lifetime player. I just don’t think we have the equivalent of that. Have we ever had the equivalent of that? I don’t think so. What in your opinion makes her a once in a lifetime player? For me, it's this graph
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 10, 2024 15:05:12 GMT -5
Clark is a once in a lifetime player. I just don’t think we have the equivalent of that. Have we ever had the equivalent of that? I don’t think so. What in your opinion makes her a once in a lifetime player? Her complete domination in almost every category and the unique ability to draw so many fans to women’s basketball and actually beat the viewership of the men’s finals. That is star power.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Apr 10, 2024 15:50:47 GMT -5
For a VB player to garner the type of attention Caitlin Clark just did she would need to be on a high profile team, thinking Nebraska or Texas. Then would need to crush the kills, or assists record. Clark would shoot from the logo, would make passes like a men's BB player. Finished with 3,951 points in 4 years crushing the WBB, and MBB D1 records. I also believe she is the assist leader at 1,144. Plus cross over into other venues. Will be interesting in the next 5 to 10 years if we see more WBB players with the number 22 on their backs, and referencing Clark. Also does the style of play change. Iowa and Clark played a exciting style of BB. Really only see a OH maybe coming close to her. They would need to be a consistent double double (kills, digs) player.
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Post by haterade on Apr 10, 2024 15:55:29 GMT -5
For a VB player to garner the type of attention Caitlin Clark just did she would need to be on a high profile team, thinking Nebraska or Texas. Then would need to crush the kills, or assists record. Clark would shoot from the logo, would make passes like a men's BB player. Finished with 3,951 points in 4 years crushing the WBB, and MBB D1 records. I also believe she is the assist leader at 1,144. Plus cross over into other venues. Will be interesting in the next 5 to 10 years if we see more WBB players with the number 22 on their backs, and referencing Clark. Also does the style of play change. Iowa and Clark played a exciting style of BB. Really only see a OH maybe coming close to her. They would need to be a consistent double double (kills, digs) player. Gimme a left handed setter running the 6-2 that dished like Carlini out of the backrow and hits like Plummer in the front. Easy to find, right?
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 10, 2024 16:05:17 GMT -5
For a VB player to garner the type of attention Caitlin Clark just did she would need to be on a high profile team, thinking Nebraska or Texas. Then would need to crush the kills, or assists record. Clark would shoot from the logo, would make passes like a men's BB player. Finished with 3,951 points in 4 years crushing the WBB, and MBB D1 records. I also believe she is the assist leader at 1,144. Plus cross over into other venues. Will be interesting in the next 5 to 10 years if we see more WBB players with the number 22 on their backs, and referencing Clark. Also does the style of play change. Iowa and Clark played a exciting style of BB. Really only see a OH maybe coming close to her. They would need to be a consistent double double (kills, digs) player. It wouldn't need to be Nebraska or Texas. After all, Clark plays for Iowa, not UConn or South Carolina, and I think that adds to her popularity. And it's not just her play. There's something intangible that I don't even totally grasp because while I think she's a fun player to watch, I've never felt compelled to tune into her games with the exception of the one where she set the scoring record. But there's no denying that millions of people will watch her play.
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Post by nellynel on Apr 10, 2024 16:36:53 GMT -5
I have no problem with anyone’s opinion that Clark is one of the greatest to play at the collegiate level or even someone thinking’s she’s the best. But for perspective (senior seasons).
Clark 31.6 PPG, 8.2 APG. RPG 7.4, SPG 1.5, BPG .5, FG% 45.5, 3 point FG% 37.8%
Swoopes 28.1 PPG, 4.1 APG, 9.2 RPG, 3.4 SPG, BPG 1.5, FG% 54.6, 3 point FG% 41
APG = Assist per game RPG = Rebounds per game SPG = Steals per game BPG = Blocks per game FG = Field Goal %
Both are 6 foot.
Clark led Iowa to the NC game but didn’t score in the final 7 minutes and lost by double digits.
Swoopes led Texas Tech to a NC win and scored 47 (still a record) in doing so.
Both great players but having watched both of them Clark would have a much harder time checking Swoopes than Swoopes would Clark.
Clark has extended the 3 point range for females so there is something to that. But I don’t think she’s a player (not talking fan following) the likes we have never seen before.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 10, 2024 16:55:14 GMT -5
I have no problem with anyone’s opinion that Clark is one of the greatest to play at the collegiate level or even someone thinking’s she’s the best. But for perspective (senior seasons). Clark 31.6 PPG, 8.2 APG. RPG 7.4, SPG 1.5, BPG .5, FG% 45.5, 3 point FG% 37.8% Swoopes 28.1 PPG, 4.1 APG, 9.2 RPG, 3.4 SPG, BPG 1.5, FG% 54.6, 3 point FG% 41 APG = Assist per game RPG = Rebounds per game SPG = Steals per game BPG = Blocks per game FG = Field Goal % Both are 6 foot. Clark led Iowa to the NC game but didn’t score in the final 7 minutes and lost by double digits. Swoopes led Texas Tech to a NC win and scored 47 (still a record) in doing so. Both great players but having watched both of them Clark would have a much harder time checking Swoopes than Swoopes would Clark. Clark has extended the 3 point range for females so there is something to that. But I don’t think she’s a player (not talking fan following) the likes we have never seen before. I mean, Clark might not even be the best overall player in the country this season. Chamique Holdsclaw, who is as credible as they come, said that she thinks Bueckers is better because she's more well-rounded (i.e. she plays much better defense). I see no reason for her to say that if she didn't believe it, especially considering that she's a Tennessee alum siding with a UConn player. Clark obviously has major star power, but that's a different discussion.
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